Talk:List of Formula One fatal accidents

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Skully Collins (talk • contribs • email)

this page is list and need to be fixed don´t delete it.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Tramp (talk • contribs).

It says on the article that drivers who died in testing accidents are not listed. But Peter Revson died in a testing accident at Kyalami. Though the GP was to take place on the 30th April, the test session that Revson was killed in took place on the 22nd and was not part of the GP event itself. As such, his name should be removed as per the conditions of the article. Lec CRP1 18:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I think all fatal accidents should be on the list. However, the original data only had drivers killed during GPs, so I put that in the opening sentence to avoid confusion. I'll remove the sentence and add an incomplete tag.--Diniz 19:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, how about Jo Siffert? He died in an F1 car in an F1 race, just not in a race that counted towards the F1 Championship? Lec CRP1 19:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
If you have all the data, then put it in - I didn't compile the original list, and there are some drivers missing.--Diniz 20:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Archie Scott-Brown and Alberto Ascari died during testing also—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.114.105.16 (talk • contribs).

Yes, but they weren't driving F1 cars.--Diniz 11:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

How about Bill Vukovich, it was on 1955 Indy 500 which was part of F1 championship? --Sporti 08:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually if u look at List of Indianapolis 500 deaths there are more

During race:

Drivers killed during testing, practice or qualifications:

--Sporti 11:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Ricardo Rodriguez

Is there any reason why the link for Ricardo Rodriguez ("Mexican Grand Prix") links to the circuit rather than the race, like most of the others do? --DH85868993 11:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The Mexican Grand Prix was a non-championship event in 1962 and doesn't have its own article.--Diniz 11:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Of course. Thanks. --DH85868993 13:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The race now has its own article which is linked to this list. DH85868993 07:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notes

At the moment, I'm trying to promote this article to FL standards. So I've decided to removed any notes detailing anything involoving how the driver died. Exceptions to this rule are Stacey and Bristow, who both died during the same GP, so I assume that some may think they both died in the same accident. The only time you should add a note should be when:

  • A spectator (or marshal) died in the accident as well.
  • The driver didn't die "on the spot".
  • If the driver was driving a privateer entry, see Piers Courage as an example.

If there is any other exceptions let me know. Otherwise, let me know if this is okay.--Skully Collins Edits 11:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mike Spence

Mike Spence was killed during testing of a USAC Champ car, he was not testing a Formula One car.
Formulanone 08:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

He was killed at Indianapolis, and at the time the Lotus 56 was an Indianapolis car - it was later raced in Formula One, though. -- Ian Dalziel 14:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm with Formulanone - the Lotus 56 Spence was testing was not a legal F1 car. Pratt & Whitney had to build a new (smaller) "3 litre-equivalent" turbine engine for use in the 1971 F1 Lotus 56B. DH85868993 07:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ronnie Peterson

Do we need a note that Peterson died the day after the accident and the cause of his death was actually an embolism which poisoned his blood? Lemon martini 22:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, according to the guidelines specified by Skully Collins in the "Notes" section above. So, I've added one. Note that I didn't go into a great deal of detail about the exact cause of death. DH85868993 08:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I think we could wind up with a forest of notes if we need one for every case where the driver was pronounced dead only after being taken to hospital. At a quick glance that would apply to Mark Donohue and Ayrton Senna as well, for instance. -- Ian Dalziel 12:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Race Marshal

At some point in the last few years (not sure of the season) a marshal was killed by flying debris at a point when no driver was injured. Shouldn't this be included? Paul (paulthompson2k@hotmail.com)

EDIT: Sorry have just clicked about the whole 'driving a F1 car' thing...

However for the sake of comparison it might be useful to show that due to the increase in driver protection the people most at risk are not actually in the cars? Paul

[edit] Inclusion of Indianapolis races in this list

This list claims to be a "list of all drivers who have died as a result of a crash while driving a Formula One car". I don't believe it's correct to describe the car in which Pat O'Connor died as a Formula One car. [In 1958, Formula One engine size was limited 2.5 litres, whereas (I'm 99% sure) the engine in O'Connor's car would have been a 4.2 litre Offy.] Personally, I think all the Indianapolis cars should be removed from this list, since these cars were designed and built as ChampCars, not Formula One cars, even though from 1950-1953 they may have complied with the Formula One regulations (they would have been OK on engine size, but I'm not sure whether they would have complied with all the Formula One regulations). DH85868993 06:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The description of the list has now been updated to indicate that it includes all WDC events, which means that including the Indy races is now correct. - DH85868993 12:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gerhard Mitter

As specified in the note, Mitter was driving a Formula Two car and should therefore not be included in this list of drivers "who have died as a result of a crash while driving a Formula One car." Note that one option would be to redefine the list as a list of drivers "who have died during or in preparation for a World Championship event", in which case he would still qualify. (Although then you would have to question the inclusion of drivers such as Depailler and De Angelis, i.e. does a private test count as "preparation for a World Championship event"?) DH85868993 07:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Description of list has been updated, so Mitter's inclusion is now appropriate. - DH85868993 12:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Charles de Tornaco

I strongly suspect that Charles de Tornaco was driving a Formula Two Ferrari 500 when he died and should therefore not be included in this list of drivers "who have died as a result of a crash while driving a Formula One car." DH85868993 07:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe your right. But sadly, the list can't be changed unless you have a reference to de Toranco's death not being in an Formula One car. If that proves to be the case, then I'm sorry. But in my defense, a lot of sites are very vague when it comes to what drivers were driving, especially when it comes to drivers in the 1950s.--Skully Collins Edits 08:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Note for Villeneuve?

With respect to the guideline specified in the "Notes" section above that there should be a note if the driver didn't die "on the spot", I'm pretty sure I've read reports that Villeneuve wasn't killed instantly, but survived for as long as 3 days(?) after his accident. Does anyone have a reliable source confirming/disputing this? DH85868993 08:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

All the sources I can find say that he died in hospital in the evening of the same day, for example [1], [2] and the Gilles Villeneuve article itself.--Diniz 13:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I've added a note saying that Villeneuve died in hospital later the same day. - DH85868993 12:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On the list name

How about 'Drivers who have died as a result of accidents during the course of a Formula One Championship event or whilst driving a Formula One car'? That covers Formula 2 cars in F1 races and drivers who died in testing,non-Championship races and Indy? Lemon martini 13:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Description updated - DH85868993 12:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
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