Talk:List of United States Presidential assassination attempts
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[edit] "List of unsuccessful U.S. Presidential assassination attempts" vs. "List of U.S. Presidential assassination attempts"
I chose to name the article List of U.S. Presidential assassination attempts because the word implies that it was unsuccessful. List of U.S. Presidential assassinations would be the successes and List of U.S. Presidential assassination attempts would be the failures.
As a title, List of unsuccessful U.S. Presidential assassination attempts is long and bulky. Kingturtle 00:05, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- When I first read the title I thought it would include all assassination attempts, both failed and successful. So I guess this kind of ends the discussion right here, don't you think? Better to be verbose (and ugly) yet truthful, than concise (and possibly aesthetic) but of doubtful veracity. -- Dissident 08:44, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Year 0 Curse
The article said, under "Ronald Reagan":
- Because Ronald Reagan survived the assassination attempt, he became the first president elected in a year ending with a zero since 1820 to survive and finish his term.
As written, this is false. Abraham Lincoln was elected in 1860 and survived and finished his term, which ended on 4 March 1865; he died on 15 April 1865. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was elected in 1940 and survived and finished his term, which ended on 20 January 1944; he died on 12 April 1945.
[edit] Why
i am not putting this article up for deletion because i know it will not be deleted. but what exactly is the point of this page? all this information can easily be expressed on individual pages. Sensation002 00:32, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
- Because it is of interest to view all this information at once. If it is only on individual articles, then one would have to investigate each POTUS article. Kingturtle 00:38, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] GW Bush
A live grenade is thrown at the president at lands 100 feet away - and authorities say it is not an attempt on his life? sounds like damage control to me. Kingturtle 02:14, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
It doesnt matter what sounds like damage control to you, are you saying you know more than the authorities? Even if it HAD exploded, that type of grenade has a maximum range of ~30 ft, which the president was clearly out of. And it was NOT a live grenade, you see? Because it did not explode.
- (1) whether it would have killed him or not is a mute point. the point is that someone tried to injure the president. (2) when this story first broke, the Georgian authorities reported it, and the U.S. Government DENIED that it even happened. it took a few days before the U.S. Government admitted that it happened. (3) read the Clinton entry: Francisco Martin Duran fired shots at the White House from the south lawn thinking that Clinton was among the men in dark suits standing there. No one was hurt and Duran was sentenced to 40 years in prison. Clinton wasn't ever in danger. This list is meant to list incidents of attempts. Kingturtle 23:05, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
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- Great. Now this unnamed individual has decided that the solution is to remove the attempt on Clinton, too. Just leave it alone, wouldja, buddy? Squidd 20:08, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
I don't understand, I have provided you a SOURCE that says it was not a real attempt on Bush's life, when will you get your head out of your ass, and drop the ego, power-trip?
- see my comments above. Kingturtle 03:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The White House called it a war in Iraq, whereas Wikipedia calls it an invasion (2003 invasion of Iraq). Wikipedia is not bound by official government spin. Kingturtle 07:24, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The article uses the word 'war,' AND the neutrality of the article is disputed. Both invasion and war are correct terms as I am concerned. White House spin? Are you kidding? Or just retarded? Both terms are neutral. Anyway, getting back to the article in debate. How the hell do you know? Were you there? Did you throw the grenade? What gives you the knowledge to dispute those who do know? EVEN IF, they are not telling the entire truth. Their (accused) half-truth STILL gives more information than what you infer. Please, put your ego out of the way. The person throwing the grenade did not intend anything other than fear, and not to kill the U.S. President.
- It was a LIVE GRENADE. it just didn't go off. Kingturtle 06:25, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I can see where Kingturtle is coming from here. Successful or not, likely to succeed or not, it was most likely an attempt to kill the president, and it was certainly unsuccessful. On the other hand, we don't know for sure that it was intended to kill the president. All we know is that an "inactive" grenade was found within 100 feet (30m) of where the president gave a speech the previous day. "Georgia's security chief said there was no chance that the Soviet-made RPG-5 hand grenade could have exploded and that the intention was probably to create public fear." [1] I'd say that without more information, the prudent thing would probably be to not list it as an assassination attempt. -- Plutor 19:06, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I totally agree with Kingturtle, if waving an unloaded gun is enough to make the list, so is throwing that grenade. demo 21:05, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
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- I re-added this. The incident was recently confirmed by Georgian authorities and the White house as an assassination attempt.--Pharos 20:25, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
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- After the latest news on this front, I agree. This definitely falls under the fuzzy definition of "assassination attempt". -- Plutor 18:52, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Expanding the scope
Why don't we just make this List of U.S. Presidential assassination attempts and include blurbs about Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, and Kennedy. After all, which attempts were successful and which failed is largely a matter of historical accident, and it would be useful to have all incidents for comparison.--Pharos 00:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
- I was going to complain that this would just be a merger with an article with a list of assassinations, but it turns out that such a list only exists in the PotUS article. I think this might be a good idea, as long as the list of events all stay roughly about the same length. We should link to the John F. Kennedy assassination, etc, articles for more details. -- Plutor 12:50, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
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- Congrats on the move and expansion. Lots of spelling and wikification mistakes, but that's okay. That's why Wiki is great. -- Plutor 13:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Jonathan Gowan
While I was looking at this piece, I noticed how Jonathan Gowan was first. First of all, he isn't a president, unless they were talking about the assasin or the vice president. Second, I think we should combine all three into one Jonathan Gowan, although they were at different times. -Freddy Tsao
Who the hell was Jonathan Gowan? There never was a VP with that name. I looked him up here and on Google but didn't find anything relevent. Len
[edit] Attempt on Carter?
I've never heard about an attempt on President Carter's life, although John Hinckley was thinking about it before the 1980 election led him to change his target to Reagan. "Raymond Lee Harvey"? A little close to the name "Lee Harvey Oswald." Did this really happen, or is someone being a wiseguy? (Michael Pacholek, 6:43 PM EDT, May 30, 2006)
- I've heard this before. But I can tell you that in 1980, some members of the Revolutionary Communist Party barged their way into the Democratic National Convention and tried to assassinate Carter there. DanTD 02:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 4 out of 15 chance
The article says 4 out of 15 attempts have been successful. So if someone were to try and kill the president, they have a 26 per-cent chance of succeding. By this logic if 10 ppl were to try on the presidents life they are almost guaranteed to suceed. 1 - ((11 / 15)^10) = 0.955020538 or a 95% chance of successs. DISCLAIMER:"I'm not suggesting or condoning anything"--God_of War 08:02, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Where's Reagan?
Hi, I was just looking over this page to get the exact date of Mckinley's assassination and as I scrolled down out of curiousity and realized that Reagan did not make the list. I would attempt to fill in this information, but I am in the middle of doing a paper for school and also believe that someone else would do a much better job (seeing as how I have a tendency to write in run-on sentences)
- Reagan's in the list. There's also a separate full article on the Reagan assassination attempt. -- Plutor talk 13:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Separated successful presidential assassinations
Given this list is likely to be of most interest for those presidents who were in fact assassinated, I have separated out and emphasised the four successfull assassinations. I think it makes the page a lot clearer and user firendly. WJBscribe 00:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Other attempts on Nixon, Carter & Clinton
I already mentioned the attempt by the Revolutionary Communist Party to kill Carter, but there are two others that haven't been covered.
- In the early-1970's Richard Nixon was visiting Canada to sign some environmental agreement with Pierre Trudeau, when he face some demonstrators from a communist splinter group calling itself the "Movement for the National Liberation of Canada." Somebody tried to take a shot at him, and the RCMP took him out.
- I haven't been able to find anything in Google about the "Movement for the National Liberation of Canada", nor anything about any assassination attempt in Canada. Do you have any sources, or further details that might be able to lead us to a source? -- Plutor talk 13:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Besides the attempted attack on Clinton by Francisco Martin Duran there was also that incident where somebody rammed a small plane into the White House in order to kill Clinton. Anybody else remember that? DanTD 11:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- That was Frank Eugene Corder, and according to his article, "friends claim he bore no ill will towards President Bill Clinton and likely only wanted the publicity of the stunt." His entry has been on this article off and on, it looks like, primarily because it's a challenge to determine when something becomes an actual "assassination attempt". Does Leland William Modjeski's jump over the White House fence with an unloaded gun count? -- Plutor talk 13:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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- My mistake. DanTD 15:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Correction on Carter
I made a mistake. It wasn't the Revolutionary Communist Party that tried to assassinate Jimmy Carter. It was the Communist Worker's Party. Both are Maoists, so that's why I got them confused. DanTD 17:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Ambushed" the Blair House?
The description of the Truman assassination attempt says that the would-be assassins "ambushed the Blair House". Since "ambush" generally means a suprise attack perpetrated by people who had been lying in wait for someone to come along, it's kind of a baffling verb to use in regards to a building. Did they launch a frontal assault on the Blair House? Try to break in and find Truman inside? Or what? --Jfruh (talk) 02:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Harry S Truman, not Harry S. Truman
His middle name was simply "S," it stood for nothing. So it is improper to use a period after his middle name. Removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.250.173.20 (talk) 04:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Clinton?
Was the 1994 White House plane crash really an assassination attempt? It sounds like it was just a guy wanting to kill himself in news-worthy fashion. -- TexasDawg 17:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)