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[edit] People with Serbian Ancestry

Sergej Barbarez (Serb-Father) for example?


I am feeling very uncomfortable having the link to that http://www.freesrpska.org website in the list of external links. For instance, this is what the page writes about general Ratko Mladić: Leader of the Serbian army in the defensive war that gave rise to the Republic of Srpska. It was the Army of Republic of Srpska, which heroically prevented mass slaughter of the Serbian population in former Bosnia and Herzegovina, the way it happened in the World War II. This is a grotesque falsification of history. This is just one example from a very extremist website. Moreover, that external link is now included in several other articles, and content is copied from the site (with permission, I know). I regard this as a severe damage to Wikipedia's respectability, if readers realise, that we are citing such a source. I would like to hear other opinions here. -- Cordyph 13:32, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)

That was simply the only such link I found. Now that most people from that link have their articles on Wikipedia, it could be erased from here. And about these other articles, if text about Mladic is wrong, other texts need not be, and the quality of articles will improve over time anyway, any mistakes or falsifications in them will be corrected. Nikola 13:50, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Another issue: Why is Leibniz included in this article? He was a Sorb, but what do Sorbs have to do with Serbs (apart from both being Slavic peoples)? -- Cordyph 13:32, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Sorbs=Serbs of Luzice. While Serbs of Balkan and Serbs of Luzice separated long ago, the link cannot hurt, as long as there is not a List of Sorbs. Serb rulers from the time of the separation will also be added to this page eventually... Nikola 13:50, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
On Talk:Sorbs someone wrote the following: The Sorbs are distant relatives of all other Slavic peoples, such as Russians, Czeks, Slovaks etc. But the Serbs belong to the south Slavs and the Sorbs to the west Slavs. Occasionally people confuse Sorbs from Germany with Serbs from Serbia, and many believe that because they sound alike they are directly related. I did not find any reference to Serbian origin on the Sorbian website http://www.sorben.com/ski. So where is your information from, that Sorbs and Serbs are of one origin? -- Cordyph 08:00, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
As he said, many believe that because they sound alike they are directly related. He didn't mean that they are wrong. Root of name "Serb" is unknown, but it is sure that it is not of Slavic nor of Germanic origin so the tribes must have had the name before their separation, though I'm not sure are there any other data that confirm the common origin. Note that somewhat northern of Serbs of Luzice White Serbs also exist(ed). The separation did happen some 1500 years ago, though :) If you feel that Leibnitz doesn't belong here, delete him. Nikola 15:07, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Could someone knowledgeable please edit this to change the diacritical marks? If someone were to click on one of the red links in order to create a new article, the resulting page would have a name with non-standard characters in it, and would be impossible to search for. RickK 02:36, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Here it is, almost done. Hope to help much more. Ninam 00:26, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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a link that could help your discussion (althow it is in serbian): http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-lu/istorija/sorovic-luzicani_l.html

two excerptions in serbian:

1st

Jan Skala, koji u svojoj pjesmi "Jugoslovenima" izražava bratsku ljubav i privrženost Lužičkih Srba prema našim narodima, i moli ih da pomognu njegov porobljeni narod u teškoj borbi za opstanak, oslobođenje i bolji život.

Početak te pjesme glasi:

"Braćo na jugu! Nema li u vas srca i duše koja bi gledala na Sjever, Tamo gdje se u njemačkom moru Bori mali narod Lužičkih Srba"

2nd

Naročitu nadu su polagali na bratsku Jugoslaviju. Jurij Rjenč, koji je svršio studije u staroj Jugoslaviji, dolazio je u Beograd. On je bio lijepo primljen i obećana mu je svesrdna pomoć A na Sveslovenskom kongresu u Beogradu je u proglasu rečeno:

"Mi ćemo da podržavamo jedni druge na političkom, ekonomskom i kulturnom polju i staraćemo se da ne propadne ni najmanji slovenski narod, da i najmanji naš čovjek sačuva svoj nacionalni opstanak, svoju nacionalnu kulturu i obezbijedi svoj nacionalni razvitak".

[edit] To do

I have collected a few links which list famous Serbs, people listed there should also be listed here:

  • http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:Pbu9m22zHisJ:serbian-canadian.org/ZnameSrbEng/ZnameSrbiUvodEng.htm+famous+Serbs&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 (done)
  • http://sane-boston.org/aboutserbs2.html (done)
  • http://www.euroamericans.net/Serbian.htm (done)
  • http://www.compuserb.com/nasa7-1.htm

Nikola

13:32, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Nikola 03:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ovaj spisak mi niako nije jasan. Sav je nepregledan i nekako skelpan. Ljudi potpuno razlicitih profesija i iz potpuno razlicitih perioda iztorije svrstani su u istu kategoriju. Ratni zlocinci iz zadnjeg rata i vojvode iz prvog svetskog rata zajedno. Onda uopste mi nije jasan onaj deo "conected to Serbs" pa naveden Luk Beson samo zatos to je bio u braku sa Milom Jovovic?!?!?! Kakve veze pa to ima s nama? Jos pride i svojatanje poznatih ljudi koji su (mozda) bili Luzicki Srbi... ovo mi sve deluje veoma pateticno... Kao nesto sto bi npr. Hrvatska iz Tudjmanovog doba radila. Zar nemamo dosta poznatih i priznatih ljudi koji su sigurno nasi koje mozemo da navedemo?

Spisak je u stalnoj izradi, i ako mislis da mozes da ga poboljsas, uradi to. Ljudi razlicitih profesija su jedni do drugih jer je spisak jos uvek relativno kratak. Ako bi izdvojio recimo posebno pesnike, posebno slikare itd. bilo bi mozda po 5 od svih u svakoj grupi i to ne bi imalo smisla. Iz istog razloga su i ljudi iz razlicitih istorijskih perioda zajedno, mozda bi resenje za taj problem bilo da se pored svakog coveka navedu datumi rodjenja i smrti. "Connected to Serbs" znaci upravo ono sto pise - ljudi licno povezani sa nekim Srbinom (Srpkinjom) ili sa Srbima i ne vidim zasto je lose imati spisak i njih, ili spisak ljudi koji su ucili srpski jezik, niko ne tvrdi da su oni Srbi. Mada su Luzicki Srbi mozda bili losa ideja. Svakako postoji mnogo vise poznatih Srba nego sto je na ovom spisku, ali pogledaj na primer spisak Bugara - mnogo je crven, hiljada ljudi od kojih deset ima clanke, i to stvara utisak da medju najpoznatijim Bugarima nema nesto mnogo poznatih ljudi. Zato ja mislim da ovaj spisak uglavnom treba da sadrzi ljude koji vec imaju svoje clanke nego da bude spisak svih poznatih Srba. Nikola 10:41, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] what about ceca ?

i think ceca is a must in the list of musicians ceca svetlana raznatovic, the famoust of the balkan

[edit] Pre Communist Politicans

Why is Svetozar listed as a comunist? Wouldn't a pre Comunist section be useful and then the Mixed section could be post communist?

[edit] Comments on the wiki-en list

I thoroughly enjoy your "Wikipedia" site. It's a great source of information and enlightenment. Being a Canadian, of Serbian descent, it's the cultural aspects that grab my attention. Not only for those that share my ethnic background. But, other groups as well. I'm assuming that my e-mail will be directed to the proper channels. On your "List of Serbs" page, there are a few glaring omissions I wish to bring to your attention. I, for the most part, have supplied links which clearly indicate the person's Serbian heritage. These names should be under "List of Serbs."

One name you can easily omit from the "List of Serbs" is that of actor John Malkovich. He's of Croatian ancestry. Not Serbian. Again, I hope this e-mail will be forwarded to the proper sources within "Wikipedia." Thanks so much for your time and patience. I look forward to a reply at your convenience. Cheers.

Michael D. Stojakovic Canada

Posted by Charles Matthews 15:04, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Charles. I verified and added all of them. Couldn't verify Mamula, but as it's known Serbian surname and all others were correct I added him too. Nikola 04:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Suspicious edit

[1] [2] [3] [4]

This series of edits is rather suspicious. I deleted the article to which it refered since it does not attempt to establish notability (and claims that the subject lives in New Jersey.) Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 20:28, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removing Ruđer Bošković from the article?

Could anyone explain the reasons for that? HolyRomanEmperor 18:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, his family is of Croatian origin, or so you say. Nikola 04:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I never said that... --HolyRomanEmperor 23:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

OK... what I've found about Ruđer Bošković, from various sites (many of them actually Croatian) such as [5], [6] [7] [8]:

  • His father, Nikola Bošković was a trader from Hercegovina who converted to Catholicism to marry Paula. His nationality is either omitted or specified as Serbian. I have found absolutely no information to the contrary (specifying that he was either something else or at least not Serbian).

That means that Ruđer Bošković had dual nationality - most definitely Italian and also something else, indicated as Serbian. This article is not about religious affiliations but national and citizenship. From that perspective it looks like he fits here as well as in other lists (e.g. List of Italians, where he is listed as "Ruggero Giuseppe Boscovich, (1711-1787), Serb-Italian physicist).

I'll put him back. I think whoever wants to remove him from the list should provide some proof and not just personal opinion. --Aleksandar Šušnjar 03:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Bošković had nothing whatsoever to do with Serbs or Serbia. Non-Serbian sites mention nothing about the whole thing. Serbian sites seem to parrot the official Serbian expansionist ideology. Should we say that the Soviets invented spaghetti because that was the official party line in the Soviet Union in the 1940's? Sorry. --Elephantus 12:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


You base your decisions on not having any information that you like. You attribute the information about Ruđer's father being a Serb to "official Serbian expansionist ideology" that does not exist. Find any official statement about this. You do not provide any information to the contrary at all and you limit your arguments to your personal dislike of the source of the information. Yet you do not stop there, you go and enforce your own agenda similar to the one you are trying to blame the others for - and modify even the List of Italians.

I know who Ruđer was, as a scientist. In past few days I also learned about his nationality. What is known:

  • His father was born in "Orahov Do". First name Nikola, last name Bošković. Does not say much, but probability-wise we already have the situation where he was more likely Serbian (by nationality) than anything else, as both names are significantly more common among Serbs than Croats based on my preliminary research (white pages).
  • He converted to Catholicism to marry his wife. That means he was likely either an Orthodox Christian or a muslim (less likely). This is also not definite but yet another increase in probability that we was Serbian as Serbs are typically orthodox and Croats are typically Catholic.
  • He wrote a book "Relaione dei Monasterij della Provincia di Rassia" (On the Montasteries of the Province of Rascia) about ancient Serbian Orthodox Monasteries. Having been a trader, writing this book shows considerable interest. Again, not a definite but another score increment for the "Serbian" option. He wrote the book in Italian.
  • You will probably claim that he was Croatian. Might have been. I am not disputing that at all. For example, Nikola's mother could have been Croatian. From that perspective I do not see a problem listing Nikola as both Serbian and Croatian, which would make Ruđer Serbian, Croatian and Italian. If we have to pick one, then he'd be Italian most likely. He lived and wrote in Italian. Otherwise I haven't seem a single trace of information (from any source) for him being Croatian.
  • Finally, do not use analogies you know yourself do not apply! And don't be "sorry" when you're apparently not - you just have your own agenda.

I am not going to engage in further edit wars, but this should be fixed. I will let someone else do this and maintain the article. List of Italians should also be fixed, probably by removing any comments next to the name - not needed there at all (I might just do this). Any further information or Ruđer will, eventually, find its way into the article about him. Controversy and discussions about his nationality will also be recorded forever.

--Aleksandar Šušnjar 16:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

There are several problems with the facts you enumerate:

  • Orahov Do is (or was before the inhabitants were driven out in 1991) a predominantly Croatian Catholic village
  • Both "Nikola" and "Bošković" are both Croatian and Serbian names. Plenty of Croats (especially in the south) and Serbs carry the names.
  • The alleged "conversion" was apparently a fabrication of the 1990's, with no historical sources to back it up.
  • Bošković father did not actually write anything himself, he rather told the story to Rigeputti.
  • Nikola Bošković was buried in the church of Dubrovnik Franciscans. Would have been a bit unusual for a recent convert to get such a burial.

--Elephantus 13:10, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Elephantus, do this once more and I'll ask for you to be blocked as a user. I found a good place for those people inside the article. See both the article intro and section title where they were put - "connected to serbs". Whether you like it or not, you seem to be also connected to Serbs considering your extreme interest in the list of serbs - maybe we should put you in there?

This is standard practice in all other lists and is not uncommon for this particular one. If you feel that only nationality should play a role in the list then go ahead and manage all other lists, beginning with the List of Croats - according to your principles you should remove from that list:

The place and controversy about nationality were clearly identified about Ruđer Bošković as well as about other non-Serbs mentioned in the article - much better than in the List of Croats. This article is perfectly NPOV. Do not damage it by narrowing it down to your personal one.

--Aleksandar Šušnjar 15:52, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A few removals

I removed a few football and basketball players because they are not the best representations of sports on this list, so they should probably just remain in the categories. If anyone thinks that all the players should be listed though then we can do that. Antidote 22:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe that this list should be exhaustive. One day, maybe we should make a list of famous Serbs, where only the most prominent people should be listed. Nikola 04:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I agree if I'm thinking the same thing you are. Antidote 20:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I also removed Marko Lopušina, because he's more of a journalist and less of an important writer. Antidote 22:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, he's an important journalist. Maybe there should be a subsection for journalists. Nikola 04:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

We could make a subsection for journalists, if there's enough. Antidote 20:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Double Listing

Bilal is both an director and a cartoonist but personally, I think he shouldn't be listed twice. Is he more famous for being a cartoonist or director? Antidote 22:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe that people should be listed in all categories in which they were important. For Example, Njegos should be listed as politician and poet, etc. Nikola 04:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
This is the only thing I disagree with. I think double listing is a bit extreme as the majority of people on here were famous in more than one field. To account for this, we can just put their other fields in parenthesis, like:

Bilal (director, cartoonist)

and only list them under one section though - the section they are most noted for. Antidote 20:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biographies

I wanted to make stubs for these two poets (Kosta Abrašević and Ratko Popovic) but am finding a hard time finding any biographical sources. Perhaps if so few exist, we should leave them off the list, unless ofcourse someone can provide a short article for them both. Thanks. Antidote 23:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Zoran Velimanović Is this a potential vanity addition? The guy is a successful artist, but is he successful enough for an article? If anyone knows anything, please post it here, otherwise I'll delete. Antidote 03:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major expansions

... by me! --HolyRomanEmperor 23:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need of Biography stub

  • Stefan Tenecki
  • Pavle Simić
  • Ljubica Sokić
  • Nebojša Đuranović
  • Aleksandar Bugarski
  • Longin (medieval icon painter)
  • Radul (medieval icon painter)
  • Ljuba Popović
  • Sava Rakočević
  • Hadži Ruvim Rafailo Nešković
  • Jovan Bijelić
  • Stevan Todorović
  • Mina Vukomanović Karadžić
  • Dimitrije Bačević
  • Hristifor Žefarović
  • Zaharije Orfelin
  • Anastas Jovanović
  • Arsen Teodorović
  • Dimitrije Popović
  • Nikola Aleksić
  • Jovan Popović
  • Pavle Simić
  • Miloš Tenković
  • Bogdan Miščević
  • Kosta Abrašević
  • Ratko Popović
  • Filip Nikolic - member of 2be3, French Boy Band
  • Alexandra Sladjana Milosevic (singer, composer, gitar player,musician...)
  • Petar Bingulac
  • Nikola Jeremić
  • Dimitrije Bačević
  • Vuk Kulenović
  • Kosta Manojlović
  • Dragan Kojić - Keba (singer}
  • Saint Slobodan Krstic
  • Ljubomir Nenadovic
  • Bojana Novakovic

[edit] Contemporary artists - Notability Check

  • Uroš Đurić

OK, notable, also famous by the role in "We Are Not Angels"

  • Šejma Prodanović

Seems OK according to Google

  • Aleksandrija Ajduković

Seems OK according to Google

  • Milan Aleksić contemporary?

Seems OK [9]

  • Paula Miklošević contemporary?

Seems OK according to Google. Married as Paula Muhr. [10]

  • Katarina Radović

Seems OK [11]

  • Branko Miljuš

OK, [12]

  • Milica Rakić

Seems OK. [13] Reviewed by Duja 13:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability Verified

Add names to this list that need an immediate article

[edit] Historical figures?

Why not include them into the List? --HolyRomanEmperor 01:33, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is Aria Giovanni Serbian?

Why is this porn actress listed here? The article about her doesn't say much about her ethnic background. There is a little hint beneath the picture in the box which claims she is of italian/yugoslavian/french/german ethnicity. 1) Yugoslavian doesn't mean Serbian. 2) Even if she were of serbian ancestry, she's not that important to be listed here. 3) I don't think she is listed as an important French or German celebrity (or whatever). 4) This might be a joke (and some anonymous fan likes to believe she might be of the same ethnicity). 5) Yes, she is pretty, but that's irrelevant ;-) So what shall we do? Keep her in the list?

I dont think she's Yugoslavian or how could I know... I haven't found anything on her ancestry, It must be a joke. But however Yugoslavian is almost always referred to Serbian?


She is clearly of Yugoslavian ancestery, it says so everywhere, she even said it on her website - her maternal grandmother was Yugoslavian, Aria is not sure if she a serbian or not

[edit] Add Constantine The Great

Even he was Roman Emperor, he was born in Naissus, Niš today.
City of Niš for its holiday took day of his pronouncing for saint.
...jos nesto,za Radovan i Ratka ovde su već neki rekli dosta,

nego maknite sa liste one dileje Legiju, Zvekija i onog malog što je ubio Anu Lind.

Ćega se pametan stidi, time se budala ponosi.

- Covece, ne pisi gluposti. Naslov glasi "List of Serbs". Kakve veze ima Konstantin Veliki sa Srbima? Iako se rodio u mestu koje se nekad zvalo "Naissus" (danasnji Nis), on sigurno ne moze da bude Srbin. Rimljani su bili na Balkanu dok su se Srbi jos smrzavali po uralskim pecinama. Da su Srbi kojim slucajem stigli do Bliskog Istoka i tamo naselili svoja plemena, dali bi Isus onda bio Srbin? Nemoj, molim te, da nas brukas...

- Konstantin Veliki spada u listu važnih ljudi koji su imali veze sa Srbijom, pa i Srbima, jer 300 hiljada Srba, gradjana Niša slavi slavu Svetog Cara Konstantina i Carice Jelene kao svoju gradsku slavu i ponosni su na to što se u njihovom gradu rodio jedan od najvećih Rimskim Imperatora. Kamo sreće da je to državni praznik, jer malo je zemalja u svetu koje su imale čast da se na njihovoj teritoriji rodi neki od Imperatora.

- - Sve je to lepo. Ali on ipak nije bio Srbin, jer su se Srbi tek kasnije naselili na tom prostoru. Svaka cast Nislijama sto ga slave, samo zasto bi trebala cela Srbija da ga slavi? Sta je on uradio za Srbe? Koju je on to vezu imao sa Srbima? Kao sto sam pises, on je bio rimski imperator koji se rodio na teritoriji danasnje Srbije. Ali u ono vreme to je bio deo rimskog carstva a ne Srbija, posto u to vreme nije bilo Srba na tim prostorima, a kamoli neka drzava/kraljevina ili bilo sta pod imenom "Srbija". Za vreme njegovog rodjenja niko na Balkanu nije ni znao ko su ili sta su Srbi. Jednostavno, jer nisu bili tu. Prema tome ja ne vidim zasto bi on spadao u listu poznatih Srba. Izvini, ali ne razumem tvoju argumentaciju...

Neither is Nikola Tesla a Croat - he was just simply born in what is today Croatia (note that it was not Croatia at the time when he was born there), but you can find him on the List of Croats. This Wikipedia is a Croatian-Bosniak-and-Albanian-nationalism-supporting shame and a bad joke. --Djordje D. Bozovic 11:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ALI G IS SERBIAN!!!

It says on his page that his father is a Serbian Jew originally from Wales, not the ALi G Character, but the person that plays it, Sacha Bacon Cohen, but he's a nut anyway

And one of his three Characters BORAT who is from Kazakhstan was originally an Albanian,



[edit] A Few More prominent Serbs

Zora Andrich - a girl that had won the heart of the Average Joe Millionare Dude - the TV show screened some 2 years ago all over the world. Danica Patrick - Nascar only women driver. And the fellow that shot the B-117 over Budjanovci in 1999.

Rudjer Boskovic is missing, as well as Marin Drzic and Ivan Gundulic. And I also couldn't find Ivo Andric, and that is far more terrible and unbelievable. --Djordje D. Bozovic 00:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
User:Ante Perkovic has reverted my edit when I put Ivo Andric on the list. I find this a very big vandalism supported by his nationalism and serbophobia. --Djordje D. Bozovic 15:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
... or you could say I was just reverting the wrong information. No need for big, TV-Belgrade-styled words here. Andric is born as a Croat and later declared as Serb for due to his political opinions. I could declare myself to ce Chiuaua because I disagree with the human race, but that doesn't make me a Chiuaua. --Ante Perkovic 23:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually it does. Such a vandalistic behaviour of yours in deed makes you an animal, not a rational human being.
And what about List of Croats? Is Nikola Tesla a Croat. Nope! Is Rade Serbedzija a Croat? Nope! Well, you can certainly find both of them (and much more Serbs) there. Obviously, List of Croats collects not only Croats, but people connected to Croats or Croatia as well. Now, how come that is not possible for the list of Serbs, too, Mr Chiuaua? --Djordje D. Bozovic 11:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, let's skip reporting this frustrated user for calling me names.. . Nikola Tesla and Rade Šerbeđija were born in Croatia (not the republic of Croatia but in their predecesors, of course). The birthplace or anything else of the people you mentioned (Andrić, ...) had nothing to do with Serbia. So, there is a difference. Of course, if you choose to believe that Serbia is much bigger than it actually is, then there is no difference. --Ante Perkovic 06:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Really? Perhaps my browser is crazy, but somehow it keeps showing the title List of SERBS here. Not Serbians. Not people born in Serbia. Not people that Djordje D. Bozovic thinks or tends to believe that they are Serbs or something similar. But simply - List of Serbs. And, of course, there are Serbs, and there always were, who don't live in Serbia, nor they descend from it in any way. But, guess what - they are Serbs (or something similar)!!! Despite that they were maybe born in what many years afterwards became the Republic of Croatia. And if now you believe that Serbia is the only native country of all the Serbs (and something similar), than the POV is with you. --Djordje D. Bozovic 17:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ruđer Bošković not a Serb

Hi,

I removed Ruđer Bošković from the article. There are no proofs whatsoever that he was a Serb. If there are, please state it here. In the meantime, please keep it out of the article. --Ante Perkovic 06:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hm, and why don't you keep it IN the article until you prove that he was NOT a Serb? Ha? --Djordje D. Bozovic 17:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Because it is the responsibility of those who would include an assertion to provide a source. Since Boscovitch was a Jesuit from Ragusa, it had better be an excellent source. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naughtia Childs

Porn actress, her name is Megan Serbian, weird

[edit] Slobodan Milosevic

An ethnic Montenegrin, Yugoslav by nationality. Could someone put sources that he belongs here? --PaxEquilibrium 20:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

-Serb from Montenegro, former Yugoslav by nationality - Serb nationalist - are you kidding me? (you can find sources in every page about Milosevic that he was serb?)


--Nexm0d

Many call him a Serb, but that he was not. There is no direct evidence - an ethnic Montenegrin and Yugoslav by nationality. And he was not a Serbian nationalist like many think (he used Serbian nationalism to attain power, though). Give sources. --PaxEquilibrium 12:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Filmmaker Cuicntiz Niter?

Who is Cuicntiz Niter? Some kind of joke? I deleted this. If I'm wrong, give an explanation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.133.219.243 (talk) 14:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

Well since montenegrins are serbs then milosevic was serb to

- This commentary has nothing to do with the one above. So please, next time you want place your opinion, put it to the right subject. --80.133.209.136 17:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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