Talk:List of Quakers

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[edit] Dup?

We already have a list at the main Quaker article. Do we have enough references to individaual quakers to nessecitate a seperate list? Lyellin 14:18, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Who to List

What about Joan Baez? She was raised a Quaker and was obviously influenced by the Peace Testimony. Logophile 14:26, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I would suggest either going with how people choose/chose to identify personally, or create a separate section for other people "affiliated" with Quakerism (although that could become a slippery slope). I don't believe that Joan Baez identifies herself as Quaker, so I would leave her off (unless I'm wrong on that detail). --Ahc 15:13, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
According to [1], "as an adult she claimed not to share her parents' Quaker faith." Sdedeo 19:31, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Edward Backhouse was a forger. I'm not sure he should be in a list of Quakers, as his actions are not consistent with Quaker beliefs. Logophile 10:16, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Nor were the most notable of Richard Nixon's, but I think it's clear that he should be listed. I don't think it make sense to start trying to argue who is and is not a good enough Quaker to be listed, I feel we would quickly loose neutrality. --Ahc 15:05, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I take your point and agree with you. I retract my prior comment. Logophile 12:48, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The Lyndon LaRouche article includes information that LaRouche was raised as a Quaker, which is in his official biographical information. LaRouche sought and obtained a conscientious objector status in WWII, but then changed his mind and enlisted. A researcher in Quaker history recently found records of the LaRouche family's involvement in the Lynn (Massachussetts) Monthly Meeting. Within 5 years of moving to the community, at the age of 18, LaRouche's conduct was discussed by the congregation at a quarterly meeting, apparently for slandering other members, among other charges. After further discussions he was "disowned" sixteen months later, and the rest of his family resigned in protest. I am not a Quaker myself, and I do not know what "disownment" is. It sounds like a removal from the congregation. -Willmcw 21:57, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
External link: The disownment of Lyndon LaRouche Austin Meredith, 2005, Brown University, the Kouroo Contexture: The History of Quakerism (PDF)

I think we should consider some guidelines for this list. A few of the people on it did not remain Quakers. Elisha Gray, for instance, became a Presbyterian. Logophile 20:28, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Any suggestions for the guidelines? In a couple articles I've worked on the past, someone would propose a set of guidelines, and others would edit until a final set emerged. --Ahc 13:57, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if I agree with that suggestion. Is it proposed to limit the list to those who never left the faith? Who maintained membership in a meeting their whole lives? That would be a much less interesting list. -Willmcw 23:15, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
To be clear. I didn't mean to suggest that Elisha Gray should come off. I think the idea of guidelines is a good idea. --Ahc 15:26, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
I brought it up because Ahc had earlier advised not putting Joan Baez on the list because we do not know if she still considers herself a Quaker. If we don't put her on the list, then Gray, who became a Presbyterian, would not qualify for the same reason. Here's what I propose. Let's divide the list into two parts. Part 1 (Quakers) is people who were born and raised as Quakers or joined a Meeting and never left or were disowned. Part 2 is People with Quaker Roots. The only other alternative I can imagine is putting anybody on the list who was ever a Quaker. I could go along with that, too. Logophile 18:53, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
That's a logical distinction and I'd support it. -Willmcw 20:45, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
How about a Third Part: Quakers Who Were Disowned? It would include a wide variety of people: from [Betsy Ross] to Isaac Hopper (an abolitionist who was disowned by New York City Friends in the 19th Century) to Lin Marcus/aka [Lyndon LaRouche]. Might give an interesting picture of what kinds of behavior Friends of different eras thought were just going too far! -- Rich Accetta-Evans January 6, 2006
I think it would make the page too complicated. I think the current scheme is best, but I won't stand in the way of somebody else's adding a section like that. I think the various Quakers who have been disowned could be put in Quaker history, if the sourcing is good. Logophile 06:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Logophile. I think this would add too much complexity to the list. --Ahc 04:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olaf Stapledon

Olaf Stapledon? --Eric Forste 21:28, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Uh no. I've read several biographies of him for the work I'm doing and he was pretty solidly agnostic. Before their friendship totally broke off he told H. G. Wells that "people actually think I've become a Christian", in kind of a mixture of disgust and amusement. Towards the end of his life he said if he'd be any kind of religion he'd be Quaker, but then went on to say how he felt they failed in certain areas.--T. Anthony 15:56, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Christopher Fry

Someone just forwarded me something that purports to be the the Economist obituary of playwright Christopher Fry. The obituary calls the playwright "a Christian and a Quaker". --Eric Forste 00:22, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Klaus Fuchs

Does Klaus Fuchs belong on this list? I am not aware of any evidence that he was a Quaker. I will not remove him until after giving anyone with more information a chance to respond. -- Rich Accetta-Evans January 6, 2006

[edit] The Pease Family

I recently discovered a big error in this list. Edward Pease was not the first Quaker member of Parliament. His son Joseph was. The mistake was probably based on a website that used an ambiguous "he" meaning the son but leading someone to think it was the father. We need to be on the lookout for other places where this might need to be corrected.

Also, the two Edward Peases are said by one website to be related, which I think is probably true. It would be nice to find that relationship and point it out. Logophile 12:31, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I took a look at the LDS's genealogy search engine, which does list both men, but I couldn't find direct ties. I've mostly used them in the past to track American Quakers which often goes better (they have reviewed much of the meeting minutes in various archives and so have surprisingly complete data), but that does not seem to be as carefully done for British Friends (I could think of several reasons for this). But a lack of a connection (particullary in 1 data source) is hardly evidence that there isn't one. --Ahc 14:38, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cheryl Tiegs

I can't find a source yet and won't put her name in unless/until I can find one, but I have a notion that Cheryl Tiegs is or at one time described herself as a Friend. Does that ring any bells with anyone? Dpbsmith (talk) 13:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Lifetime TV says "Raised on a farm in rural Minnesota with no running water or electricity, Tiegs cherished her idyllic surroundings and the meditative quality of her family's Quaker faith." Apparently a birthright Quaker, anyway. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Roger Fry's sisters

I have added Joan Mary and Margery Fry to the list, as they were Quakers (Roger was not, I think) and have merited entried in ODNB. If no-one else wants to tackle these Redlinks, I'll probably get down to condensing the ODNB articles and googling around sometime before Christmas (year not specified)

Vernon White 22:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John L.P. Maynard Quaker Bagpiper and humorist and early silent spokesperson for Quaker Minimalism.

Any action on this dubious entry? ---Vernon White 07:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC) _____________

This entry removed and article page marked for deletion. Entry for William Martin "Actve Quaker naturist" removed as non-Notable. ---Vernon White (talk) 14:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC) _____________

[edit] David W. Dennis, congressman (R-Ind.)

I note that this person received a Quaker education. Does that make him a Quaker, please? === Vernon White (talk) 12:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

No, attending a Friends school does not make a person Quaker. Most people that attend Friends schools are not Quakers. --Ahc 13:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
No, I don't think he can have been a very active Quaker after he left Earlham. Friend of Nixon, though. I'll remove him from the List of Quakers.=== Vernon White (talk) 14:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joshua Humphreys, ship builder, 1751-1838

If this person is "The Father of the American Navy" then he is unlikely to have remained a Quaker, although it is stated (Famous Americans website) that his grandfather was a Quaker settler from Wales.

[edit] John Lawrence, Suffolk Yeoman Farmer

Doesn't seem to be much point in having this entry, if nothing more is known of him. Does the editor who added him to the list intend to write an article, please?=== Vernon White (talk) 22:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Now removed from list === Vernon White (talk) 00:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
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