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Contents 1 Article length 2 How do you want to list the anthologies? 3 Disambiguated 4 incorrect link 5 most novels? 6 Star Trek: Titan wikilinks 7 Titan renumbering 8 structure issues 9 splittage 10 a time to to

[edit] Article length

I'm getting the 32K warning as I add titles and author names to this article. Anyone want to suggest how best to split this into two articles? With so much crossover between series it's hard to just have separate pages for books based on TOS or DS9 or whatever, but it might be possible create a page just for the directly TOS-based books since that's the longest list. (I hope to add the remaining authors and titles after I return from a trip next week, but if anyone wants to fill in the rest of the blanks, be my guest!) 23skidoo 00:42, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I never did get around to continuing my "project", however I think this page might look better in table format, so might try to make that change when I have a moment or two. 23skidoo 16:35, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How do you want to list the anthologies?

Since they have multiple authors, and occasionally span series, how should anthologies be listed?

[edit] Disambiguated

I have disambiguated several blue links that were leading to the wrong articles. I used two rules:

• Add "(Star Trek)" for links leading to articles not related to Star Trek.
• Add "(novel)" for links leading to Star Trek -related articles that were about a character, an episode or a term. Adding "(Star Trek)" in this case would have been useless.

— JIP | Talk 10:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] incorrect link

A Rock and a Hard Place (Peter David), 1990 links to a Vietnam War novel by David Sherman —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.244.86.60 (talk • contribs).

it appears to be properly linked to an unabiguous article name now. Bovineone 06:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

The Janus Gate (L.A. Graf)* 1: Present Tense, 2002 linbks to some cd dunno how to redrict the linkColsmeghead 21:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Fixed it. In general, if that happens, edit the link to add (Star Trek novel) to the end of it. For instance, I changed [[Present Tense]] to [[Present Tense (Star Trek novel)|Present Tense]]. The "|Presnt Tense" after the article name makes it appear as "Present Tense" rather than "Present Tense (Star Trek novel)". Newnam^(talk) 22:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Author Susan Wright's link has nothing to do with her, but with another Susan Wright.

[edit] most novels?

I put a {{fact}} tag on the sentence about "most novels based on a single fictional universe". I've heard the claim made about Doctor Who novels as well — I'm not necessarily doubting that Star Trek may have more, but it would still be good to have a citation to back that up. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

No idea about the Trek novels, but the Guinness listing for Doctor Who was more specifically for "most novels based around one character", as I recall. Given the various Trek storylines have different sets of characters, it's perfectly possible that it has more books and that both claims are correct. Angmering 20:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I figure the only citation you're likely to find is on a newsgroup. I asked this question a few times and the current understanding is Star Trek either physically has more books out than Doctor Who, or has more original novels than Doctor Who, if you consider that the current total output for Doctor Who includes approximately 150 novelisations, compared to maybe 2 dozen max for Star Trek. I doubt you'll find a book giving a citation of this nature. 23skidoo 03:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It depends on how you define 'novel'. You can make a case that Doc Savage has about 200 and The Shadow has about 250. Tom Swift was in the 200 or so range also. The champion is probably Perry Rhodan with over a thousand to date, although there may may some Mystery or Western series with more; Perry Mason, for instance. And what about Harlequin Romances? CFLeon 02:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Star Trek: Titan wikilinks

I reverted the wikilinks to the individual Titan novels, as at this point it is very unlikely that there will be individual articles for each novel when the Star Trek: Titan article is very comprehensive. Also, the Sword of Damocles link does not link to an article that is about a Star Trek novel. I don't think there is a need to have "red links" that will never be created. Newnam^(talk) 21:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

i was writing a topic for orions hands when i got a message that my other artciles wher being deleteds, so iw as going to hold uploading till i could find out why. i dont make new pages often so i assumed there was somethign wrong with my style--Colsmeghead 21:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Titan renumbering

I seem to recall that Titan, the publishers of the Star Trek books in the UK, renumbered the original series books. I'm pondering whether it would be worth listing this renumbering, and if so, what format to do it in (the article is long enough that just having another list seems a bad idea) Morwen - Talk 16:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is the list annotated with the Titan numbers. It is somewhat random. They appear to have started in 1987, putting out new books and also random back catalogue. Things make an awful lot more sense to me now about these books. Having Battlestations! be the book immediately before "The Rift" makes no sense at all, for example. Don't know when they stopped this series. The last I can find in this series at amazon.ca is "The Great Starship Race", Pocket #67, but Titan #52, which just about fits with my memory.

• 1: Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Gene Roddenberry), 1979 - film novelization - TITAN 14
• 2: The Entropy Effect (Vonda N. McIntyre), 1981 - TITAN 16
• 3: The Klingon Gambit (Robert E. Vardeman) - TITAN 33
• 4: The Covenant of the Crown (Howard Weinstein) - TITAN 23
• 5: The Prometheus Design (Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath), 1982 - TITAN 35
• 6: The Abode of Life (Lee Correy) - TITAN 25
• 7: The Wrath of Khan (Duty, Honor, Redemption - Book 1) (Vonda N. McIntyre) - film novelization - TITAN 15
• 8: Black Fire (Sonni Cooper), 1983 - TITAN 37
• 9: Triangle (Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath) - TITAN 49
• 10: Web of the Romulans (M.S. Murdock) - TITAN 27
• 11: Yesterday's Son (The Yesterday Saga, Book 1) (A.C. Crispin) - TITAN 8
• 12: Mutiny on the Enterprise (Robert E. Vardeman) - TITAN 45
• 13: The Wounded Sky (Diane Duane) - TITAN 19
• 14: The Trellisane Confrontation (Daniel Dvorkin), 1984 - TITAN 31
• 15: Corona (Greg Bear) - TITAN 24
• 16: The Final Reflection (Worlds Apart, Book 1/The Hand of Kahless, Book 1) (John M. Ford) - TITAN 10
• 17: Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (Duty, Honor, Redemption - Book 2) (Vonda N. McIntyre) - film novelization - not published by Titan
• 18: My Enemy, My Ally (Rihannsu, Book 1) (Diane Duane) - TITAN 21
• 19: The Tears of the Singers (Melinda Snodgrass) - TITAN 39
• 20: The Vulcan Academy Murders (Jean Lorrah) - TITAN 12
• 21: Uhura's Song (Janet Kagan), 1985 - TITAN UNNUMBERED GIANT NOVEL
• 22: Shadow Lord (Laurence Yep) - TITAN UNNUMBERED GIANT NOVEL
• 23: Ishmael (Barbara Hambly) - TITAN 26
• 24: Killing Time (Della van Hise) - TITAN 38
• 25: Dwellers in the Crucible (Margaret Wander Bonanno) - TITAN UNNUMBERED GIANT NOVEL
• 26: Pawns and Symbols (Majliss Larson) - TITAN UNNUMBERED GIANT NOVEL
• 27: Mindshadow (J.M. Dillard), 1986 - TITAN 41
• 28: Crisis on Centaurus (Brad Ferguson) - TITAN 47
• 29: Dreadnought! (Fortunes of War, Book 1) (Diane Carey) - TITAN 29
• 30: Demons (J.M. Dillard) - TITAN 43
• 31: Battlestations! (Fortunes of War, Book 2) (Diane Carey) - TITAN 51
• 32: Chain of Attack (Gene DeWeese), 1987 - TITAN 1
• 33: Deep Domain (Howard Weinstein) - TITAN 2
• 34: Dreams of the Raven (Carmen Carter) - TITAN 3
• 35: The Romulan Way (Rihannsu, Book 2) (Diane Duane and Peter Morwood) - TITAN 4
• 36: How Much for Just the Planet? (Worlds Apart, Book 2) (John M. Ford) - TITAN 5
• 37: Bloodthirst (J.M. Dillard) - TITAN 6
• 38: The IDIC Epidemic (Jean Lorrah), 1988 - TITAN 7
• 39: Time for Yesterday (The Yesterday Saga, Book 2) (A.C. Crispin) - TITAN 9
• 40: Time Trap (David Dvorkin) - TITAN 11
• 41: The Three-Minute Universe (Barbara Paul) - TITAN 13
• 42: Memory Prime, (Worlds in Collision, Book 1) (Garfield Reeves-Stevens and Judith Reeves-Stevens) - TITAN 16
• 43: The Final Nexus (Gene DeWeese) - TITAN 18
• 44: Vulcan's Glory (D.C. Fontana), 1989 - TITAN 20
• 45: Double, Double (Michael Jan Friedman) - TITAN 22
• 46: The Cry of the Onlies (Judy Klass) - TITAN 28
• 47: The Kobayashi Maru (Julia Ecklar) - TITAN 30
• 48: Rules of Engagement (Peter Morwood), 1990 - TITAN 32
• 49: The Pandora Principle (Carolyn Clowes) - TITAN 34
• 50: Doctor's Orders (Diane Duane) - TITAN 36
• 51: Enemy Unseen (V.E. Mitchell) - TITAN 40
• 52: Home is the Hunter (Dana Kramer-Rolls) - TITAN 42
• 53: Ghost-Walker (Barbara Hambly), 1991 - TITAN 44
• 54: A Flag Full of Stars (The Lost Years Saga, Book 2) (Brad Ferguson) - TITAN 46
• 55: Renegade (Gene DeWeese) - TITAN 48
• 56: Legacy (Michael Jan Friedman) - TITAN 50
• 57: The Rift (Peter David) - TITAN 52
• 58: Faces of Fire (Michael Jan Friedman), 1992 - TITAN 53
• 59: The Disinherited (Peter David, Michael Jan Friedman, Robert Greenberger) - TITAN 54
• 60: Ice Trap (L.A. Graf) - TITAN 55
• 61: Sanctuary (John Vornholt) - TITAN 56
• 62: Death Count (L.A. Graf) - TITAN 57
• 63: Shell Game (Melissa Crandall), 1993 - TITAN 58
• 64: The Starship Trap (Mel Gilden) - TITAN 59
• 65: Windows on a Lost World (V.E. Mitchell) - TITAN 60
• 66: From the Depths (Victor Milan) - TITAN 61
• 67: The Great Starship Race (Diane Carey) - TITAN 62

• 68: Firestorm (L.A. Graf), 1994
• 69: The Patrian Transgression (Simon Hawke)
• 70: Traitor Winds (The Lost Years Saga, Book 3) (L.A. Graf)
• 71: Crossroad (Barbara Hambly)
• 72: The Better Man (Howard Weinstein)
• 73: Recovery (The Lost Years Saga, Book 4) (J.M. Dillard), 1995
• 74: The Fearful Summons (Denny Martin Flynn)
• 75: First Frontier (Diane Carey and Dr. James Kirkland)
• 76: The Captain's Daughter (Peter David)
• 77: Twilight's End (Jerry Oltion), 1996
• 78: The Rings of Tautee (Dean Wesley Smith and Kristine Kathryn Rusch)
• 79: Invasion #1: First Strike (Diane Carey)
• 80: The Joy Machine (Theodore Sturgeon and James Gunn) - novelization by Gunn of an unproduced TOS script by Sturgeon)
• 81: Mudd in Your Eye (Jerry Oltion), 1997
• 82: Mind Meld (John Vornholt)
• 83: Heart of the Sun (Pamela Sargent and George Zebrowski)
• 84: Assignment: Eternity (Greg Cox), 1998
• 85: Republic (My Brother's Keeper, Book One) (Michael Jan Friedman), 1999
• 86: Constitution (My Brother's Keeper, Book Two) (Michael Jan Friedman)
• 87: Enterprise (My Brother's Keeper, Book Three) (Michael Jan Friedman)
• 88: Across the Universe (Pamela Sargent and George Zebrowski)
• 89: Wagon Train to the Stars (New Earth, Book 1) (Diane Carey), 2000
• 90: Belle Terre (New Earth, Book 2) (Dean Wesley Smith and Diane Carey)
• 91: Rough Trails (New Earth, Book 3) (L.A. Graf)
• 92: The Flaming Arrow (New Earth, Book 4) (Kathy Oltion and Jerry Oltion)
• 93: Thin Air (New Earth, Book 5) (Kristine Kathryn Rusch and Dean Wesley Smith)
• 94: Challenger (New Earth, Book 6) (Diane Carey)
• 95: Swordhunt (Rihannsu, Book 3) (Diane Duane)
• 96: Honor Blade (Rihannsu, Book 4) (Diane Duane)
• 97: In the Name of Honor (Dayton Ward), 2002

[edit] structure issues

i've just noticed that this article had (until I started table-ifying stuff) the books in pretty much the same structure as Voyages of the Imagination. I don't know to what extent that ordering is copyrightable- but at any rate it seems inappropriate, and I think makes my making things be chronological seem more appropriate. any suggestions as to how i should mark relaunch stuff? (or rather, non-relaunch stuff after an implied cut-off point?) Morwen - Talk 23:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The ordering this list uses is a logical one, so it makes sense that the book would have followed a structure similar to the one this article uses. After all, the only novels from publishers other than Pocket Books (or Wanderer, Archway, Minstrel, etc., which are all fellow imprints of Simon & Schuster, i.e. sister companies to Pocket) were from before TNG or any other series existed. This is also pretty much the order that I used when I was creating the booklists for the back of the book, back in the 2001-2004 timeframe. (That was discontinued due to the immense size... with around 30 new titles a year, or closer to 40 if you include the eBooks, the list was getting very long.) My list pre-dates this Wikipedia page, but I have no problem with the page using a similar structure as well. --Psiphiorg 22:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. How do you feel about me integrating the numbered and non-numbered books in chronological list as I have done? I think it gets thoroughly confusing otherwise, as the numbered books seemed to kind of peter out in 2000/1. And then there's all sorts of weird things like the first four Rihannsu books being numbered, but the last one not, and that sort of thing. But I'm open to argument on the matter.

Also it would be good to indicate hardcover-originally books. Morwen - Talk 16:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

What you've done here is looking pretty good. It can definitely be a difficult task figuring out the optimal arrangement for the lists, but one nice thing about the web is that we can continually tweak things and don't have to be committed to one layout if something better is developed. I'm sure I'll have some ideas on improvement as the page develops, but by all means, be bold and try things out! --ΨΦorg 20:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] splittage

Ok, as noted on User_talk:JIP, I'm thinking that probably splitting this by "era" would be best, so having Enterprise/TOS/Vanguard books in one article, and then TNG/Voyager/DS9/Titan/IKS Gorkon/New Frontier/Stargazer books in another article, would be best. This poses a special problem for things like The Lost Era and the books featuring Spock and Kirk in the TNG era but branded under TOS, so guess those would want to be on both lists as appropriate. I will make a massive spreadsheet and then see what I can come up with. Morwen - Talk 10:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] a time to to

okay i've just started on time for war time for peace but i got a feeling i went into too much detail in the triva a) any suggestions b) is there a book page that is the "gold standard" ie set out properly not too much detail etc etc that i could look at to help me write better articles?