Talk:List of Muslim reports

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This article is SO SO wrong. One, the title. Why do you refuse to use Arabic? The word people use is hadith. Two, the scope of the list. There are over 17,000 hadith in Buhkari and Muslim alone! Are you going to list all of them? I don't think so. What you seem to be doing is making a list of the hadith that the Shi'a most often use to attack/convince Sunni of their position, the ones with nicknames, and then adding a scattering of Sunni texts as a counterweight.

Furthermore ... you have no particular expertise in Islam studies, you can't read Arabic, you aren't an alim, you don't seem to understand the difference between weak and strong hadith, da'if and ashraf.

Now if you wanted to make a list of Hadith from the Sunni canon frequently cited by the Shia, that would make sense.

Please retitle and move the article, and drop the pretense of including ALL hadith, which is clearly impossible. Zora 04:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

  • What is wrong with the tittle? You say yourself that there are non-Hadith sources. If the title where "List of famous Muslim hadith", then by your logic, we could not included them.
  • No, i am not going to list every hadit in Bukhari and Muslim, what made you think that? Try reading the title: "List of famous Muslim reports"
  • You wrote "What you seem to be doing is making a list of the hadith that the Shi'a most often use to attack/convince Sunni of their position, the ones with nicknames, and then adding a scattering of Sunni texts as a counterweight." You seem to imply that there is something wrong with that?
  • I dont need to determine what hadith are authentic or so, that is the job of the Muslim scholars. Fact is, i am forbiden to even try to do that, if i would to do that it would be original research.
  • I have no reason for creating any Hadith from the Sunni canon frequently cited by the Shia.
  • As i said, nobody stated any "pretense of including ALL hadith".
  • Stop stalking me and droping random irrelevant excuses to get rid of article that i creat but you dont like.

--Striver 05:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

The problem is your criteria for being "famous". That's your personal judgment as to what's famous and what's not. Your personal judgment seems to be formed by an acquaintance with Shi'a polemics. You haven't included any of the hadith re salat, or inheritance, or hijab, or interest, or jihad, or ... a thousand other topics. All you want to do is discuss the position of Ali. That is a skewed definition of "famous".

Here's an example. One editor reorganized all the names of bhangra artists listed in the bhangra article; he put them into three categories: Outstanding, famous, and other. Or something like that. Based exclusively on HIS personal tastes. Other people have different tastes. Well, other people have different interests in hadith. Zora 05:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Notability is well defined by Wikipedia guidlines. If you prefer it, we can drop the "famous", to List of Muslim reports, and only have the wikipeida standards of notability apply. My idea of "famous" was "included in a well known book".

You wrote "All you want to do is discuss the position of Ali". Yeah, so what? You want to add a few hadit abut Hijab and Zakat, please do. --Striver 06:43, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quran and Sunnah - AHAD sahih??

The hadith about Qur'ân and Sunnah is in no way AHAD. If a hadith is "Ahad", it is narrated by one narrator only. This is not the case here. It is narrated from different narrators in following books: - Tabaqat al-Muhaddithin fi Asbahan (narrated by Anas) - al-Tamhid (narrated by Amr ibn al-Awf) - Mustadrak al-Hakim (narrated by Ibn Abbas) - Sunan al-Baihaqi (narrated by Abu Hurayra) Thus the hadith cannot be Ahad if it's narrated by 4 different narrators. I will correct this. Hamid-Masri 17:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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