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[edit] To do

  • Create tables for all episodes.
    • 280+ episodes is too large for one page, split it into seperate pages after this page gets too big (32K?, 50K?).
    • Make this page conform with Template:Episode list.
  • Create entries for all episodes.
    • Translated Japanese name, Japanese airdate, number.
    • Screenshot. Because of fair use requirements each image should identify a key moment in the story, or show something else important and unique to the episode.
    • Image caption. For our fair use justification, each image should have an accompanying caption that explains the images' subject.
    • Short summaries. Summaries should be 2-3 lines long, so that they don't expand their table box. Longer summaries should have a good episode page created for them.
  • Episode pages.
    • Infobox with screenshot.
    • Sections. At least these three: 1) Identifying lead paragraph, 2) "Plot" section, 3) "External links" with link to tv.com, imdb.com, etc. page about the episode.
    • Template:One Piece general at the bottom.
    • Add differences between the Japanese and US versions. See here.
Feel free to modify and discuss this to do list. - Peregrinefisher 06:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] General

You're doing a good job. Congratulations on a succesful covering of One Piece so far! I didn't know where to send my fanmail, so I just added my admiration here instead.

[edit] Translations

While I understand that most fo these names are rought translations or were possibly done by one place and copied here, the G8 arc and probably all the non dub ones after it are are incorrect. I will be updating them to more-correct translations to match the way the rest of the ones in the article was translated, and if someone else could do the same for the Davy Back Fight and beyind, that wouldbe nice. I will be using KF's subs, since the rest of the article used them.

[edit] Incomplete

The page is just this... Also, all the links to individual arcs and episodes are of poor standards. Angel Emfrbl 20:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

... So, exactly what do you suggest to do? Sigmasonic X 01:47, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode Summaries

I think that we should move the episode summeries the Original names, and use the facts as they where presented in the original, pointing out the changes made, after all, look at how many episodes 4kids skipped, altered, meshed together, Et Cetera, Et Cetera. And because 4kids altered so many episodes, I do not believe them a reliable source. I will bring this up in them main One Piece discussion page(Justyn 23:46, 1 October 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Let's make it like List of Outlaw Star episodes

I think the formatting on this page makes it very hard to find what you're looking for. We should make this page look like other episode lists such as this or this. It would be a huge make over, and require a lot of discussion to decide how to do it. - Peregrinefisher 07:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spiffy new tables

I've started to convert this page over to spiffy Template:Episode list tables. What I would love is to tag team this page. I can do summaries, tables or screenshots if someone will share the work with me. - Peregrinefisher 07:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Definitely don't like the idea of tables

Uh, it was way better and much simpler without the tables. Renegade78 00:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

This the standard way of doing episode lists on wikipedia. See Template:Episode list. - Peregrinefisher 00:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia has chosen various episode lists as the best lists that wikipedia has to offer, see here. They all follow a standard format. - Peregrinefisher 00:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
If you guys want to go ahead and change the format that's fine (I'll even help you do it, if you'd like.) But PLEASE keep the original episode titles. It's much better. - Jrinu 00:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Please help, this thing is huge! I think the original titles is a good idea. I was just using what was already there. We should fix the external links so it links to something with the originals. - Peregrinefisher 18:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, if you can add summaries, I can add screenshots, although I'm out of town this week. And there are a few more individual pages that need to be linked to. Find them here. - Peregrinefisher 18:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
You got it, I'll certainly help. I was going to do the Baratie arc, but since that already seems to be a work in progress, I'll get started on the Arlong Arc ...eventually. - Jrinu 22:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
How come you're using the US airdate rather than the original airdate? Especially given the fact that the episode titles are the Japanese titles. The Splendiferous Gegiford 21:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I'll start changing them. It's a large project, and originally a bunch of the names were the US names. I think the best way it to use Japanese names and dates on the list page, but include both in the individual episode pages. Feel free to help change them. - Peregrinefisher 22:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Epsiode number in front of title

We should make the table so that the episode number is in front of the title. Renegade78 23:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

This is the standard way of doing a list of episodes. See Template:Episode list. We're trying to make all the episode lists on wikipedia look the same. - Peregrinefisher 18:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
The standard should be changed then, starting with One Piece. Besides, the Fullmetal Alchemist episode list has the episode number in front. Why can't One Piece have it like that aswell? Renegade78 01:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Version handling

Isn't Wikipedia's anime policy that the English version takes priority over the Japanese one? Matty-chan 05:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

It can't in this case because of this. As seen here a great number of the Japanese episodes have been cut and spliced together to make completely original English episodes either because of censorship reasons or etc. Some of them did not air in English and most don't even have an English version to source from since the Japanse is still going and the dub is way behind. It is best to use the Japanese version for this list. There used to be a list here cronicling the English Episodes but a troll blanked all that informaton.
Because of reasons specified above, a list of dub episode titles should be incorpirated in the episode list. It means making another long episode list but it is necessary so people who want to know the titles of the english dub version or want to know where the English dub is currently at can refer to it.
Maybe it is feasible to keep both episode list in parallel on the same page, like in One Piece Episode Comparison Guide? After all, most episodes match 1 to 1. Pro: One page only, more info for users. Con: Require creative advanced table use, reduced width per entry. If not, it would be good to still have a simplified comparison table.... but where, in US version page? Musaran 19:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] World Gov. Saga Off-center

The title for the world government saga in the table of contents is off-center. Anyone gonna fix that? Renegade78 19:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Pictures

Wow, many of the pictures on this page are completely random o_0. Shouldn't they relate more to the actual episodes instead of having, say, a picture of the Usopp Pirates looking shocked during the episode where Luffy defeats Kuro and recruits Usopp, or a picture of Richie the lion for the episode where the Straw Hats escape Loguetown and set off for the Grand Line? Heck, do we even need pictures in the first place? Sigmasonic X 21:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the pictures should illustrate some unique aspect of the episode. I added that picture of Usopp's crew, and I chose it becuase it's the episode where they get a lot of screentime. If you think a different picture would illustrate what's going on better, feel free to change it. As far as the lion picture goes, there are a number of images that should be replaced. - Peregrinefisher 21:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Started filling in the screenshots which are not there. Btw, some of those screenshots that are already there are kinda random so im gonna try and replace them as i go.Peppersalt 22:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Good work on the screenshots, but we need summaries to go with each screenshot to meet Wikipedia:Fair use requirements. Someone will eventually delete them, if they're by themselves. Apparently it's easy to find people to take screenshots, but hard to find people to write summaries. Someone who added like 20 screenshots a couple of weeks ago has already had their's deleted. - Peregrinefisher 17:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A BIG Warning!

I've just notice we have 'edits' done to each episode. I hate to say it guys... They have to go. One of the things once upon I asked about when I first started doing edits to One Piece was in the reaches of having such things on the pages. This was on the Anime/Manga adaptions things, when they were on the front page. The result I got back was that this is our Own Research... Something we CAN'T have on Wikipedia... However, we CAN link to sites that supply it.

We have them on the Adpations page, a brief description of things that are altered and removed... This is our limit. I hate to be the barer of bad news, but they can't stay. If you've got them there because somewhere else has them, then that somewhere else shouldn't have them either.

Either way... The outcome (don't hate me for this) is I'm gonna go around and get rid of those. I'm not going to do this until tomorrow though, see what everyone's reply is. But we need to reframe from these such things in future. If one of the non-One Piece Wikipedians say this and new about the whole 'own research thing' they'd do the same take this is mind... And if ever there is a discussion on these pages, someone might grasp at it. Angel Emfrbl 19:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Aren't these edits things that can be easily verified by looking at the two versions? - Peregrinefisher 21:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't matter what they are - They have to go. They can stay in one particulaur form, but its along the lines of what was written in the Adaptions page... But that page itself leans towards anti-4Kids and its impossible to keep these articles neutral if we change things to that.
Basically, write a paragraph of a FEW general note worthy edits written at the most, but don't go into what we've done on pages like this one. That crossing the lines into our own research and observations. As I said, we can link to sites with that stuff on but we can't write up all up ourslves. I've actually mentioned this a few times in the past one the One Piece main page and other pages since I learnt of it. O.o' Angel Emfrbl 22:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Would you explain to me what part of Wikipedia:No original research we are violating. It doesn't seem to match any of the bullets about What is excluded. You say write a few, but either it violates WP:NOR, in which case they all go, or it doesn't, in which case they can stay (if they are verifiable). - Peregrinefisher 22:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... All I know is when I put this idea up before I got told what I was told. Otherwise we'd have had something like this up a long time ago. Trust me on this note, I'm not lying. You can look through the past discussions to find my questions if you want to do that. Angel Emfrbl 22:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Can you tell me where these discussion are? - Peregrinefisher 02:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
There is a lot of discussions to go through to find it. IF I find it. This was several months back so give me a week to find it. I'm not sure where it is now. Right now, I have to fix a small crisis. Angel Emfrbl 19:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Take your time and thanks for working to make this page better. - Peregrinefisher 19:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Still haven't found it, but I haven't looked yet. Been busy with another site... @_@ Angel Emfrbl 21:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Text in images

I'd just like to say, those images with the sub texting across them just look bad. They should all be replaced ASAP. Its not difficult to get a image without text from an episode. Angel Emfrbl 21:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The article is about the episode, not the fansub. If we want them replaced with a better image, we need to remove them or else no one will upload a new one. - Peregrinefisher 23:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split off english dub list

I'm going to split off the english dub names because the page is getting too long. I'm trying to decide on the page name. Maybe List of One Piece (US) episodes or List of One Piece dubbed episodes or List of One Piece episodes (English) or something else. Anyone have an opinion? - Peregrinefisher 18:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

"List of One Piece episodes (US edition)". It keeps the current article name structure. It highlights the reason for being separate: different cut/episoding (remember to explain this). It does not get in the way of possible other editions (there could be a GB english one). It follows the wiki disambiguation rules. But before spliting, please look at "Version handling" diszcussion. Musaran 19:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saga, Season, Arc grouping?

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject List of Television Episodes/structure recommends to have episodes grouped by season, each having a different color-coding (example 1, example 2).
One piece is currently divided in arcs, arcs being grouped in sagas. Fansub community usually goes with seasons, I suppose One Piece is sold as season packs too, so seasons are not just production concern and I think we need them too.
As far as I know seasons includes full arcs but sagas can overlap seasons, so I suppose a grouped color scheme would do, like green for season 1, light green for arc 1, dark green for arc 2, etc.
Season episodes: 1-61, 62-77, 78-92, 93-130, 131-143, 144-195, 196-219, 220-263. Musaran 21:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Ugh... Arabasta arc starts with episode 92, last in season 3. No clean borders after all, unless 92 is considered an interlude or introduction.Musaran 09:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good edit?

Whas this a good edit? - Peregrine Fisher 09:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd say so. We really don't need the summaries to be that long. The Splendiferous Gegiford 16:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template messes up after a certain number

The Template:Episode list messes up after a certain number. I think we've hit that number. We may want to start thinking about breaking this page up. - Peregrine Fisher 19:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I've brought this up on Template talk:Episode list. We may have to change to a different template. The Splendiferous Gegiford 19:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
The page is 100kb long and it will get bigger when all the summaries are finished. I'm thinking we could break it up like List of One Piece episodes (xyz arc) or something. I'm going out of town, but I can do it in a week, or someone can be bold and just go for it. Or we could just make a table that looks like the template, and use it for eps past 297 or whatever. I think that will work. - Peregrine Fisher 19:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Done. Copy the format I stuffed in and you can bypass the problem. It doesn't have the same height spacing as the episode list template outputs, but I can't accurately copy the effect. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] One hour specials

Where do the one hour One Piece specials fit in? Are they included in this page because I didn't see them. Or at least I did not see "Boss Straw Hat Luffy's detective story" is it part of the main episodes? I heard there are other one hour specials. Am I missing something? 69.141.78.155 21:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chopper vs. Wiper and other names

Is it Chopper or Wiper? We should decide all the correct name we want to use, then find/replace them all with the correct version. - Peregrine Fisher 20:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Eh? What are you talking about? The Splendiferous Gegiford 20:21, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Some of the summaries refer to Chopper (that's how I know his name) as Wiper. I think it's because some fan subs use Chopper, and some use Wiper. For instance, episode 164 "Light the Fire of Shandia! Wiper the Warrior" uses both. - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Peregrine Fisher (talk • contribs) 20:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
They are two different characters... Wiper and Chopper isn't a conflict of translations at all. Angel Emfrbl 23:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode Images

As you're probably aware, there's an image for each episode. That makes 300 images, one for each episode. However, this does little to nothing to aid the article. Personally, I have never seen a single episode of One Piece. To those that would like to find out more about One Piece, the images do not help at all.

Furthermore, you have to keep in mind that Wikipedia is accessed by users from all around the world, with their Internet connection varying in quality. For those whose connections aren't up to par, the images take FOREVER to load. I'm safe to estimate that each image is around 20KB, so 300 of those images is 600KB. That is beyond insane for a page, when it is recommended for a Wikipedia page to be shortened or split into another article when a page exceeds 32KB. graphitesmoothie (talk | contributions) 05:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

This article will be split some day, it's at the top of the to do list above, but I would prefer that you leave it until it's done. Also, some pages just tend to be large. List of South Park episodes (a featured list) has 150 images and summaries, and it's been determined to be an example of the best work that wikipedia has to offer. It's probably time to start talking about how we will split this up, when we do, though.- Peregrine Fisher 05:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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