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Contents 1 2006 Remastering 2 Number of episode lists 3 Order of episodes 4 Episode list in text format 5 Naming conventions poll 6 Episode numbers 7 Synopses getting out of synch 8 Request Move 9 Color Change

[edit] 2006 Remastering

Since these eps have been digitally remastered yet again, with the minuature footage being replaced with CGI, I've added a section dealing with the changes. I propose that all episodes receive updates with this section.

[edit] Number of episode lists

Do we really need three lists of Episodes? Cyberia23 23:20, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd say, they could be combined into one table with two additional columns to show all three ways of counting.

I agree - having three tables is a bad idea - it's redundant and means information has to be updated in three places. We should have only one table. I would go with the production number order myself as this is the 'official' order (or possibly by air date, but not by stardate, as many of them were quite arbitrary). We wouldn't really need extra columns as the airdate and stardate columns will show they are not in the same order. We could just have a note explaining why they're not in the same order as the production number. Marky1981 12:30, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

As there was no objections, I have gone ahead and removed the stardate and air date orderings. I have left the notes in so that readers will know there are other possible ways to order the episodes. If you do not agree with this, please don't revert without discussing here first. Thanks, Marky1981 20:39, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I have no disagreement, but you forgot to update or remove the second paragraph of the article, which still stated that there were three lists. I was wondering where the other two lists were until I read this discussion page. I've removed that paragraph. -- CWesling 05:26, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Apparently user 68.98.193.32 disagreed -- he or she took it upon him/herself to reorder the entire list by air date order and change all the episode numbers to a system of 3 digit numbers where the first digit is the season number, without any discussion here first. I have reverted to the last version by Marky1981. -- CWesling 10:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

The article says 'The episodes are listed in order of production number. This is the "official" order of the episodes, used by the 1989 and 1997 official Paramount VHS releases, and the 2004 DVD release.' However, both Amazon UK and USA list the DVD sets as having the episodes in the airdate order (i.e. "The Man Trap" is the first episode). I do not own these DVD sets, but it seems to me like the "official" order is that of airdate order. Kidburla2002 22:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The article is wrong on that point. The 40 DVD-releases from 1999-2001 (two episodes on each disc) were in production number order. However, Paramount switched to air date order for the season sets. Even Paramount is not sure of which order to use, it seems. I corrected this in the article. Davhorn 17:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The article has two lists again: airdate order and production order! One list is sufficient, please just decide which it should be. If we do need to list both, we don't need to have the synopses duplicated as well. Marky1981 16:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, I'd just as soon have both lists if it means we don't have to keep arguing about which way it should be listed. Look how many times the whole list has been changed from one order to another and back again. It's not like the lists are going to need much updating, anyway -- they're not producing any new episodes, after all -- so having to update in two places instead of one doesn't really matter. -- CWesling 05:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order of episodes

I'm a bit confused as it looks like the list's order follows the production number except for season 3 which is in order of airdate. Theshibboleth 00:05, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

You are correct. Since the stated objective was to keep only the production order list, I have gone ahead and resorted the 3rd season accordingly. -- CWesling 05:26, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Those available through Netflix are arranged by production sequence, not airdate. —Tamfang 00:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, maybe we should change the list to the airdate order, then. It's my least favorite order of the three, because it's the only one that we KNOW is not accurate by the internal chronology of the series... Then again, if the default order on the DVDs is by airdate, maybe it would make sense to keep this in production order, because people who want to watch the episodes in chronological order need to be able to find that list somewhere (since they can't find it on the DVDs) -- so why not here? - CWesling 23:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

A lot of people have debated here about how the episodes of Star Trek should be ordered. There are three popular ways: production order, airdate order, and stardate order. Let's examine all three:

Production order: In the early 1970s Paramount released the series into syndication as a package of 78 episodes. These were arranged by order of production, from "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to "Turnabout Intruder." VHS releases in the 1980s and DVD releases from the 1990s did the same. Although considered by some to be "official," this ordering ignores the chronological history of the program. It makes sense only if the show is considered one giant unit, which, of course, as a syndication package, it is. The concept of "seasons" has no place in this ordering, and therefore the VHS and early DVD releases were not ordered by season. This is the same as listing records by recording date.

Airdate order: This method of ordering represents the chronological history of the show as a broadcast program. It reflects the way that the show was originally presented to the world: Season 1 ("The Man Trap" to "Operation - Annihilate!"), Season 2 ("Amok Time" to "Assignment: Earth"), and Season 3 ("Spock's Brain" to "Turnabout Intruder"). This is not the same order that the show was produced, but it IS the way it was originally shown. The later DVD releases, ordered by season, follow this order, and for good reason: this how the show was first released to the public. This is the same as listing records by release date.

Stardate order: Let's get real, people. Star Trek was a television show, broadcast on a television network. "Stardates" were trivialities. Why they are listed on the DVDs are beyond me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added on 27 August 2006 by 4.131.46.149 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Episode list in text format

I have moved the plain text episode list here as it is inappropriate on the main article page. Marky1981 15:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

The following is a text-formatted list of Star Trek TOS episodes that is useful for direct import into spreadsheets and databases.

Star Trek - 1964-01-00 [01] The Cage
Star Trek - 1966-09-22 [02] Where No Man Has Gone Before
Star Trek - 1966-11-10 [03] The Corbomite Maneuver
Star Trek - 1966-10-13 [04] Mudd's Women
Star Trek - 1966-10-06 [05] The Enemy Within
Star Trek - 1966-09-08 [06] The Man Trap
Star Trek - 1966-09-29 [07] The Naked Time
Star Trek - 1966-09-15 [08] Charlie X
Star Trek - 1966-12-15 [09] Balance of Terror
Star Trek - 1966-10-20 [10] What are Little Girls Made Of?
Star Trek - 1966-11-03 [11] Dagger of the Mind
Star Trek - 1966-10-27 [12] Miri
Star Trek - 1966-12-08 [13] The Conscience of the King
Star Trek - 1967-01-05 [14] The Galileo Seven
Star Trek - 1967-02-02 [15] Court Martial
Star Trek - 1966-11-17 [16] The Menagerie - Part 1
Star Trek - 1966-11-24 [16] The Menagerie - Part 2
Star Trek - 1966-12-29 [17] Shore Leave
Star Trek - 1967-01-12 [18] The Squire of Gothos
Star Trek - 1967-01-19 [19] Arena
Star Trek - 1967-03-23 [20] The Alternative Factor
Star Trek - 1967-01-26 [21] Tomorrow is Yesterday
Star Trek - 1967-02-09 [22] The Return of the Archons
Star Trek - 1967-02-23 [23] A Taste of Armageddon
Star Trek - 1967-02-16 [24] Space Seed
Star Trek - 1967-03-02 [25] This Side of Paradise
Star Trek - 1967-03-09 [26] The Devil in the Dark
Star Trek - 1967-03-16 [27] Errand of Mercy
Star Trek - 1967-04-06 [28] The City on the Edge of Forever
Star Trek - 1967-04-13 [29] Operation: Annihilate!
Star Trek - 1967-10-27 [30] Catspaw
Star Trek - 1967-11-10 [31] Metamorphosis
Star Trek - 1967-12-01 [32] Friday's Child
Star Trek - 1967-09-22 [33] Who Mourns for Adonais?
Star Trek - 1967-09-15 [34] Amok Time
Star Trek - 1967-10-20 [35] The Doomsday Machine
Star Trek - 1967-12-22 [36] Wolf in the Fold
Star Trek - 1967-09-29 [37] The Changeling
Star Trek - 1967-10-13 [38] The Apple
Star Trek - 1967-10-06 [39] Mirror, Mirror
Star Trek - 1967-12-08 [40] The Deadly Years
Star Trek - 1967-11-03 [41] I, Mudd
Star Trek - 1967-12-29 [42] The Trouble with Tribbles
Star Trek - 1968-03-15 [43] Bread and Circuses
Star Trek - 1967-11-17 [44] Journey to Babel
Star Trek - 1968-02-02 [45] A Private Little War
Star Trek - 1968-01-05 [46] The Gamesters of Triskelion
Star Trek - 1967-12-15 [47] Obsession
Star Trek - 1968-01-19 [48] The Immunity Syndrome
Star Trek - 1968-01-12 [49] A Piece of the Action
Star Trek - 1968-02-23 [50] By Any Other Name
Star Trek - 1968-02-09 [51] Return to Tomorrow
Star Trek - 1968-02-16 [52] Patterns of Force
Star Trek - 1968-03-08 [53] The Ultimate Computer
Star Trek - 1968-03-01 [54] The Omega Glory
Star Trek - 1968-03-29 [55] Assignment: Earth
Star Trek - 1968-10-25 [56] Spectre of the Gun
Star Trek - 1968-12-20 [57] Elaan of Troyius
Star Trek - 1968-10-04 [58] The Paradise Syndrome
Star Trek - 1968-09-27 [59] The Enterprise Incident
Star Trek - 1968-10-11 [60] And the Children Shall Lead
Star Trek - 1968-09-20 [61] Spock's Brain
Star Trek - 1968-10-18 [62] Is There in Truth No Beauty?
Star Trek - 1968-12-06 [63] The Empath
Star Trek - 1968-11-15 [64] The Tholian Web
Star Trek - 1968-11-08 [65] For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky
Star Trek - 1968-11-01 [66] Day of the Dove
Star Trek - 1968-11-22 [67] Plato's Stepchildren
Star Trek - 1968-11-29 [68] Wink of an Eye
Star Trek - 1969-01-24 [69] That Which Survives
Star Trek - 1969-01-10 [70] Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
Star Trek - 1969-01-03 [71] Whom Gods Destroy
Star Trek - 1969-01-17 [72] The Mark of Gideon
Star Trek - 1969-01-31 [73] The Lights of Zetar
Star Trek - 1969-02-28 [74] The Cloud Minders
Star Trek - 1969-02-21 [75] The Way to Eden
Star Trek - 1969-02-14 [76] Requiem for Methuselah
Star Trek - 1969-03-07 [77] The Savage Curtain
Star Trek - 1969-03-14 [78] All Our Yesterdays
Star Trek - 1969-06-03 [79] Turnabout Intruder

[edit] Naming conventions poll

There is an ongoing poll and Request for Comment at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)#RfC Episode Article Naming conventions which has direct relevance to how to title the Star Trek episode articles, meaning that based on how this poll comes out, many Star Trek episodes may get moved around. All interested editors are therefore strongly encouraged to participate, to ensure that your wishes are incorporated into the consensus process. --Elonka 22:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode numbers

I note that the episode numbers on this list and the episode numbers on the articles themselves, do not match. The articles appear to be giving the "aired episode #"; the only list of numbers here is "production #". Morwen - Talk 13:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Hmm, we used to have numbers on the airdate list. I went back in the history a while and couldn't find when we lost them. It would probably be a good idea to add them back. -- CWesling 07:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Synopses getting out of synch

I note that people are editing episode descriptions in the first list, but not putting the same change into the second list. I suggest we merge the descriptions into the first list and delete them from the second list -- as somebody else said some time ago, there's no real point in having two sets of synopses. -- CWesling 07:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

This makes sense. I'm not sure which is the more usual order to list them in : whichever that one is, it should be the order we present first. I will check. Morwen - Talk 20:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Right, the ordering Bjo's concordance (the updated version) uses is airdate, but with "The Cage" first, as episode 0. It considers both parts of "The Menagerie" to be episode 11. It also has weird production numbers. For the first season these are of the form

• "#6149-06", where -06 is the production number as we have it

For the second season, it has "5149-30" as the Desilu production number (for Catspaw), and also "#60330" - Catspaw is 030 as we have it. oddly catspaw is said to have "Story #51", which I've no idea where that comes from.

Looking at the third season, the first episode produced was "Spectre of the Gun", which gets the production code #60043-56, and story #92. These codes are bizarre. I'd advice we avoid them and just stick to sequential numbering. Morwen - Talk 19:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request Move

A Request Move affecting the naming of articles in this list is currently being conducted here. All opinions are welcome. --`/aksha 10:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Color Change

I made the change of colors that was used in the article to differentiate each season. Whomever came up with this idea: it was a good one! However, orange purple and green seemed a little out of place, so I changed the colors to match the colors that were used for the DVD cases shown in the article. --jpmck 16:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Good idea, however it looks a bit garish. Can they be toned down so they aren't as bright? Marky1981 18:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

You know, I was thinking of making that exact suggestion, as the orange/purple/green colors didn't make much sense to me either. I've tried to adjust the colors so that they're (a) slightly paler, and (b) slightly closer to the uniform colors (e.g., more gold than yellow for the first season), and (c) from the standard list of 219 "web-safe" colors (though I'm not sure how relevant that is nowadays). How do they look now? -- CWesling 09:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that it looks good. I thought about making them a little bit lighter myself, but noted that on the list for The Next Generation (I think) the colors were so light that it was difficult to differentiate between seasons when you are scrolling through at any higher speed. I was going to fix that too, but, I'm a University student, so I can't spend all day on here... :-) --jpmck 02:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)