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[edit] List of U.S. military history events

  • First paragraph:

The use of the term; 'ethnic cleansing',(a lexiconic political psuedo-euphemism), had not evolved as of that time in world history and is only used here in as a veiled attempt at revisionism and anti-American social reingineering.


  • I don't see (so I inserted) the Cuban Missile Crisis here which was an event in the Cold War where the Soviet Union placed nuclear missiles in Cuba that could get to US cities in 15 minutes. Rhe US Navy blockaded Cuba to stop delivery of additional missles. At the end of the Cold War, information came out that was not known at the time. The Russian commander in Cuba had operational control of operational nuclear artillery that would have been used had US troops invaded Cuba. AlMac|(talk) 14:44, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


  • I don't see anything related to US actions in Liberia in 2004 (2003?) related to humanitarian efforts after the latest civil war in that country. I'm no expert, so I didn't add anything, but I thought that I would mention it for someone else to do! JD79 02:15, 6 September 2005 (UTC)


  • I don't see anything related to the US forced removal of the Native Americans within the southern states to Oklahoma in 1838. (TGP) Template:205.144.218.66

WP:Be Bold folks, add the information yourself, dont be shy. If you make a mistake, someone else can correct it. In my experience, if you dont do it, no one ever will. Travb (talk) 04:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Orleans

A added a reference to the article about military involvement in the events in New Orleans after Katrina (Civil disturbances and military action in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina). It is now listed under "Miscellaneous". I know this is not the best place, but I could not find any other appropriate category.

Some left-wing commentators on the web have indicated it could be listed under "Ethnic cleansing and control" as The Siege of New Orleans [1]

What do you suggest?

-- Petri Krohn 17:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it belongs and feel that even putting it on this page is highly POV. --Habap 19:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I think it belongs in a section on the use of the National Guard in areas that are non-military, such as when Eisenhower nationalized the National Guard to make sure young black children could get an education without deadly racial harrassment. AlMac|(talk) 02:36, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I think that if we add every deployment of the National Guard for non-military reasons, this list will grow beyond usefulness. There's no entry for the deployment of troops after the Watts riots, for example. Nothing about relief efforts for other hurricanes, either. I think that Petri is pushing a POV by including it here. The comment about "ethnic cleansing" is disingenous. Almost like a politician saying "some say my opponent is a theiving, lying scoundrel, but I don't". --Habap 20:50, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
I am removing Hurricane Katrina from here, since other Hurricane-related deployments of the Army and National Guard don't appear (Hurricane Ivan, for example) and Petri's notes above indicate that it is include for highly POV reasons. --Habap 14:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Please see the discussion on Talk:List of alleged United States foreign interventions since 1945

Please see the discussion on Talk:List of alleged United States foreign interventions since 1945


Regarding:

....and a possible merge of all four....Travb 06:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Puerto Rico?

Counter guerilla operations in Puerto Rico since the 1950s? I'm no expert, but it's the first I've heard of it. And the linked article makes no mention of it. MK2 20:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Work still needing to be done in merge

[edit] Moved from newly merged page List of Military Involvements of the US

List of Military Involvements of the US has been merged into this article. Those incidents not listed need to be merged into the article.

This needs to be added to this page:

Since the beginning of the American Revolution the United States has participated in many wars, including civil wars of other countries. The United States has also seen numerous riots and rebellions in it's history. The following is a List of United States military history events.

Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad A better list of the involvements

American Revolution, 1763-1789

Shay's Rebellion, 1786-1787

Whiskey Rebellion, 1794

Quasi-War, 1798-1800; "The Forgotten War," a undeclared naval battle between the United States and the French

Fries's Rebellion or The Hot Water War, 1799

Barbary Wars, 1801-1815; Includes the War of Tripoli and Algerine War

War of 1812, 1812-1814

Creek Indian War, 1813-1814

First Seminole War, 1817-1818

Black Hawk War, 1832

Texas Revolution, 1832-1836

Second Seminole War, 1835-1842

Aroostock War, 1838-1839

Anti-Rent War, 1839-1846

Creole Case, 1841-1842

Dorr Rebellion, 1842

Philadelphia Nativist Riots, 1844

Mexican American War, 1846-1848

Wakarusa War, 1855-1860 also known as Kansas Civil War or Bleeding Kansas

Mountain Meadows Massacure, 1857

A Plea for Captain John Brown, 1859, also known as Brown's Slave Rebellion

American Civil War, 1860-1865

Battle of Little Big Horn, 1876

Anti-Chinese Riot, 1877

Nez Perce War, 1877

Controversy of 1889, 1889

Sitting Bull, 1890

Mob in Valparasico, 1891

Committee of Safety (Hawaii), 1893; also known as the Hawaiin Revolution

Miners Riot, 1894

Samoan Civil War, [[1898]

Spanish-American War, 1898

The Banana Wars, 1898-1934

Philippine-American War, 1899

Boxer Rebellion, 1900

U.S. Occupation of Vera Cruz, Mexico, 1914

World War I, 1917-1918

World War II, 1941-1945

The Cold War, 1945-1991

Korean War, 1950-1953

First Lebonese Invention, 1958

Second Indochina War, 1956-1975 Includes: Vietnam War, 1964-1973 Cambodian Civil War, [[1970]-1975 Pathet Lao, Mid 1950s-1975

Johnson Doctrine, 1965-1966, the US involvement of Dominican Republic

Iran Hostage Crisis, 1979-1980

Second Lebanese Invention, 1982-1984

Greneda Invasion, 1983

First Persian Gulf War, 1980-1988

Second Persian Gulf War, 1991

Somalia Intervention, 1992-1993

Ocupation of Haiti, 1994-present

Bosnian War, 1992-1995

The War in Afghanistan, 2001-present

Third Persian Gulf War, 2003-present

Intervention in Haiti, 2004-present

signed:Travb (talk) 01:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From other page

I moved this list from another wikipage to here, this list also needs to be incorporated into the larger list:

[edit] cleanup-merge tag

re: {{cleanup-merge}}

List_of_United_States_military_history_events#Regular_military_interventions, part of the old List of United States foreign interventions since 1945 needs to be merged into the new comprehensive list:

Signed: Travb (talk) 02:07, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1818 -- Oregon.

1818 -- Oregon. The USS Ontario dispatched from Washington, landed at the Columbia River and in August took possession of Oregon Territory. Great Britain had conceded sovereignty but Russia and Spain asserted claims to the area.

Conceded sovereignty??? In 1818? Spain had conceded claims in the area to Russia and Britain, then Russia and Spain cut separate deals with the U.S. in order to screw up the concessions they made to the British. The US did not "take possession" of the Oregon Territory; they seized a coastal fort or built one or something to assert US claims over the Columbia District aka Oregon Country, but had no impact on the existing Hudson's Bay Company adminstration of the territory, or on the powers of the reigning chiefs/nations, who were undisturbed largely until the Stephens Treaties and Cayuse and Yakima Wars. The USS Ontario's visit was an intimidation, quickly withdrawn, as I recall, and there was no way one puny ship at Astoria could control the territory all the way to the Rockies; it remained empty of Americans virtually until the dawn of the Oregon Treaty in the 1840s; the Ontario is inconsequential anyway in terms of the long-range history of the region. I'll be back to rewrite this....Skookum1 06:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

This majority of the list is from the US military. It is pro-US, choosing words which justify US empire abroad. I just merged this article from four different articles about 5 hours ago. I fear a POV war brewing, but expected it to start from the right, not the left. See the original military article I got the majority of this from. Repetitive bullshit. Four people worked on the article over four decades, the last person was a really, really, really poor writer, updating the list from 1999 to present. I majorily rewrote the original. It still has an empire justifying stink to it, but I am willing to keep that stench to avoid a protracted revert war. I suggest adding a link to the episode in 1818. Slightly modify the list and actively avoid POV terms. Just to make sure we are on the same page, the one condition I do have, which I won't budge on, is don't start deleting entries, rewriting entries for clairity in my mind, is much different than deleting entries. User:Travb
"take possession" is neutral--maybe to neutral for your taste, but much better than "indimidation". Please change it, but be actively aware of the competing ideas here.
"take possession" is COMPLETELY UNFACTUAL. Read your history. Competing ideas? Look, TravB, I appreciate your efforts to keep things from flying out of control; but obviously, given what I can see in the list, there's no control over facts at all. "Take possession"? Read your history, and tell anyone who bitches or reverts to do the same. The US rattled its sabre in 1818 based on the treaties finaglings with Spain and Russia, but the upshot was a joint administration of the region (Oregon Country to the US, Columbia District to the Empire/HBC) until 1846, although the US never installed an administration until 1848. 1848, not 1818, and "taking possession" didn't happen until Gov. Stephens was appointed to the territory from 1846 on. Skookum1 16:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I just want to avoid a revert war. I have a feeling this page was built and maintained by pro-military people by its tone. I am new here too--today was my first edit here. Despite this, together, I think we can all make this page the very best and most comprehensive encycopedic article ever written anywhere on List of United States military history events (It already is). Again, I want to avoid a revert war, and focus my energies on building an encyclopedia, not fighting about the meaning of one entry or another. I hope you understand. I welcome your edits, be bold, but be sensitive too. Thats all I ask. Travb (talk) 07:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
This page is also monitored by people on the Wikipedia:Wikiproject Indigenous peoples of North America although I agree with you it appears to have been started by military buffs. That's fine, so long as they don't overblow their history or MAKE STUFF UP. Which is what that 1818 nonsense is about. I gather the actual sabre-rattling over the Oregon boundary in the 1840s, the San Juans war (Pig War), and the Alaska Boundary Dispute may not count because there were no actual troop deployments, just the threat of war; er, there's probably another list of US irredentisms somewhere; any one of the three incidents I just mentioned could overnight have flared to a major war, however; the US similarly could have (but didn't) intervene in the Riel Rebellions. But back to the point: there's a number of American things to do with Canada that aren't here; mostly War of 1812 stuff, but.....Skookum1 16:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Border Commission troops in the Pacific Northwest

Hmm; something just crossed my mind as I re-read this....thinking of those dot-dot-dots at the end, y'see. Because some of it has to do with American adventurists in a non-governmental way. Such is already the case with the 1830s filibuster in Nicaragua and other "proxy" actions. Not the same as the dirty wars exactly, as listed below, which were official and semi-official government operations; hmm haven't looked up Iran-Contra yet...a long digression/backgrounder on military activities and associated political crises in the Pacific Northwest that spins off this I've created a sandbox page for at BC & Pacific Northwest History Forum which I created to put my lengthy elaborations on for linking to, rather than cluttering up Talk pages; I invite you to read and consider in relation to the list overleaf here; it'll be referred to in other articles on the region's history but it's good rundown/intro; mostly to do with the US Border Commission troops and the adventurists in the Fraser Canyon goldfields, but a few other interesting tidbits also; another section I'll be adding of a different horse colour will be some stuff on British-Russian "relations and risks" right up until World War I, about which there's been a couple of interesting books btw.

To TravB; re-reading your replies above I came across:

I fear a POV war brewing, but expected it to start from the right, not the left."

As I tried to explain somewhere else, (maybe on my Talk page?) while I'm not meaning to be confrontational, I can't help be controversial because of the prior absence of the British POV on lots of Wiki pages, including the original Pacific Northwest, Oregon Country, Oregon Treaty and Oregon and Alaska boundary disputes and there's lots of missing details throughout that should be integrated, not for right/left reasons, of for UK->BC->Can/US ones either, but simply in the cause of telling the complete truth. Taking the side of the British Empire is hardly a leftist thing to do, either...Skookum1 03:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Kewl. Add what you wish. Just keep in mind that this page is a list, and no entry should be longer than a sentence. You can link to larger articles you create or expand, as you wish.
As I mentioned before, I know little about Canadian history. I will look at your new page you created. I honestly have little interest in Canadian/US relations, but maybe that will change. I am more interested in the overthrows and the chaotic countries to the South.
I am not familar with the Nicaragua action of 1830, but I do know that Costa Rica was overthrown by an American entrepreneur. Travb (talk) 03:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry; got it wrong, it was the 1850s, althoug AIRC there was another campaign in the '30s; see Filibuster (military); the "Austrian" troops mentioned re the Fraser Canyon War on BC & Pacific Northwest History Forum were part and party of that; many of the Germans and French irregulars stayed on in BC, it seems (hard to see who had done what; it was a politically shady career for a foreigner in ostensibly British turf, although that goes unsaid and it's hard to know who was who and had done what; some of the key McGowan's War people were also veterans of Nicaragua, and there was a "Nicaragua Bar" among the placer-field gold-mining bars of the Fraser.Skookum1 04:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I have had a lot of arguments with people who I later learn to respect, and we become friends of a sort. I appreciate your work, and hope that we can put out disagreements behind us, to make this page even more comprehensive. Travb (talk) 03:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I didn't consider it an argument so much as a misunderstanding; I write in a polemical style, to be sure, and maybe a bit pompously because of my exposure to diplomatic histories and "high lit", and also having not a small sense of theatre. I remember in soc.history.what-if long ago I wrote something on either the Oregon Dispute or a "Imperial British Columbia" timeline something that quite raised hackles with another subscriber from Seattle; once he realized I was writing ironically/polemically he got the point and the humour; taking the really high ground and making it a campaign and a bit of a snake-oil show in the process; it's the problem with text without audio; you can't get the tone; and stuff that might sound aggressive, written from the British/BC point of view (less so Canadian, given the period and my own local loyalties/identity - screw the maple syrup, beaver, moose and Mountie thing, basically). Thing is in the Pacific Northwest the cross-border dynamic isn't largely understood by Canadian history because of its Central Canadian bias and the uncomfortable cross-border nature of the population and the politics; the War of 1812 and all that stuff, the 1837 Rebellion and so on, leaves me cold; the US seizure of Montreal and the Battle of Three Rivers (Trois-Rivieres, Quebec) is all interesting but I only relate to it at a level of overall imperial/continental geopolitics; in the PacNW it's a different matter and there's only now some academic and writing work done exploring the x-border nature/identity and shared history of the place; Americans tend to be more aware of the HBC's role in the lower Columbia District (Oregon Territory to you guys) than anybody in Canadian historiography; even at BC's own universities as I've discovered somewhat to my dismay and frustration. Long story....but all mine are.
Anyway, I think you get it now that it's just a stylistic thing, and that penchant for consuming detail I've got. Point form will be tricky but I'll try; maybe I can separate out some twine from that tangle of threads, we'll see; have to get the names of the US garrisons and regiments in place, and what detail I can get on related stuff; still have to write McGowan's War and the Fraser Canyon War articles (McGowan's is only a stub currently) and input stuff on Douglas' relationship to Stephens in the Yakima and Cayuse Wars articles; which I have yet to add to Indian Wars as I'd long ago intended; obviously multi-ADHD and with 500 topics on the boil on any given session ;-) Speaking of which, you get the idea; I'll sign off for now; it's the shared history here that counts; the idea that in this region it's not US-Canada relations but WA-OR-BC-CA relations; they're intertwined and to be told properly can't really be separated; and lots of themes have differing views, as with the Oregon and Alaska articles and more to come.Skookum1 04:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dirty Wars Timeline

The following was cut and pasted from Foreign relations of the United States Travb (talk) 00:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello All,

This was drawn up for a class in Latin American history I took this year. It's the work of one Professor Van Gosse, who has written extensively on this subject. I think this area certainly deserves more attention than is currently given by wikipedia, but overall I think the present article is not overly biased. Perhaps when summer comes I'll have time to offer something myself. Tom J., Ireland.

THE DIRTY WARS

1961 1) April 17-19: the Bay of Pigs invasion fails 2) General Rafael Trujillo, pro-US dictator of the Dominican Republic since 1930, is assassinated; the CIA supplies the weapons, to avert another “revolutionary situation”


1962 1) The Cuban Missile Crisis 2) “Operation Mongoose” stepped-up

1963 November 22: JFK assassinated

1964 1) US-backed coup in Brazil against President Joao Goulart, LBJ congratulates junta’s “democratic rebellion,” military holds power until 1985 2) CIA and AFL-CIO organize a general strike in British Guiana to topple government of Cheddi Jagan prior to independence from Britain in 1966 3) Panamanians invade Canal Zone to protest US occupation and place national flag, fight with Marines

1965 1) LBJ sends 20,000 troops into the Dominican Republic under OAS auspices, after a military revolt by “Constitutionalists” to restore the elected president, Juan Bosch

1966 1) CIA organizes a “demonstration election” to bring Joaquin Balaguer to power in the Dominican Republic, a protégé of Trujillo; he represses the left, stays in power until 1978 2) CIA organizes counter-insurgency in Guatemala, revolutionary leaders killed 3) The Tricontinental Congress in Havana hears Che Guevara’s “Two, Three, Many Vietnams” message 4) Father Camilo Torres killed while fighting with guerrillas in Colombia

1967 Che hunted down and killed in Bolivia by US-led Rangers

1968 1) The Latin American bishops meet in Medellin, Colombia, declare a “preferential option for the poor” 2) Mexican army kills hundreds in Mexico City during demonstrations against government

1969 Castro mobilizes the entire country for a ten million ton sugar harvest, but fails

1970 Salvador Allende’s Popular Unity coalition of Socialists and Communists wins an election in Chile, CIA fails to block Allende taking power

1972 Center-left coalition led by Jose Napoleon Duarte wins elections in El Salvador; military coup in response

1973 1) September 11: After a campaign of subversion backed by CIA, the Chilean military led by General Augusto Pinochet overthrow Allende and institute massive repression; Pinochet remains in power until 1989 2) Military assumes power in Uruguay after defeating guerrilla movement, the Tupamaros, intensifies repression, stay in power until 1985 3) Populist former ruler Juan Peron (exiled since 1955) returns to Argentina, is elected president amid revolutionary chaos, dies within the year, succeeded by wife Isabel

1975 1) Cuba sends an expeditionary force to Angola to aid the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola after Portugal pulls out; in 1976 Cuban and Angolans defeat US-backed South African invasion force 2) The three factions of the Frente Sandinista de Liberacion Nacional (FSLN, the Sandinistas) unify, prepare to confront the Somoza regime 3) In the US Congress, major hearings are held (the “Church Committee” in the Senate; the “Pike Committee” in the House) to investigate abuses by the CIA and domestic intelligence agencies, including assassinations of foreign leaders and the overthrow of Allende 4) At a meeting in Chile, the secret police chiefs of Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay (later joined by Brazil) organize “Operation Condor” to eliminate their enemies throughout the hemisphere; in 1976 exiled Chilean Foreign Minister Orlando Letelier is blown up in Washington DC, one of tens of thousands killed via Operation Condor with at least tacit US support

1976 1) Following a military coup in March, the “dirty war” begins in Argentina to wipe-out a powerful urban guerrilla movement, with 20,000 killed by 1982; Secretary of State Henry Kissinger tells Argentine Foreign Minister in October "the quicker you succeed the better" 2) In November, Jimmy Carter is elected president of the US, pledges to support human rights and end policy of aiding dictatorships, bans assassinations by US intelligence agencies

1977 Jimmy Carter and Panama’s President, General Omar Torrijos, sign a treaty in Washington formally ceding sovereignty over the Canal Zone to Panama in 1999, abrogating Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty of 1903

1979 July 19: the FSLN triumphs over Somoza after a six-month insurrection and massive repression and marches into Managua; Carter recognizes the new government


this should be integrated in the article - it is an essential part of the subject... a bit of updating would be nice to... --Boszko2 12:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussions on these military events not here

Discussions on these military events should take place on the respective pages, not on this list. Please limit the descrpition of these conflicts to one sentence.

I have been in edit wars with others since October 2005, and have been working on this page almost as long. Please see: Talk:List of United States foreign interventions since 1945 which I merged into List of United States military history events.

To avoid edit wars here, the perspectives on these conflicts should be left to their respective talk pages, not discussed on this list. Thank you. Travb (talk) 17:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Occupation of Akwesasne during Mohawk Civil War, spring 1990

"We" (Canadians) knew about this because of parallel disturbances on the Canadian half of the St. Regis-Akwesasne Reserve, which straddles the border and the St. Lawrence River at Cornwall, Ontario and Messina, New York. The Mohawk Civil War, as it was called in Canada, was a gunfight for control between various factions of the Mohawk people during the late winter/early spring of 1990; the events on the US side of the border were a bit mysterious but were "kept under control" by immediate occupation by US troops of the entire reserve. Don't know much more about it; army or reserves or marines or what, except that they came from the Messina US military base right there. No fighting, just a deployment/mobilization. Anyone else know anything about this? Apparently they were on red alert during the Oka Crisis and thereby no doubt helped things from getting too out of control on our side of the border.Skookum1 18:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest creating the page. Then linking to it in the see also sections, also add the applicable Special:Categories. "If you make it they will come". Travb (talk) 20:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I need to research it; and Mohawk Civil War could easily be a political flame-battle, as the divisions within the Mohawk community are not yet healed/solved. But I'll try; if you've not seen Oka Crisis have a look; although that's a different matter and more Canada/QC vs Mohawks and not at all Mohawk vs Mohawk as with the "civil war". What went on the US side of the line during it was reported briefly on Canadian media; maybe the local paper in Messina might have something, or in Cornwall; could take some digging....someday I'll have to tell you about troop mobilizations at the height of the Solidarity Crisis in BC in 1983, for which no one's written an article yet (Canadians are very good at not looking at stuff in their own recent history IMO: partly because it's still so touchy; more on tis privately or on the PacNW Forum if you like, rather than expound upon it here....Skookum1 08:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Maybe you can add Mohawk Civil War into the existing Oka Crisis page. I think if you post something on the right page (not on the talk page--people ignore the talk pages) then you will get more info. Try google.com/print Travb (talk) 10:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Man, you need to use google, here is a book on it, first hit in the search:
  • "One Nation Under the Gun: Inside the Mohawk Civil War by Rick Hornung"
Google print, 11 hits mostly all references to Hornung's book.
You can buy it used at Amazon.com for $2.00 USD.
I have found 99% of the time asking questions on the talk pages gets no results, I wouldn't do it in the future unless you have exhasted all other avenues. I guess by answering your question, I just happened to make your question one of the 1%. Travb (talk) 10:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, the question was actually did this belong here or not, not so much as to its details; but a book I can't afford anyway, i.e. never mind the $2 and shipping, I don't have credit/credit card; might be in the uni library near me though; I'll have a look, if it is, and see if the US-side events are covered.Skookum1 16:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
And as for the other thing I've mentioned; it was "just" a mobilization - manoeuvres officially - within striking range of the border during what might have been called a state of apprehended insurrection as with the FLQ crisis/'70; but there were no Canadian troops anywhere near BC when the Premier shot his mouth off about using troops (long story/background). Two divisions of Marines, though, in what would have easily been an overnight occupation of the Lower Mainland to thwart a General Strike that had all the makings of turning BC into a republic; or overthrowing the government anyway.....Skookum1 17:00, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
And no, there's no book on it; recent BC history books tend to be butt-kissing bios and retrospects by former political insiders (e.g. http://thetyee.ca/Books/2006/06/27/BennettReconsidered/, a page/forum which mysteriously enough is blank; looks like The Tyee has been hacked - it's our online independent rag, and a good one); objective accounts, even in journalism, are extremely rare. The history's too volatile, often as not; and the main sources (newspapers) are owned/controlled by the same corp, who are always on one side; it's an issue I might hold forth on in the BC&PacNW History Forum at some point, as it relates to the value of "primary sources" in BC history/politics.Skookum1
I have a passing interest in this subject at best, as probably most people who watch this page. I think you would get a better reception and response to your comments and inquiries at Oka Crisis. Do you mind if I move these comments there? Travb (talk) 21:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed items

NYCjosh added these CIA actions yesterday, I added the {{fact}} tag yesterday, because to my knowlege there is little evidence supporting this theory, and the anon deleted them today. Signed: Travb (talk) 01:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Since the history of the 1963 and 1968 Iraqi coups and the CIA's role behind them are amply documented, I did not at first include citations. I added the fully-supportive citations now. Also, it wasn't clear to me where to include citations given the format of the list. Most of the items do not seem to have any citations. --NYCJosh 02:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Since the history of the 1963 and 1968 Iraqi coups and the CIA's role behind them are amply documented, I did not at first include citations. I have been attempting to dig up this role for some time, and was skeptical because I could not find good sources, thank you for the references. I know only that the CIA contacted Saddam in Egypt, when he was in exile, beyond that I know little.
it wasn't clear to me where to include citations given the format of the list I agree, unfortunatly the majority of these items do not have citations. This is a merging of four articles the largest portion is from http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/rl30172.htm.
I just noticed that many of the original events, from before I merged the four lists, are quite large, beyond a simple sentence or two. Maybe I will cut this down. I guess if no edit wars are caused by these sections, there is no need to do that right now. Travb (talk) 03:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hurricane Katrina

Why is the Military action after Hurricane Katrina not mentioned? LCpl 22:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Because you have not added it yet, asking someone else to add material to a talk page is a dead end, 99% of the time. WP:Be Bold. Go for it.Travb (talk) 00:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alleged_interventions

Of all the sections, this section should be referenced, List_of_United_States_military_history_events#Alleged_interventions because of the uncertain evidence of these accusations. Travb (talk) 04:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Humanitarian interventions

If the list includes deployments of the military for humanitarian reasons as in Lebanon it is worthwhile to mention the deployments to Pakistan of helicopters and C130 galaxies after the earthquake. The deployment of helicopters to INdonesia and other countries after the Tsumnami. THe use of military planes to ship rescue dogs such as for Turkey. THe current aid operation sending ships and helicopters to Lebanon. etc.Mrdthree 20:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hundreds of incidents

I have corrected your misspelling of the word "involvement." If you want to insist on misspelliing it, go ahead and do your "revert" operation again. I have also included the following, in order to prevent this article from being the America-bashing article that it was originally:

"Hundreds of incidents (the overwhelming majority) are included herein where U.S. forces never took military action, and were present strictly for humanitarian or other peaceful purposes: disaster relief, for example, or providing security for the evacuation of U.S. civilians during a civil war." AlyssaM 10:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Alyssa, I appreciate your efforts on this wikipage. Thank you for pointing out and correcting the spelling error which maybe mine. I am a terrible speller, and my contributions are often corrected. :)
The reason I deleted this paragraph is the same reason I have deleted long explanations of each military event, pro or anti-US. Please don't take it personally. For example, I deleted the word "drug sales" addition a few days ago. [2] This came from a comprimise that User:CJK and I made a few months ago, when most of this page was on another page. We agreed not to discuss the different military events here on this page, and keep the military events short and concise, limiting them to one sentence at the most. (See:Talk:List_of_United_States_foreign_interventions_since_1945#Potential_ground_rules_on_the_list)
As I wrote to CJK, this list is not the place to argue whether American foreign policy is benign or not. CIA or History of United States overseas expansion and other pages in the Template:AmericanEmpire are better forums for this debate. I have consistently attempted to keep each entry short, and neutral. I would love some help with this, and welcome your future additions.
You also wrote on my talk page the following: If you are going to insist on misspelling the word "involvement," and if you're going to insist on America-bashing, go ahead and do another "revert." (See: User_talk:Travb#List_of_United_States_military_history_events)
if you're going to insist on America-bashing The majority of this list is from a Congressional list compiled over the last 31 years (since 1971), as it states in the first paragraph of this wikipage:
Portions of this list are from the Congressional Research Service report RL30172. Congressional Research Service report RL30172. Retrieved on July 15, 2006.
The list is from the airforce military site. Simply posting this list is not "America-bashing" unless you feel the US airforce and US Congress are "America-bashing" too. The large majority of this page is simply a historical list of US involvment throughout the world, compiled by congress and hosted on the airforce military site.
Thanks for your message and your continued contributions. I hope you can help me make the entries more neutral and concise. It is hard to keep up with this list. Best wishes, and welcome to wikipedia. Travb (talk) 17:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

There are two factors at work here which create a perception of America-bashing. The first is that whenever US troops are sent overseas, no matter how peaceful or small the deployment, it is always made public. This creates a very long list. As you may have noticed, this article has been criticized for its excessive length.

The second factor is that there is no corresponding "List of Soviet Union military events," "List of Chinese military events" or "List of Cuban military events." Because those are secretive governments with no transparency, it would be difficult to compile a list of even the majority of their foreign deployments. But no effort at all has been made. The combination of these two factors creates the impression, however unintended, that this list has been created as ammunition for America-bashing.

The overwhelming majority of these foreign deployments consisted of very small numbers of troops for completely benign purposes. I would add that in general, it is better to give information than to delete it. AlyssaM (talk) 21:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I don't want to get into a discussion about US foreign policy here. I feel your statments are very common run-of-the-mill arguments, which I have addressed many time before, which I would be happy to address on other wikipages.
The overwhelming majority of these foreign deployments consisted of very small numbers of troops for completely benign purposes
Unfortunately, I would have to strongly disagree, and welcome your comments on other pages which I frequent, some of which I have created, such as Philippine-American War, Torture manuals, U.S.-Colombia relations, US history of exporting democracy, Nicaragua vs US, Waterboarding, Santa Marta Massacre, Psychological Operations in Guerrilla War, Plausible deniability, Operation Whitecoat etc.
American Empire is probably the best page to discuss these issues.
I would add that in general, it is better to give information than to delete it. I agree wholeheartedly, with caveats. In fact "give information than to delete it" was my major argument with someone just two days ago. User_talk:TDC#The_more_things_change... But if the addition will provoke edit wars, as has happened before in the history of these five pages which I merged into this one, then it is better to err on the side of caution.
I don't want to be dragged into a long discussion here, I could go on and on, but will not.
Again, I welcome your additions to this page. If you want to trim down these entries, that would be fabulous.
Again, welcome to wikipedia. I look forward to working with you some more.
Signed:Travb (talk) 03:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I've visited the other pages you've mentioned. In general, I find a failure to achieve the NPOV desired by Wikipedia. There is an overall tone of America-bashing, with partial reliance on questionable sources to support the more damning accusations, that reflects what is apparently a dominant culture among contributors at Wikipedia. Also, these events didn't occur in a vacuum. US military deployments have universally occurred in response to threats, either honestly perceived or very real.
The typical deployment seems to be deployment of a few dozen or few hundred Marines to protect the lives of US missionaries and aid workers during a rebellion or civil war, or to provide disaster relief. Nothing could be more benign. For every Philippine-American War (1899-1913) there are at least three Liberias (1998), if not seven or eight. Provoking edit wars wouldn't bother me, as long as the end result is an accurate article with NPOV. AlyssaM (talk) 14:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments, I welcome your changes and additions on any of the above pages. Thanks for your hard work and dilegence, I appreciate you taking the time to read these articles. Travb (talk) 17:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rwandan Genocide

Anon wrote:

Rwandan Genocide On April 6, 1994, extremist groups in Rwanda massacred 800,000 to one million people. UN forces were sent to intervene, but due mainly to the restrictions placed on them, failed to prevent the genocide.
How was the US involved? If part of UN force, need a short blurb stating this. Travb (talk) 00:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I am going to cut this down to one sentence, as we have done with all sections, maybe even delete it, since the anon never explained. *Deleted.* Travb (talk) 11:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name of campaign?

RE: 1857 -- Nicaragua. - April to May, November to December. In May Commander Charles H. Davis of the United States Navy, with some marines, received the surrender of William Walker, self proclamed president of Nicaragua, who was loosing control of the country to forces financed by his former business partner, Cornelius Vanderbilt, and protected his men from the retaliation of native allies who had been fighting Walker. In November and December of the same year United States vessels USS Saratoga, USS Wabash, and Fulton opposed another attempt of William Walker on Nicaragua. Commodore Hiram Paulding's act of landing marines and compelling the removal of Walker to the United States, was tacitly disavowed by Secretary of State Lewis Cass, and Paulding was forced into retirement.

This section is getting to big, does anyone know the name of this skirmish, so that I can make a new article and link to it? Travb (talk) 11:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup and merge?

This page is currently two separate lists, one chronological, and one sorted by topic. It doesn't seem like all events are represented in both lists. It seems like we have two options:

  • Split this into two pages, and try to post all incidents on both, sorted by type
  • Integrate the by-topic list into the chronological listing. We could retain the "type" information by converting it into a table that has a "type" column with links to overview articles for that "thread" of American history.

-- Beland 20:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Gladio allegation

The impression recieved by reading the part about alleged US support of operation gladio is that this organisation was primarily a terrorist organization that attacked civilians in peacetime. In reality it's main function was as a stay behind army to attack military targets, in times of war. It is quite apparent by reading the description and history of Gladio that this was likely the reason that it recieved US support. The fact that it commited atrocities against civilian populations seems to be a minor incident in the organisation's history, and these activities arguably do not represent US intentions, which were likely entirely strategic in preventing a soviet occupation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.216.191.182 (talk) 04:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

I went ahead and toned down this section. Arguments about content should be on the respective pages. This is simply a list of military events only, and to avoid edits wars here, each entry should be brief (no more than a sentence).Travb (talk) 06:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bombing a country because of an insult??

"1854 -- Nicaragua. - July 9 to 15. Naval forces bombarded and burned San Juan del Norte (Greytown) to avenge an insult to the American Minister to Nicaragua." Is this a factual information? To me, it looks like an anti-American biased simplification of facts. The only source I could find which doesn't look as if it's been copied from the Wikipedia is the following:

"Because of the increase in traffic, in 1852, an American Naval frigate, the Cyane cruised Caribbean coastlines to protect American citizens settled in Caribbean ports, including Greytown. On July 13, 1854, the Cyane bombarded and destroyed Greytown when local authorities refused to make reparation or restitution for property stolen from American citizens and for an attack by a mob on the United States consul. Within weeks, news of the controversial bombing was reported around the world, including in the London Illustrated News. In 1855, the Río San Juan changed course and again Greytown was destroyed. " http://www.maritimeheritage.org/ports/centralAmerica/nicaragua.html

Malbi

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