Talk:List of Hannah Montana episodes

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[edit] DVD

Can we get a page for the new DVD, since we have one for the soundtrack and video game??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PeachGal (talk • contribs) 03:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC).

Unless it has super-duper extra features, I would advise against it. Also, sign your name with 4 tildes (~~~~), and put new talk page sections at the bottom. bibliomaniac15 03:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "and Oliver acts like shakeshepre."

Surely "and Oliver acts like shakespeare."?

[edit] Hannah montana/Miley cyrus

Miley cyrus tries to be a ordinary girl. Under har wig and makeup she is just a girl next door. Hannah montana is famous but miley in school is just a ordinary girl facing issues like teasing. Amber and Ashley tease her and make fun of her while at the same time is harrasing Hannah montana. They too are a fan of Hannah montana, but of course they don't know that. Just something fof miley cyrus:WE LOVE YOU MILEY!YOU ARE LIKE MY BEST FRIEND! WE ARE THE BEST FANS THAT YOU COULD EVER HAVE! YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

NEXT TIME SAVE THIS COMMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE, FOR EMXAMPLE: INSIDE YOUR HEAD.

[edit] Atrocious

Why are all of the Hannah Montana articles HORRIBLE! Bibliomaniac15 03:20, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Probably because they're written by the target audience of the show. Shall I add a clean-up notice?

This episode (People who uses people) needs serious editing and revising. I can't follow the plotline

I don't like the show and its deadpan children's humor, but it does look like a good show for its target audience. All of the Hannah Montana articles are poorly written, heavily vandalized, and need copyediting. Arual 16:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

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Resently, users have been adding links to Myspace for the actor's on this show. Miley Cyrus, Mitchel Musso, & Emily Osment have all stated that they do have Myspace accounts. The people who have those accounts are frauds.

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[edit] Table

Do not delete the table! It helps keep t orderly. If you feel obligated to make an edit on the table, please press the "Show Preview" button before you save, or request the change on the talk page. bibliomaniac15 20:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually the sections are much better, like List of Full House episodes. And, when you added the table, you also cut off the major summaries too. I have reverted back to the old version, as it has much better quality and it seems as though you just copied the table from the main article. GeorgeMoney (talk) 01:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I've added a new table. Please discuss here before reverting. - Peregrinefisher 01:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I have no intention of making this an edit war, but I'd say the table has superior formatting. If you want detailed summaries, you can add them into the table. Besides, the list of Full House episodes aren't consistent, one section has quotes while another has only summaries. It would be better to be brief, consistent, and neat than be detailed, long, and inconsistent. bibliomaniac15 21:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Although Wikipedia is not a Democracy, I suggest that we take a vote. bibliomaniac15 21:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, let's vote, but also give some kind of discussion or rationale along with it not just "support ~~~~". Votes like that won't be counted as it is not helping. GeorgeMoney (talk) 23:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poll

Tally: (2/0/0)

[edit] Both table and sections

1. Here are my reasons for no table: 1) while it might look neater, these pages are usually edited by anon-editors who don't know wiki-formatting yet, so they actually mess up the table, which makes it look uglier. 2) The summaries are good and long, but if we have a table, it will be hard to put long things in the table and maintain it at high quality because there will be table mark-up everywhere. With sections you can just edit a certain section and see the nice clean paragraph. 3) the only reason we have the table is to put extra info mainly pictures. Most of these pictures are copyvios and wil be deleted soon, rendering the table very messy. 4) It will be much harder to add different seasons and episodes because if you insert one in the middle you will have to change everything else which will be hard and the table code is inconsistent with itself. GeorgeMoney (talk) 23:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

   1)The table has been in place 5 days and looks fine and this page gets vandalized a lot.

   2)The table links to the summaries, are you aware of this? They can be edited seperately.

   3)The images are used under Fair Use. They are not copy vios. Read about it at Wikipedia:Fair use/Fair use images in lists.

   4)This is the recommended way to naturally grow a list of episodes page as recommended in the guidline at Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Television_episodes#Creating_articles_on_television_episodes. The table follows the Template:Episode list. - Peregrinefisher 03:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

   Yes, I would agree with keeping the table and more detailed summaries. What I understood was you wanted to get rid of the sections and replace it with the table. If we keep both that would be great, so I've made a new vote section. GeorgeMoney (talk) 22:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I vote for both the table and the detailed summaries. Sometimes people like to have a long explainations of the episode and the detailed sumarries will keep them from trying to put it in the table. Also, others would rather not have the whole episode spoiled, so the table is the best for them.--SoapTalker 05:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No table

[edit] Table

[edit] Support for Table

I agree that we should keep the current(10/17/2006) table.

• This table makes it simple to get an overview on each episode.
• The table can be kept orderly, it may take a bit more work to clean up user mistakes every once in a while, but that is not very difficult.
• If users would like a simple list of the episodes they can always go to the Episode Category page. We can add a blatant link to this on the episode list page if it becomes too much of a problem.
• I will agree that a list can keep the page much cleaner looking, but the table makes the page much more uniform and organized.
• I have not seen this page as a list, I started looking after the table was created, but since I have been here it seems to have remained in tact.

Brandonrc 23:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Future episodes

Why do we have summaries for episodes that haven't aired yet? Some of them are really complete and sound true. - Peregrinefisher 23:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Usually, DC gives a small summary before each airing. bibliomaniac15 23:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I do not know where we want to get the information for upcoming episodes. I noticed one on the official Disney site and added that. After that I noticed that about 8 more episodes were listed in the WIKI the same day. If I remember correctly there was a list of upcoming episodes that had been removed. Just thought that I would bring this up and see what everyone thought. Brandonrc 05:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

There are many rumored upcoming episodes which are on IMDb and TV.com with unverified sources. No episodes should be added to the article which have not been verified. Shannernanner 12:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Just to be sure that I understand, and to re-iterate the fact for everyone. IDMB is not a source where verified episodes are found. Although they may be right, they are not considered to be our reference. Bibliomaniac15 referred to DC, I am assuming that is referring to Disney Channel and that we will only keep episodes that appear on Disney Channel Official Listings, is that correct?
Brandonrc 23:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

IMDb is not verifiable concerning future episodes of Hannah Montana, no. Yes, the user was referring to Disney Channel, and their listings are and should be the primary reference for the episode list. It is possible that an outside reference would also have verifiable information, but it should only be used if truly verifiable and cited carefully. Shannernanner 23:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Further explanation

I created the new table in an attempt to clean it up and clean up the list of episodes. I am creating pages for the existing episodes as I go, and then deleting the extended synopsis on this page for that episode. I used the information on listed on The Disney Channel official site to confirm upcoming episodes for the table; any other information I left in the synopsis area, as I don't know where it came from, other than imdb.com or tv.com, as that isn't necessarily reliable. If you have references for those episode titles or synopses, I have no problem with them being in the table. I just would rather not have the entire table reverted unless you have a good reason, as I think it was an upward change, so please make any edits to the new table if possible. Thanks. :-) -Shannernanner 04:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Why are you removing the writer and director? Yes, I used imdb.com and tv.com as a reference for the upcoming episodes, and that's why they're listed in the external links section. I can put little numbers on them if you want, along with a references section. - Peregrinefisher 04:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

If those two sites are the only sources for the information, it should probably be removed--anyone can add episodes, and though it is moderated, lots of misinformation still gets through. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. As for the writer and director, as I said on my talk page, those aren't standard columns for episode lists, and since I'm making pages for the individual episodes, it seemed logical to me that they could be removed. -Shannernanner 04:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that color green your using in the table is the best color. Maybe something from here? - Peregrinefisher 07:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I matched all the colors to colors on the DVD cover on the main page, just to be thematic. Is it the shade you object to or the color altogether? -Shannernanner 10:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Remaining synopses

I created individual episode pages for all the aired episodes and the upcoming episodes which are listed on the Disney Channel official site, except the last one (Good Golly, Miss Dolly)--all the available information is on the wikitable; the remaining episode titles and synopses I moved here. If anyone can provide reliable sources for any or all of them, please do:

• Money for Nothing, Guilt for Free

Miley, Lilly, Amber, and Ashley's teacher sends them off to raise money for a local fundraising campaign. Miley and Lilly want to win really badly so that they can win the prize and brag about it in front of Amber and Ashley. Jackson thinks that he is better than his dad at Ping Pong. Cooper tells him that his dad is letting him win so he gives Jackson lessons.

The title refers to Dire Straits' song Money for Nothing, which includes the line "You get your money for nothing and your chicks for free".

• The Idol Side of Me

Amber and Ashley pass out a "cool" list. Oliver makes it in the top hundred, but Miley and Lilly are last tied with Dandruff Danny. There's a contest for someone to be able to sing with Hannah Montana. Of course, Ashley tries out, but things get out of hand when Miley hears someone singing. It sounded really bad. Miley thinks it's Ashley. So Miley makes Ashley win the contest, but it turns out that the horrible singer was Amber, and Ashley is really an awesome singer. Ashley gets to sing with Hannah Montana. Miley and Lilly(as Hannah and Lola)plan to do this awful thing to her and embarrass her on live TV, but Ashley freaks out before she performs and spills her guts to Hannah. Miley as Hannah tells her to be nice and Ashley says she will. Ashley ends up being nice to Danny by putting him before Miley and Lilly.

The title may refer to any number of songs called The Other Side Of Me, including one sung by Hannah Montana.

• Debt It Be

Miley and Jackson get credit cards for emergencies only. Miley maxes out her card, but switches with Jackson's so it looks like he did it, and it works. Then Miley confesses and has to sell used Hannah Montana items in order to pay for it.

The title refers to The Beatles song Let It Be.

• Bad Moose Rising

The title refers to Creedence Clearwater Revival's song Bad Moon Rising.

• Smells Like Teen Sellout

Oliver, Miley, and Lilly are on a game show against Amber and Ashley. Jackson has money problems.

The title refers to Nirvana's song Smells Like Teen Spirit.

• Schooly Bully

This episode is about Miley Stewart getting in trouble with a girl called ,"The Cracker" this girl cracks everything on her body and is considered scary and unapproachable. She gives her a hair clip which secretly has a tracking device in it so Roxy can keep track of her.

The title refers to Sam the Sham & the Pharaohs' song Wooly Bully.

• My Boyfriend's Jackson

A photographer snaps a picture of Hannah and Jackson. And Jackson wants to pretend to be her boyfriend, for the "celebrity boyfriend" benefits.

The title refers to The Angels' song My Boyfriend's Back.

• Torn Between Two Hannahs

After Hannah co-stars in another Zombie High Episode, Jake falls for Hannah as well as Miley. He can't decide which girl to choose because he likes them both equally. Will movie star Jake Ryan go for pop star Hannah Montana or down-to-earth, school girl Miley. Will Miley tell Jake about her secrect identity?

The title refers to Mary MacGregor's song Torn Between Two Lovers.

• People who use people

After Miley and Jake share their feelings for each other and Miley tells Jake that she is Hannah, they decided to become a couple. This gets Lily mad. Could this be the end of Miley and Lily's friendship?

-Shannernanner 10:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I don't feel comfortable uploading images myself so could somebody please upload and post this image for Good Golly, Miss Dolly? http://www.fansitefreaks.com/miley/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=46&pos=33 (Here's the site.) Mzperfection42 20:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. :-) -Shannernanner 05:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, please pick one of the images for You're So Vain, You Probably... from this link. http://www.fansitefreaks.com/miley/gallery2/thumbnails.php?album=125 Thanks. Mzperfection42 01:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. -Shannernanner 08:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode

On the Hannah Montana official TV listings site, it says that the next Hannah Montana episode to air after Good Golly, Miss Dolly, is going to be Torn Between Two Hannahs. It's airing on October 14. Could somebody add that to the table? Mzperfection42 20:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I added it, thanks for the update. -Shannernanner 05:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Torn Between Two Hannahs" episode synopsis

Moved from article:

"When its Halloween, Lilly says that she wants to trick-or-treat with Miley but Miley said that she had a family emergency when she is actually going to a famous star party."

As this episode has not yet aired and the official site does not yet have a synopsis, please provide a source for this information. Thanks. -Shannernanner 10:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

TVGuide has up a synopsis for this episode and hannahmontana.net has a pic. Could you add those please? Mzperfection42 00:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Shannernanner 04:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] YouTube

Would it be OK to include a link to YouTube on each episode's page (if applicable)? There are YT users who post full episodes. Pink moon 1287 21:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Those are illegal versions of copyrighted material, so we can't link to them. It might be good to mention that they can be found on YouTube on the main Hannah page, but without specific links. It also seems to be where summaries for unaired episodes are coming from, too. - Peregrinefisher 22:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] People Who Use People

TVGuide has a totally different synopsis for People Who Use People episode. Since Disney Channel hasn't posted the episode synopsis, I believe that we should use the synopsis they give because they are also very reliable. Could somebody please make that swap? Here's the link: http://tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?episodeid=6003178&tvobjectid=278865&more=ucepisodelist The synopsis is near the top of the page. Mzperfection42 02:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Placement of "Money For Nothing, Guilt for Free"

After watching the episode "Money For Nothing, Guilt for Free" I was trying to figure out where (chronologically) it fits in to the episode list. Jake Ryan does not appear in the episode which leads me to believe that it belongs before "New Kid in School." It could also be argued that it can be placed after Jake leaves for Romania (if/when he actually does). What I am getting at is that its current location fine (at the end of season 1) for now, but in the future it should be relocated. I immediately see three options for its placement:

• Leave it at the end of Season 1;
• Decide where it chronologically fits in to season 1 and move it; and
• Create a new "Season" section for miscellaneous episodes.

I like the idea of placing it in its to-be-decided chronological location. My second choice would be the separate section for miscellaneous episodes. Obviously there is no rush to decide this, but it is never too soon to see what people think about where it should end up. What are your thoughts?
Brandonrc 05:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Unless a verifiable citation can be found referencing its placement within the season, I think it should be left where it is, as the episodes are not in chronological order within the season, but episode order, and as this is unaired and therefore not assigned an episode number, but was released along with season one episodes, I think it belongs at the bottom. If a significant number of unaired episodes are released throughout the course of the series, perhaps then a separate table could be created for them. Shannernanner 06:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United Kingdom Airdates

I am curious where the air dates for the United Kingdom are coming from. I visited the Disney Channel UK site and was not able to find much information about Hannah Montana. Is there any reference that can be made to this information? I would assume that if the episode had aired already in the UK that there would be more information available about them. As of this comment there are 6 episodes that have "aired" yet there is no information about them. I propose that the air dates be removed unless they can be verified. Any other thoughts?
Brandonrc 02:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 2 titles

Where did all those season 2 titles come from? Very high risk of vandalism/overactive imagination about this kind of stuff. If there isn't a source, we need to remove them. Everyking 10:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Upcoming episode features Brooke Shields

On Access Hollywood, they did a segment with Brooke Shields. She will be guest starring on a new episode of Hannah Montana this summer. She'll cause havoc on Miley/Hannah and her dad. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LAUGH90 (talk • contribs) 22:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

First of all, Brooke Shields is a woman, not a man, and also she is going to play Miley's mother in a flashback, not cause havoc to them. Tsears

• That wasn't me that said she was a man. Someone ruined my words.72.94.46.100 02:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)LAUGH90

[edit] Season Two - First Five

All the episode descriptions from season two have been changed to "Summary Needed." I am curious why the summaries were removed? The source for the summaries, titles, and the episode screen shots is the same. If the summaries are deemed to be incorrect, should the current season two episode titles also be removed? I am wondering if there is any good reasoning they were removed, otherwise I would be more than happy to add them again.
Brandonrc 05:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

It's because they were copied from tv.com [1] If tv.com were a reliable source, we could summarize their summaries, but they aren't a reliable source, so we can't summarize or straight copy them. - Peregrine Fisher 06:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

They were also on 3 other miley cyrus fansites. Using them can land us in legal trouble since it violates copyright. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 15:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Good enough reasoning for me, Summary Needed is fine. Just to point a couple things out though/ask a question:

• TV.com did not have the descriptions of the episodes at the time they were originally posted (When I originally posted them, the episodes themselves were not even listed on TV.com until the day after)
• The Question: If the same description is on three fan sites, we (along with the sites) would be infringing on Disney's copyright, correct? The source I used stated they sourced them from Disney. I understood that as long as a source is cited that it is alright to display the information? I may be incorrect though.
  Thanks for your input.
  Brandonrc 05:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)