Talk:List of Neon Genesis Evangelion episodes

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Contents 1 Screenshots 2 Detail 3 I don't need sleep! I have Evangelion! 4 Episode articles 5 Episode titles

[edit] Screenshots

Where applicable, I'll be replacing the screenshots next to each episode with ones which actually appear in the episode (for instance, the Episode 1 picture depicts a scene that's not in the episode itself at all). For the others, I'll replace them with higher-resolution shots. --Tony Myers 03:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Remember, higher-resolution is not always better, since these will have to be used under fair use, and low-resolution is one of the criteria for being acceptable under fair use. --Gwern (contribs) 18:10 28 January 2007 (GMT)

I am already aware of that. But would a resolution of, say, 800x450 still qualify as fair since it is not DVD quality? If not, I'll scale them down. --Tony Myers 07:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

As you might guess, it's kind of hard to say. To be a little paranoid and absolutely safe, I think VHS quality would be as high as one would want to go - for our purposes that might even be overkill, since you're just using thumbnails, right? --Gwern (contribs) 07:19 28 January 2007 (GMT)

They are automatically thumbnailed in the article, but clicking on the images takes you to full-size ones. I only updated the last two pictures in the article so far, and some of the DVD-captured pictures already in the article (such as the one used for episode 9, which is 704x480) are pretty much at the same resolution I'm using for my shots (PNG format, ≈640x480 pixels). In short, I understand where you're coming from, and I'm just trying to make sure people can see what's going on without having absolute reference-quality shots. --Tony Myers 07:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Best to get this stuff out of the way early rather than at peer review or something. --Gwern (contribs) 18:12 28 January 2007 (GMT)

When I created the guide, I was only able to use whatever images were already on Wikipedia, to insert them into the image slot for each episode. As I only used what was on hand, they usually don't fit too well (ep 1 image is actually from ep 7, some episodes I really could find no pic for and had to improvise, etc.) I was intentionally just doing this so they would be "placeholders", until better images could be found. Thanks. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 19:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Detail

What level of detail do we want to go into with regard to the episode summaries? I was planning on rewatching the series (sooner or later), and so it wouldn't be hard for me to do some nice detailed plot summaries - but I don't want to bother with all the writing if people are just going to remove them or hack them down to 2 or 3 sentences while screaming "Cruft!". --Gwern (contribs) 18:12 28 January 2007 (GMT)

My goal in creating this page was, ultimately, to make individual articles on each episode, once the guide had been firmly established. Evangelion was one of the most popular and influential animes of all time, and there is a wealth of detail within each episode, so I think this is justifiable. However, I was going to wait a while just to make sure the "smoke had cleared", as it were, and no one was going to delete the new episode guide I wrote up (in a hurry, might I had) out of hand. Hey, if the half hour animated tv show "The Simpsons" gets to have individual episode articles, so does Evangelion. All is in preparation for the eventual Live Action Movie Trilogy and Rebuild of Evangelion, which will spark renewed interest in the story. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 20:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I don't need sleep! I have Evangelion!

At long last, each episode has its very own picture. Not to sound artsy-fartsy, but I tried to find ones which best illustrate the episodes in question. This meant both refurbishing some pictures (correcting aspect ratio, etc.) and taking new ones. This took a long-ass time to do, but it was kind of fun, and I even found a place for some of the most defining/classic shots in the series, like the rather creepy image of Naoko's chalk outline. Coming up, I'll work on correcting lots of stuff in the episode descriptions themselves, but it is 1:29 A.M. where I live (U.S. Central Time) and I am going to bed. Tony Myers 07:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

They're great; might play around with them a bit (the pics don't show any of the Angels, but I think a pic of Eva 03 would be good; hey you know what would be a great shot? Right after Eva 01 is reactivated with the dummy plug, and Eva 01 and Eva 03 both have their hands around each others throats and are trying to strange each other. Otherwise fine. Now my true motive and hidden agenda is revealed: tomorrow I'm going to write up a full episode guide. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 11:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I had thought about that too (and actually, some of them do show the Angels featured in the episode). It's a nice "action" shot, but in the end and for the purposes of a one-shot-per-episode episode guide, I felt that the fight against EVA-03/Bardiel was secondary to Shinji's conflict; he's at the seat of a horrible power, one with the potential to end a human life, and has no control over it. Similarly, I didn't want to have a picture of EVA-00 holding the positron rifle or tossing the Lance of Longinus in Episode 22, because ultimately the episode is about Asuka. I'm not trying to project my interpretation of the show; I'm just focusing on the directly observable plot elements. On the Angel (Neon Genesis Evangelion) page, however, there's a pretty nice shot of EVA-03 strangling EVA-01 with its stretched-out arms. As for the episode guide, I'll let you go ahead with that, and I'll gladly proofread/revise it when you're done. Tony Myers 20:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I really liked the Eva 03 strangling Eva 01 pic, that's why I added it back, and I thought it was hard to tell what the entry plug image was, but then again its kind of smaller and hard to see when sized down that small (only closeups really work) so I guess it would be best not to reuse it. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 04:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I may decide to replace the "01's hand clutching the entry plug" with something similar to the picture you suggested, but for the time being I'd prefer it be left as is. For one thing, the above-usual quality of the "strangling" picture suggests that it came from a promotional image (however much its resemblance to a similar image from the episode) instead of a real screencap. I'm sorry if my reasoning seems rash, and I admit that I overreacted to your edit, but it isn't my wish to get into an edit war with you over this kind of thing. I'll look into whether a screencap of the strangling scene would be workable. Also, as for the pic from End with the mass-produced Evangelion that you asked about, I can make a wallpaper-ready version. What are the dimensions of your computer display? Tony Myers 06:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh no everything's fine. Standard 800x600. In other news, I have gone off the deep end and am growing a Gendo beard. They've got to cast that live action movie sometime...--Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 07:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode articles

Hi. I see that somebody has started making episode articles. Are there active plans for them to contain more information that that which is shown in the edit summary? If not, then there is no need for individual episode articles. See List of Planetes episodes for example, or Talk:List of RahXephon media to see what I'm about.--GunnarRene 21:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes. I was just trying to get the ball rolling, as it were, hoping others would pitch in. I'll be filling in more info soon. This may take several days. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 21:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Those two lists may be featured, but they suck horribly as articles. What's wrong with having a list pointing to individual fully fleshed out articles using our old friend {{main}}, in the best summary style? --Gwern (contribs) 23:01 6 February 2007 (GMT)

1. If they suck, then please suggest improvements, or list them to be de-featured (Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates. Wait a while with the RahXephon list though, since it's been recently featured).
2. There's nothing wrong with fleshed-out articles, as long as they are more than ust a plot summary, and that they actually contain more information than what was in the list. (See Pilot (House), although even that article has a lot more plot summary than I like.)
3. The summary and image are in the list to help identify episodes and give an overview of the series. Having this episode list too in the media article would have worked if not for the vast amount NGE media.--GunnarRene 23:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

"suck horribly as articles". They're fine as lists which treat each entry in minimal detail as lists should (if I had problems with them, I would've said so. I watch all the RahXephon articles even if it's hard for me to keep up with what you do and figure out where you are removing stuff and where you're just changing and moving stuff around). I'm objecting to your suggestion that a list, limited by design, can ever substitute entirely for actual articles. And what's wrong with having a good plot summary? More than that would certainly be closer to the ideal, but we're not playing zero-sum games here, where a plot-heavy article is worse than none at all. --Gwern (contribs) 00:54 7 February 2007 (GMT)

I gave it an "A-6 treatment" and started basic episode guide pages for the first 6 episodes. I need fuller Plot summaries, as well as any new trivia or notes which might be helpful. These are far from the finished form. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 12:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode titles

Due to the translation, some episode titles are in full capitals. However, I'm guessing now that manual of style will win out over this? --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 16:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the Anime Wikiproject's MOS (which stipulates that whatever the official episode names are should be the article name) prevail over the more general MOSs? --Gwern (contribs) 17:45 19 March 2007 (GMT)

Thanks, if that is indeed the case, I will revert them back to what they were. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 06:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Please explain how the translation affects the capitalisation. Please give us a link to these "official" episode names. And even if they do use caps, I say the MoS prevails and we should stop all this SHOUTING. After we're already decided it is correct the way - please give me a link to that decision as well. -- RHaworth 11:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Whoa, slick, easy on the attitude there. These titles are flashed in each episode at the end of the ad break, if I remember right; it shouldn't be difficult to find (or screencap) images of them. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)