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i feel as if its time to start MK arena's article section, i hope everyone appreciate what i did & excepts it into the mk universe.~~Lil'Layzie-One

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[edit] The Ice Falls & Kombat Crag

Whats wrong with them & whats needed, i can do what i can for them, sense it'll take no time at all to put in the game & see what i can find out about them. Lil'Layzie-One 22:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)Lil'Layzie-One

[edit] Still much work to be done

This is a good start, but a lot of work remains to be done. For example, it'd be really nice if it was either organized by game, or at least mentioned which games the levels appear in. Other interesting information would be level-specific fatalities (such as the Subway in MK3), level-specific weapons (such as the axe on the Beetle Lair stage), and various other information (for example, the Dark Prison has two levels, and players who get too close to the inmates will be grabbed by them).

Also, this needs to be written in a real-world sense. See WP:WAF for more information about that. EVula 22:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I thought i was gonna be stuck fixing it up by myself, i'm also planing on putting things up like this.

example: name: Scorpions Lair Location: Netherealm Apperiance: MK3series / n brief climps on mk4/g pit/ deathtrap: yes weapons: none Discription:

so if you wish to help me do that, it'll be great.

last note, i plan on doing them in abc order, so its easier to read, i just found this somewhere else, mainly just for a start.

Lil'Layzie-One

If you found it somewhere else, it needs to be re-written so that it isn't a copyright violation.
I don't think that a simple listing of information (Name:, Location:, etc.) would be especially interesting; see what I did with Nexus Arena for a good example of how to present the information in a comfortable way. EVula 00:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

i wasn't keeping it the way it was originally written, i'm also planning on adding all the portals together, and putting MK: when and if it was on there discription, then MKII ext. then there wouldn't be like 40 to 50 different portal stages, just like how someone redid Wind Stage n Bloody Wind Stage.

your right it might not be interesting to read that way, but it'll be a quick summery.

theres plenty of ways it can be done, i did take the liberity on putting them in order, it was a pain but its done, hopefully its better at the end of the week. ~~Lil'Layzie-One

[edit] some stuff done

a few been more detailed & pictures has been added. ``Lil'Layzie-One

The article is starting to shape up some, but you need to properly style the game names, which should be italics. For example, Mortal Kombat: Deception is done as ''[[Mortal Kombat: Deception]]'' (two apostrophes, not a quote). Characters don't need to be italicized, but game names do. Also, try to avoid "you", for more information about that, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Avoid the second person. More often than not, this can easily be avoided with a bit of re-writing (or, in some places, merely changing "you" to "the player"). EVula 15:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] making it easier

i'm thinking we should do it by game, like you've stated, i got the list of games if i missed any please correct it, if one is on there you feel don't fit, take it out, but before i do this, i want to be sure everyone else feels its a good idea first.

Mortal Kombat then arenas Mortal Kombat II then arenas Mortal Kombat 3 then arenas Mortal Kombat 4 then arenas Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance then arenas Mortal Kombat: Deception then arenas Mortal Kombat: Armageddon then arenas Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks then arenas in mk versus & special arenas you fight the bosses at. Mortal Kombat: Tournament Edition then arenas Mortal Kombat: Advance then arenas ~~Lil'Layzie-One (talk • contribs)

[edit] Massive changes and some proposed formatting rules

In a recent series of edits (the changes or the history), I did a lot of standardizing for the article.

  • First and foremost, I did some spell checking, and removed all "you" wording.
  • The {{-}} tag should always be placed at the bottom of a section. Why? Because it allows the next section to live in it's own little world, without the previous section's image spilling into it. That's a good thing.
  • I standardized the images in a couple of ways. For starters, please make all images that are added to the article 160px in size; a consistent and uniform size will go a long ways towards making this article better. Also, the caption should be just the name of the stage, plus the game in which the screenshot shows. For levels where it could be one of several games (for example, The Street), pick the earliest appearance (in this example, MK3). Put the game name in parentheses, plus the proper formatting: (''MK3'')
  • Images should always be placed above the "This arena is also called"-type notes. This is to minimize excess whitespace in the sections.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm being bossy with some of this, but after spending about an hour of working on this article's formatting, I feel like making sure that the formatting conventions that I've put forth stay in place (though people are free to make their own recommendations).

Eventually, I want each section to have enough copy for each section that we don't need the {{-}} tags. Once that happens, I'll move the images of the top dozen or so articles to the left, and then put the table of contents on the right (similar to List of minor Mortal Kombat characters). I just can't do both until the sections are long enough on their own (blast).

So... yeah. That's all. EVula 05:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Great. I want to add that we should specify more clearly what game(s) each level is in. ---SilentRAGE! 10:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Oops, I also forgot to mention that we should explain which stages have stage fatalities or deathtraps; and how many deathtraps, where they are, what they are and what-not. :P ---SilentRAGE! 10:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] soon

i'm going to put in MKSM's versus arena's and the one time use arena's in mkD kanquest mode, such as Bo Rai'Cho's Dojo. ~~Lil'Layzie-One

[edit] This article is terrible

I'm gonna' have to make some huge changes to this The Haunted Angel 17:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

...uh, okay. Care to be a bit more specific as to what you're going to do? I understand (and agree) that several sections require lots of work, but it would be great if we could coordinate our efforts a bit more. EVula 17:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Firstly, I'm just gonna' reword everything that is... well either poorly worded or just blatently defying the formality of Wikipedia (like Ice Falls). I'm also gonna' remove all the areana's that have no explination other the 'Spy Facility' or whatever the crap it was called The Haunted Angel 21:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Made some huge changes on it. The Haunted Angel 00:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll be fixing this awful article up from time and time as well. All of the inaccurate information and poor grammar is making me tear my hair out. Buzda 01:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] should we add the music

like the song names & artist thats been played on each level? Lil'Layzie-One 02:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)Lil'Layzie-One

I support this idea. This would be beneficial, because many of the ports for more MKI, MKII, MK3/UMK3 and MKT play many of the songs in the wrong stages. This would be interesting especially for people who never played the arcade versions and don't know what songs are REALLY supposed to play for a particular level. Buzda 03:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Can the information actually be verified? Something like the music is a fairly minor detail, compared to more important things like level hazards and history. EVula 14:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

right off the top off my head i can't think of any songs, but for example like we do with the apperiances we can do like, (name of song) was played in this arena by Dan Forden, that was just for an idea. Lil'Layzie-One

Personally I don't know if we really should add the music, it seems a little irrelevant really, and apart from MK:D where there is actually a whole section dedicated to the music, where you can play each song, read about it's creation and read who the composer is, the other games are going to be very difficult to verify, and it seems a bit pointless adding something only for the one game when it is included in the other games aswell. The Haunted Angel 20:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. I think we should focus on improving the content we do already have, rather than introduce yet another element that will be difficult to format and verify.
Now, that said, if someone can find a reliable source for the music information, we should consider it; the inability to verify the information is my primary problem with adding a note about music (the other being that the arena music isn't as important to the series as the arena itself). EVula 21:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
As I said, the only information that I know can be verified for certain is the info given to us on Deception, and it seems unfair (not to mention disorganized) to add that and not info for other games, and unless it's sourced (and verfied), we can't add info about the other games' music, and getting that info is the difficult part. I have found the official MK site to be a little... lacking, so I doubt we can get it off there. The Haunted Angel 21:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

i'll try to keep an eye open for a source, even if it means beating the older games to find out, but i doubt they'll show up in the credits. Lil'Layzie-One

Not to change topic, but I started the Mortal Kombat II (soundtrack) page. Feel free to contribute. Buzda 04:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article is plagiarized from GameFAQs!

Most of the arenas descriptions (if not all of them originally) are taken word for word from the Mortal Kombat History Guide posted on several MK game FAQ pages on GameFAQs. Nice one ;) Buzda 07:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you link to the page that links to the FAQ? Direct links don't work.
Without having looked at the FAQ, and knowing that I did a fair amount of work on it myself, there is the possibility that the FAQ is plagiarized from the Wikipedia article. EVula 15:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's one link from the Mortal Kombat arcade FAQ page, however, there are links to this guide from several other Mortal Kombat game FAQ pages on GameFAQs. I'm pretty sure this is plagiarized from that guide and not vice-versa because if you look at the guide's history, the section about the arena's is much older than this article. Buzda 19:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Most of the work on this article has either been done by EVula, RobWill80, or myself, and I doubt either of the other two would have plagiarized, and I know I didn't. I did a massive clean up of the article a couple of months ago, and reguarly make contributions, as EVula and RobWill also do, so if anything there is plagiarized, it must have been written before we started doing serious work to it, or was sort of written 'on the sly'. ~ The Haunted Angel 22:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm not talking about you guys. I'm talking about the article's first version by User:Lil'Layzie-One. The entire article is a copy+paste job of the arenas section in the History Guide. It's more than obvious now that it was taken from the guide and not vice-versa because the original edit of this page started off with:

"Here I will explain the background stages of the MK games, some background stages has another name in parenthesis, this is only a reference of other names that it has been called so people who has seen the other name will know its the same stage. Some stages do tie into the storyline in one way or the other, however most are not but I shall explain them all anyways."

These words are also the introduction to the Arena section on the guide, which obviously make more sense on a fan made FAQ guide than a Wikipedia page. Also, if you check the guide's article history it clearly shows the Arena info was written before this article's first version. And I hardly doubt the guide's creator would go to that far of lengths to put up fake dates just so it wouldn't look like he copied from this article. Seriously, do you need any more proof?

What I think needs to be done is for most of the (stolen) arena descriptions on this article to be removed. Even if their descriptions were written by Lil'Layzie-One and not Ctrl+V'd, they are still not sourced and written like they came from an MK fan fiction. And no, I'm not talking about the info contributed by the others that is actually valid info explaining which games the arena is from and what the arena looks like (although that is original research). Buzda 23:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, you list some bits that sound like 'Fan Fiction', or bits that have been stolen from somewhere, and I'll help do some work moving things around and fixing stuff up. ~ The Haunted Angel 00:22, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. Honestly, pretty much anything that remains from this article's first edit should be removed. I know this will be alot of work, but the article really needs it. Buzda 03:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Grr... I thought it was ripped from somewhere else (earlier discussion), I just didn't have an actual link. I agree that the article should be rewritten; I'll see what I can do in the limited amount of time I have.
Well, at least with Armageddon being delayed, I should have a bit more... EVula 06:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
It's going to be very quiet around here, if everyone has to take a week off to avoid MK:A spoilers! ;) I'll try to concentrate on this article, as well as any others that won't have huge spoilers. I've just got MK:DA and MK:D, so I'm also taking a little time off to play those. RobWill80 15:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

yes i admit, most of the arenas from mk gold back are from Gamefaqs, but the others are from in game discriptions, but sense most of its been rewritin, all the older levels stuff can be removed, if not rewriten ... Lil'Layzie-One

[edit] 2 Things

1. Hell & Scorpion's Lair in MK:A are not the same arena's, sence theres an arena called Hell & another called Scorpion's Lair, so there both not the same.

2. i just posted the rest of the arena's, i will get there detials soon, thats if no one else beats me to it.

[edit] Proposal for massive page revision and restructure

Seeing how this page has grown immensely, I think we should do something now to help make it a bit more navigable. There are currently 91 sub-headings, which is totally abso-ludicrous. To rectify this, I believe that arenas which have only appeared in one game or are not highly significant in their own right should not have their own-subheading (To simply this, MK3/UMK3/MKT are considered the same game, as well as MK4/MKG). Recurring or important arenas (Locations of boss fights, vital to the storyline à la The Nexus, etc.) are worthy of their own heading. Basically, just check out my sandbox page to see what I have put together so far: User:MarphyBlack/sandbox. Most changes should be self-explanatory. Please note that I have not changed the wording at all; this is just to show the page design/format I threw together. A lot of passages will need to be re-written to reflect this new design (As well as to give them the much needed improvements that they need in general). Feel free to make any suggested changes directly to my test revision article. More ideas are welcome. MarphyBlack 23:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

sence the few didn't really have a place for them selves, i just put Trilogy & ultimate together, sence it'll be pointless to have, umk3 & mkt seperate, when mkt only has like 2 new ones or so.
oh yeah, i'll say its a good idea, to orginize them better.
Lil'Layzie-One 01:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)Lil'Layzie-One


just a thought, should we put konquest arena's with recurring arenas? or atleast with mk:da, sence it has kept returninf in ways or for the fact it started in mk:da.Lil'Layzie-One 02:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)Lil'Layzie-One

Well, the problem that I am having with placing the Konquest arenas is that they're used somewhat differently in Deception and Armageddon. In Deception, there are specific Konquest-only arenas that appear in that mode only. In Armageddon, the Konquest arenas can be unlocked for normal use (And indeed, they are all currently listed here in this page right now). I actually don't know what was done in Deadly Alliance. Anyway, I can't really say that the Konquest arenas are recurring, but they aren't really specific to any of the games. If anything, the "Konquest-only" arenas only appear in Deception since the Konquest arenas are used as normal arenas in Armageddon. MarphyBlack 03:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Fantastic changes. A note: I think that the TOC should be on the right, which would help alleviate the whole "holy shit, there are so many headings!" issue all the more. The only reason that I didn't before was that it was impossible to do that and have images on the right, but with ultra-short blurbs (such as Blaze's pyramid) caused the images to break through (currently, we get around that with {{-}}, but with a right-aligned TOC, that got majorly broken). Just a note. EVula 03:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I can safely say, Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance has had, its own spacific Konquest arena's, its one of the reason why i posted it, so it has really only been in the 2 games Deception & Deadly alliance, we can set it with recurring arena's, with DA or with MKD sence that was its last appearance so far, but its up to everyone else too. Lil'Layzie-One 13:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)Lil'Layzie-One

I made a few more edits to my proposed revision. I don't have time right now to explain all the specifics, but just check out User:MarphyBlack/sandbox again to see if there's any visible improvement. I am trying to figure out a good and consistent way to show what games the significant arenas have been in (Short of simply saying "This arena appeared in such and such"). MarphyBlack 01:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I finally got around to adding my revision to the page. All previous information is still included, so no text was lost. However, the one major change I had to incorporate was removing many of the images. As it was before, nearly every single arena had at least one image, totalling at over 100 images. Although this is a list, I don't think that the fair use policy here can justify that many images. The article now has about 50 images, which even then some might consider far too many. MarphyBlack 22:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted an anonymous ip's reversion back to the old page structure. My full rationale is as follows:
  1. Contrary to what the anonymous ip claims, absolutely no information was lost. This is the exact same text being presented in a different format. It is not "shorter" by any means. Compare the text if you'd like.
  2. The Table of Contents including over 100 individual sub-headings was absolutely horrendous. It looked ugly and it made the page very difficult to navigate (Having to scroll a couple of screens just to get to the actual content of the article is a big warning sign that something is not right).
  3. As I mentioned above, including over 100 fair use images would be ridiculously difficult to justify. It simply could not remain this way. Although I cut down the number by half, this is still a very large concern of mine.
  4. Since I specifically brought this topic up here in the talk page a good while beforehand, it seems that there was no opposition to my revision with other regular editors. While I'm certainly open to suggestions for more enhancements or changes, the consensus appears to be that my version is a significant improvement over the original.
MarphyBlack 00:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I 100% approve of the changes. Major improvement. EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scislac Busorez

Perhaps already known, this is, more than likely, a scrambling of a word; the first word is "classic." What is the second? BishopTutu 22:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

The second word unscrambled is "Sub Zero", thus the level name being a reference to him as a hidden character in UMK3. MarphyBlack 23:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added Skull to the levels for MK4

There wasn't a mention of this level, it can be found using a gameshark code in the N64 and PSX versions. I added it anyway, if anyone wants to revise it feel free to.--Iamstillhiro1112 00:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Yup, you are correct. There is a Skull Stage in the home ports of MK4. This page gives the exact Gameshark code needed to access the arena for the PS1 version (Which I have just verified myself as working) and this interview with Eurocom, the developers of the MK4 home console ports, acknowledges the existence of the Skull Stage. MarphyBlack 08:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the Bell Tower in MKA

Wouldn't it be better to state that to achieve the death trap in there, you have to uppercut them anywhere around the giant bell in the middle of the room? To state you have to "uppercut them away from the center of the room" could give the wrong impression, but that's just me... it's how it worked for me when I found out about it.

I wanted to ask that first rather than right up do something about it, if you don't mind.Ralf Loire 06:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. Change made. MarphyBlack 00:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
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