Talk:List of James Bond villains

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Contents 1 Page name 2 Novel villains 3 Villains additions 4 Spoiler 5 "Official" status?

[edit] Page name

Shouldn't this article be entitled "List of James Bond villains" since it is, after all, a list, and the 'v' shouldn't be capitalized? If there's no protest I'll move the article. Ðåñηÿßôý | Talk 21:18, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

That sounds fine to me. We may have to do the same for the Bond girls page. Bond girl. K1Bond007 06:13, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Am now moving both pages. Ðåñηÿßôý | Talk 04:51, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

...never mind, I don't think the Bond girl page needs moving, as it is an article defining the term "Bond girl," which is popular slang; it isn't just a list. Ðåñηÿßôý | Talk 04:56, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Novel villains

Should the section "Novel villains" really be there? It only has one entry, which is duplicated in the list of "Unofficial movie villains". Or should it be expanded, if there are more villains from novels that should be there? As it is, it looks like wasteful duplication to me... αγδεε(τ) 04:54, 2004 Sep 23 (UTC)

I think it should be expanded. Thats what I intended anyway. K1Bond007 17:08, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Villains additions

I added a few names to the list. Elektra King was actually the main villain of World is Not Enough since she masterminded the plan. Technically Renard should be listed as a henchman, but I think we can get away with listing him as a main villain if for no other reason than he got the big explosion death at the end usually reserved for the main baddies. I also added Blofeld to From Russia with Love and Thunderball. Although he never met Bond, his influence was there (and Blofeld is listed in this capacity for Never Say Never Again anyway). Lastly, I popped Dr. Noah into the Casino Royale '67 entry as well. Can't forget Woody. 23skidoo 06:33, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well, I honestly disagree that Renard was a henchman. IMO he was the main villain, however, I can see how someone could make the arguement that she was also the main villain. But I don't agree. I don't mind listing them both though K1Bond007 08:30, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

Elektra has been mentioned as the main villain in a few sources and movie reviews. WiNE has actually been "applauded" (not the right word given the context but it's the only one I can think of right now) as being the first Bond film to have a female main villain ever and the first to have a woman in a major villainous role (as opposed to just being a "bad girl" or henchman) since Irma Bunt in OHMSS or even Rosa Klebb. But the film makes it clear that Elektra was behind the murder of her father and the whole pipeline scheme, and it is she who kidnaps M and sets up the whole situation in Turkey because of the Stockholm Syndrome she experienced. But if you do a villains article on her, it wouldn't hurt to mention the controversy over whether she should be considered the main villain or not. At the very least, Elektra and Renard should be considered co-villains. 23skidoo 13:07, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't have a problem saying they're co-villains. Thats pretty much what I think. What I don't think, is that it was entirely all her plan. By the way, should we really list Blofeld for Thunderball and From Russia With Love? Shouldn't it be S.P.E.C.T.R.E. and Largo, S.P.E.C.T.R.E. and Kronsteen? This would make YOLT Blofeld and S.P.E.C.T.R.E. as well, but everything else just Blofeld. ?? K1Bond007 18:08, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

I was thinking about this too. Maybe the co-villain idea again. Blofeld does appear in Russia and Thunderball and, while he doesn't interact directly with Bond, it's clear he's the driving force behind the schemes even if it's clear he doesn't come up with the ideas. The place of Kronsteen as a villain is also tenuous since he also never meets Bond. I agree that he's clearly the mastermind behind the scheme in that film, of course. It might be worth noting that he's the only Bond film villain who never actually meets James Bond. I've seen Rosa Klebb listed as the main villain of the piece, but she's more of a henchman alongside Red Grant. I think Blofeld should be listed for the two films, but with some sort of footnote saying he doesn't directly interact with Bond -- the same for Blofeld in Never Say Never. 23skidoo 21:24, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I added Miranda Frost to the Die Another Day henchmen and Hans (Blofeld's Bodyguard) to the You Only Live Twice henchmen. Ian911299

[edit] Spoiler

When listing the villain for For Special Services I double checked to see if we had a spoiler warning, which we do, but noticed that the intro to the article flat out tells everyone that Mr. Big and Kanaga from Live and Let Die are one and the same. Should this just be reworded, moved or should it all just be removed? The listing of Stromberg as the first Non-Fleming villain is listed on his page and most likely listed if not just implied anyway on the page for The Spy Who Loves Me. ??? K1Bond007 02:14, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)

I don't think we need it. Now that we have a complete list of unique novel villains (takes a bow) I think the reader can work this out for themselves. That said, I do mention that Mr. Big is a Kananga alias on the list, which should probably be reworded (which I'll do right now). 23skidoo 02:41, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Official" status?

Can anyone explain the "official" or otherwise status of a villain? Which body or person makes something official - is it the Fleming estate or something similar? Mswake 15:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I get it -- it's the films, not the villains, that are un/official. Have edited table headings accordingly. Mswake 16:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)