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[edit] Minor monsters

All minor monsters should be added here in preference to individual articles. --Tim Pope 20:37, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Should this therefore be "List of minor Doctor Who monsters" (like the villians one)? --Jawr256 06:48, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
hrmm... not sure. It might be worth linking to the major ones who have their own articles. --Tim Pope 08:27, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Can someone please fix the tetrap box? It went all screwy. Thanks in advance! Sean 02:44, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ood

It is said that they were susceptible to mind control from the beast in their part, but if you look at the Tardisode, before the asteroid is even approached one of the says 'the beast shall rise from the pit', during their talking whilst control from the beast they say something about how the beast had sent them to integrate into all societies ready to attack (not worded like that, but that is the implication), I'm not sure how to put this in or cite this, so I'll leave this to someone else. Ragzouken 23:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me, or dose anyone else think that the Ood's faces bare a likeness to Doctor Zoidberg from Futurama, when focusing on the mouth area?

Dr genestealer 16:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mechanoids

There is already a short one liner about Mechanoids at List of robots in Doctor Who, do we want to move the more detailed version from here to there (and possibly flesh out the items on that list) ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TimPope (talk • contribs) 20:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC).

Are they robots or cyborgs? I can't remember. If they're cyborgs keep them here, if they're robots, move the nice, shiny pargraph to the Robots list--Sean Jelly Baby? 20:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
They were robots in "The Chase", but when Davros turned them into Juggernauts in the Big Finish story, he added human tissue and made them cyborgs. I suppose the TV version takes precedence? —Josiah Rowe 23:15, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Ah, I see. So, put them in the robots article, and leave a note here, perhaps?--Sean Jelly Baby?`
Could always be naughty and give them their own article... --TimPope 10:42, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Hee! I doubt that would survive AFD, though. Either way, I suspect that the Robots list needs some work.--Sean Jelly Baby? 17:44, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Morbius

Morbius is already on the villains list, which seems more appropriate... --TimPope 22:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
yeah I added him into the monster one my monsters and villan doctor who book says that he's a monster --Madcowpoo 00:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abzorbaloff

Until recently, there was a redlink to Abzorbaloff in the series 2 section of List of Doctor Who serials. It certainly doesn't need an article of its own, but there could be a case for adding it to this page. We don't have any information about its fictional context (beyond the notion that it absorbs its victims, and their faces show through its skin), but we do have some mildly interesting nonfictional information about its creation (the Blue Peter contest, won by William Grantham, age 9). (Here's a BBC press release and news story about it, and there's a full-sized picture of the Abzorbaloff here, although I'm not sure whether we could use it or not. OG has some screen captures from the Blue Peter here, which might be closer to fair use.

Anyway, I'm just not sure whether we should wait until the actual episode airs to add this, or whether the newsworthiness of a Doctor Who monster designed by a Blue Peter viewer outweighs other considerations. Thoughts? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Only if we can have entries for Aquaman, the Hypnotron and the Metal Octopus too! ;-) Seriously though, I think mention of its non-fictional origins would be precisely the sort of interesting material the list could do with. But you know me and Wikipedia articles, always one for the behind-the-scenes over the fiction, so I'm probably biased. Angmering 01:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Aquaman already has a page — but I don't think that's the Aquaman you had in mind! :) I've added the Abzorbaloff, and others can edit mercilessly and worry about the image question. (I don't really understand what's fair use and what isn't, so I'll leave it to those who do.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Shaun Lyon at Outpost Gallifrey's News Page has the Abzorbaloff appearing in Episode 10. (Look at the mini-episode guide in the left column.) We probably shouldn't be that specific without official confirmation, but the press release linked above does strongly suggest that the Abz. will appear in the 2006 season. I don't think "expected" is too strong a word in this circumstance. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Some new photos, from Heat magazine, have emerged of the Abzorbaloff in costume and full prosthetics. Should the picture be updated to show the actual monster and not just a sketch? Selia lahugeea 17:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

See the discussion at the bottom of the page.--Keycard (talk) 17:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quarks

I know they just got moved here from their own page, but it just occurred to me that they might be more logically placed at List of Doctor Who robots. On the other hand, we've got more info about them than that page's current format allows. Opinions? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I moved the Quarks here but agree a robots page would be better, though am equally happy with the ohter suggestion made to rename this page aliens and monsters. The List of robots is, however, just that - a list - not a series of articles. Litefoot 08.03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page title

There's been some discussion at the WikiProject about renaming this article. It was previously named List of Doctor Who monsters, which didn't really cover folks like the Moxx of Balhoon and the Draconians, and is currently named List of Doctor Who aliens, which doesn't really cover Earth-based mutations like the Primords and the Giant Maggots. (The earlier move discussion is here.) I suggested that we move the page to List of Doctor Who monsters and aliens, and NPChilla proposed List of Doctor Who aliens and monsters for the sake of alphabetical order. I don't feel strongly about the word order (although my preference is still for "monsters and aliens", since "Doctor Who monster" is a standard phrase), but I do think that a move to include both would be a good idea. Do others agree? Does anyone else have a preference for "aliens and monsters" or "monsters and aliens"? If we can get a consensus here I'll take care of the move (and relevant redirects) next week before I leave for Gallifrey (the convention, not the planet...) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

So, er... anybody have any opinions about the move? Shall I just be bold? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:55, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
"Monsters and aliens" seems like the best compromise.--Sean Black (talk) 23:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Either way fine by me. I've become involved with previous conversations and recognise, much like Edward VIII in 1936, that "Something must be done". Good luck as I'm sure it's no small job. Litefoot 04.32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Right, I'm just going to bite the bullet and do it. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I've taken care of all the double redirects, but there are still a lot of links that need to be fixed. I'll try to finish it up tomorrow — it's after 3 in the morning where I am. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 08:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Good start - well done! Litefoot 11.12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I was in the process of s-l-o-w-l-y fixing the remaining links, but Chris the speller pointed out that it wasn't necessary: see here. I suppose that if that's the case, we're done with this move. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Gelth

The line "gas from decomposing bodies or the living in the gas pipes common to Victorian era households." needs recomposing as it doesn't really make sense. I suggest: "gas from decomposing bodies or natural gas in the gas pipes common to Victorian era households." Any comments? --Brerbunny 20:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree, and have made the change you suggest. I think that sort of fix is noncontroversial enough that you can just be bold and do it without discussion. (I've been asking about other changes because I think they might be more controversial, or might benefit from discussion before they were made.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Natural gas didn't come into use in the UK until around the 70s following production from the North Sea fields. Prior to that the gas used was coal (aka town) gas. I'll make the change. Sharm 09:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sad Tony

No listing? For shame! --Aderack 06:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Krotons

Do they belong on this list? According to the episode page The Krotons are crystalline creatures created in chemical vats. Aside from the head, though, they look distinctly robotic. Thoughts?

Blueminute 02:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split up

At some point this list will need to be split up. It is not yet complete, and already it is huge and hard to navigate Tim (meep) 13:44, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

A-M and N-Z? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:52, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Alternatively, we need to be more discriminating. I'm not sure that Taran Beast, or Argolins, or Dulcians, or Drahvins, etc. need to have their entries even here as much of this can be incorporated into the story articles themselves. How many of these are actually notable? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:54, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I would like to propose stopping adding new entries until we sort this out and get some kind of consensus — although there's been a lot of good work here, it's getting to the point where the page is getting unweildy and I'm looking at a lot of the entries and thinking they aren't really notable (even stuff that I originally created). We need to either firm up our criteria, or find some way to split up the page. Alternatively, we could cut down on the descriptions entirely and leave it as a table with just pointers to the episode articles, which probably duplicate a lot of the information anyway. Thoughts? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:00, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes I guess splitting up is just an invitation to add even more cruft:) Severe paring might be the way forward, to maybe the level of robots and planets. Tim (meep) 17:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
That would make sense. It does seem strange that both Jagaroth and Scaroth have separate entries in two different lists, and that minimalised ones such as Hy-Bractor even exist. NP Chilla 22:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Unless anyone objects or keeps the discussion going, I'm probably going to cut down turn this page into something similar to List of Doctor Who items in a few days when I find the time. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Having written a few of these I'm a bit disappointed that it can't just be split up, but I can understand the reasoning. It will however make me think twice about spending time producing copy for sections like this in the future, but I guess that is probably my bad judgement rather than anyone else's. Maybe pages like this need some sort of recommendation on length etc to avoid people wasting time. You can take this as an objection, but I seem to be a bit of a lone voice. Ho hum. This isn't meant to be as negative as it probably reads. Litefoot 22:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
It's my bad judgment as well, really, because I've contributed to the page as much as anybody. What I don't think any of us anticipated was how much it would grow out of control. Perhaps what I can do is create a sandbox version of a proposed new page and then have everyone take a whack at it. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I think if we remove some of the boxes and images the page will be become a bit more manageable, and should allow say one to two paragraphs per entry. I'm not sure if we can really justify so many fair-use images on one page anyway. Tim! 21:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abzorbaloff

The BBC have released a picture of the actual Abzorbalof [1]. However, the image is taken from Behind-the-scenes filming, and you can see crew members and cameras in the background. Should this image be used until the episode airs, or just keep the hand drawn image? smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 15:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Use that picture, or the one on DWO.--Keycard (talk) 16:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I've gone for the BBC one; the DWO looks a bit fuzzy, and its just a cropped version of the Beeb one. SMURRAY|IN|CHESTER 18:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I have another point - should the Abzorbaloff be under the Monsters and Aliens section, or the Villains section, as as far as it seems there is only one that the Doctor is to face, and we don't even know if he comes from a "race" as such... The_B 19:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

We're not 100% sure he's a villain yet. It could be that that thing at the end of the trailer is the real villain, or something. I think that the Abz. is a villain, myself, but it's not yet been confirmed.--Keycard (talk) 06:52, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Right, the episode has been aired, and it's quite clear to me it's a villain, so I'm moving it - the main reason being that "Abzorbaloff" isn't even it's real name as such (in the story anyway)The_B 20:25, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slitheen

I think that the Slitheen was one of the creepiest aliens since the Gelth. Remember when Michey uses viniger to kill the Slitheen inspector. "Citizens of planet Earth , we are facing a cross-species war. But we know the ememy's weakness! You can all help in the war effort, so arm yourselves with jars of pickeled onions!" Darkwarlock999

[edit] The Pig Alien

I know that pig alien in Wolrd War III was just a normal pig in a spacesuit made by the Slitheen, but I think we should really put it in the article as an alien, mentioning its real purpose. -- Evilgidgit 16:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-notability

These are the aliens I feel are non-notable and can be eliminated from the listing or merged/redirected to their respective story titles. Please discuss.

The others are either notable, popular, or have appeared in more than one media, or a combination of these. The listed aliens are the ones I think can be done away with, although I am aware that arguments can be made for retaining some of them in some form. Please, let us discuss this and establish some criteria for inclusion. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 00:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

My friend, that is practically getting rid of every monster on the article. I think it is best they stay in, not just revert them to their episode of appearance, it happens to often on Wikipedia in my opinion. Not to mention you got rid of my adding of the Platform One aliens. It took me four hours to do, and I find it very unfair. You can go ahead and delete half of the aliens, but it will make this aritcle look sadly unprofessional and not complete. That's all I'm saying. Think first before you take action. -- Evilgidgit 07:53, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Fairness doesn't enter into it: it's a question of notability. And I'm not sure what you mean by "unprofessional". Surely listing every single alien species mentioned in the series makes it look overly fannish and therefore unprofessional in an encyclopedic sense? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I think we should go for the approach of a short description (a few sentences, max 1 paragraph) of each monster or alien as per List of Doctor Who planets with minimal plot elements and spoilers. Tim! 08:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I would support something like this. The infoboxes also don't really contribute much in this regard (see, for example, List of Doctor Who spin-off companions for how this can look). Better to limit them to aliens that have their own articles. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 09:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Possibly the serials where monsters-of-the-week appear could have a section about the monsters-of-the-week apart from the recounting of the narrative? Morwen - Talk 19:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
The infoboxes in many cases are just bloating the article when the monster has only appeared in one episode or serial. Morwen's idea would work quite well for ones like Abzorbaloff, with all the Blue Peter competition details being at Love & Monsters.Tim! 19:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm happy with the idea of moving the stuff from this page to the episode pages, but not destroying it. I know quite a bit is "non-notable", but it's a lot of good info, and I'd hoped this list would eventually be comprehensive. To see it deleted would make me feel very sad. Especialy when you consider the number of articles about pop singers, actors, video games etc. They're "fannish" as well! RobbieG 21:25, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
The problem being if the list is to have all monsters, then the descriptions of each monster should be short, or we have a few "notable" monsters with fuller descriptions. The page is at the high end of recommended length at the moment. Tim! 21:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I also note that I am not suggesting that the page be deleted, merely culled to a manageable size. Tim's solution is a good one; again, List of Doctor Who spin-off companions is a good example of the look I'm visualising: no infoboxes, small pictures, one paragraph descriptions, lots of pointers. I also like Morwen's idea of monsters-of-the-week in their own section on the story articles. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 00:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
This one keeps going round and round with the same people advocating heavy pruning every few months. Personally I've no problem with a fuller compendium but can see the merits of shorter summaries too. Where I feel strongly is that I feel a bit led up the garden path. Because the page was already established with the format of longer entries when I started writing for it, I contributed many of these articles on that basis. All of my articles are now proposed for deletion, but that's not surprising as I deliberately went for some less notable species as I hoped casual readers might find that more informative and inviting. If people were unhappy with the format of this page, they should have done something about it a lot sooner. There have been many "non-notable" species on this page for a long while. After all, as people suggest, the problem is volume more than anything else and that is a style issue that should have been sorted out near the start. If you want to prune, get on with it, rather than keep asking. Personally I'll be less inclined to contribute text to a page such as this in the future. Litefoot 05:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry you feel that way, but there was no real intention to mislead anybody. The thing is, this page started out manageably, trying to compile together information on monsters which were really too insubstantial or minor to stand on their own. And then people started adding stuff - which was fine in the beginning, but with no firm criteria established, it started to go into kitchen sink territory, especially with plot information liberally sprinkled in, duplicating the story articles. The reason why I don't just cull it is because I want this to reflect consensus, and to certain degree I'm pissed off at having to be the bad guy all the time and take flack for hurt feelings for doing stuff that other people don't seem to want to do and yet tacitly approve of anyway. The fault is all around; we should have established clear boundaries, and this was not done. No one is trying to belittle your contributions: in fact, some of my own stuff is included in the above list. But the fact remains is that this page has gotten out of control, and feelings don't really enter into it. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 06:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think you're a bad guy, and I appreciate your efforts, I just think this one should have been nipped more purposefully earlier. I agree the fault is all around, not just in your own role as moderator. And yes, I don't object to a serious edit. Maybe it could start with "kitchen sink territory" stuff in each entry and then there's be a much smaller page to make it easier to evaluate. I really don't mind what happens though, and I think my earlier missive may have appeared more disgruntled than I intended. Litefoot 06:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mis-placed "Forest of Cheem"?

This species is native to our Earth, so they are not alien. Are they "monsters"? --Billpg 10:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

That depends on your definitions of the terms. The Forest of Cheem are 'monsters' in the sense that they are fictional animals, but they don't seem terribly monstrous - they just look like rather leafy humans! Likewise they are 'alien' to Earth as we know it - certainly, from our or Rose's point of view, they are 'alien' in that sense of the word - but it's hard to say beyond that. I mean, maybe there are people who could correct me here if I'm getting it wrong, but I thought the Forest came from Earth in the form of plain-old average trees and evolved an intelligence on another planet. Whatever the case, I don't think I'd be wrong in saying that if the Sisters of Plenitude and the New Humans are alien, so are the Forest. They are all descended from Earth beings, but they didn't evolve on Earth, as far as we know. RobbieG 12:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
It's made clear that although the Forest of Cheem may have ancestors that came from Earth - Jabe is a direct descendant of the Amazon rainforest - the three trees that appear are not actually from from Earth. After all, as the Doctor points out, the Earth is empty by 5.5/Apple/26; everyone's gone. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
We know that Jabe & co. aren't from Earth, the question is whether the species evolved on Earth or elsewhere. If space travel is possible, then merely having Earth ancestors doesn't guarantee that a species evolved on Earth itself. What I'm wondering now is whether that makes them extraterrestrial beings in the truest sense of the lexeme or not. Clearly the ability to live away from Earth is no guarantee of this as the same can be said of human beings in Doctor Who. RobbieG 08:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Probably not; the Silurians and the Sea Devils, certainly, are definitely not extraterrestrial in any sense. But I think we're covered with the "monster" label - the Forest certainly does appear in Justin Richard's Monsters and Aliens book, and while the Forest of Cheem do look reasonably humanoid and are not baddies in any sense, I think the kiddies would still class them as "monsters" in the same way as, say, the Menoptera and Optera are. Not to mention that the lead to this article mentions that the list includes some non-extraterrestrial races. "List of Doctor Who monsters, aliens and non-humans" or variations thereof seems a trifle unwieldy. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 09:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major races

Shouldn't everything with a description linked to also have a short summary here? That's how template:main is usually employed.


[edit] Series Two Monsters

User:Clockworkrobot here. See my user page by clicking on the link. It has articles of every single monster from this new series and various enemies like Father Angelo and the Bretherin.

Enough about that, I think that for the monsters article we could divide it into eras.

The sixties era page:

  • Daleks-Goes to the main article.
  • Voords
  • Sensorites
  • Zarbi
  • Other creatures of Vortis-Comes up as another part to the Zarbi article. Information about Menoptera, Venom Grub, etc.
  • Chumblies
  • Rills
  • Drahhvins? NOTE: Sorry if i've misplet it, i'm in a rush.
  • Monoids
  • Cybermen-Redirects to main article.
  • Fish people
  • Chamelion
  • Yeti-Redirects to main article.
  • Ice Warriors-Redirects to main article.
  • Weed creature
  • Quarks (possible to be put in robots)
  • Krotons (possible to be put in robots)


The seventies:

Various such as Auton, Sea Devil, Silurians, Sea Devils, Spiders, Wirrn, Mandrels, Zygons, Exxilons, Chronovores, Solonian Mutants, Kroll (villains?), Jagaroth etc.


The eighties:

The Mara (villain?), Sil (villain?), Terreleptils, Plasmatons, Cheetah people, Haemovores, Tractators etc.


The spin-off media:

I don't know any spin-off monsters. I do no:

  • Waterhive
  • Hy-Bractor
  • Quevvils


The 2000s:

Possible to be split 2005-2008, 2008-2010 (if series lasts that long)

  • Platform One aliens
  • Gelth
  • Slitheen-redirects to main page
  • Jagrafess (villain?)
  • Reapers
  • Empty Child (villain?)
  • Dalek Emperor-Dalek variants page?
  • Sycorax
  • Sisters of Plenitude
  • The Flesh
  • Werewolf
  • Krillitanes
  • Clockwork Robots (robot page?)
  • The Wire (villain?)
  • The Ood
  • The Beast (villain?)
  • Abzorbaloff/Victor Kennedy (villain?)
  • Chloe/Isolus (villain)
  • Living drawings (includes living pictures, scribble, Chloe's dad)
  • Ghosts (brief information about them).-Main information redirects to Cybermen.

Please contact back.

Oh- I would like to join your Wikipedia Doctor Who Project. The programme is wonderful and I am a huge fan.

[edit] We need to split this page up

...as has been mentioned before, because even with as mush discrimination as useful the article is still too/very long. The only problem is, how would we split it up? Here are some ideas:

  • A-M, N-Z
  • By type (plant, reptilian, humanoid, misc, etc)
  • By Series (first Doctor, second Doctor, third Doctor, etc)(for ones that occur in more than one series, perhaps a different list, like "Doctor Who recurring aliens and monsters", perhaps?)
  • Or just don't split it up and leave the page very long.

So, which way do the main editors think would work best? ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 11:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Slice it down some more would be my preference. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Slice it down? In what way? ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 09:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Get rid of everything that is plot-related as opposed to actually lending context to characteristics of the race, or that can be transferred to the episode/story itself: Argolin and Foamasi are examples of this, and single-shot creatures like the Gelth or the Waterhive that can be merged with the story articles. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 11:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the process already begun of moving "single-shot creatures" out of this article and into story articles is an appropriate way to proceed. As original author of Foamasi, Argolin, and Macra am happy with that approach. --Litefoot 21:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
It's a good idea, but I still think that the page'll be too long. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 12:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Idea for splitting page up

We could split the page up by four different sections:

  • A page for the 1960s.
  • A page for the 1970s.
  • A page for the 1980s.
  • A page for the 2000s.

Therefore we can add more articles in and have more room, restoring all the articles redirected to their episode such as Bandril-Timelash. Doing that cuts off information.

We could also merge Silurians and Sea Devils into one article, and do we really need a seperate article for werewolves?

Some monsters deserve their own pages such as:

  • Haemovores-There's a lot to write about them, not enough to fit in one category.
  • Creatures of New Earth-Would have articles on the Sisters of Plenitude, The Flesh, Chip.
  • Creatures of Vortis-Article to be merged with the Zarbi one. Features Menoptera, Venom Grub, Optera, Animus, Zarbi.

Please reply to User:Mr. Garrison

I personally think that the last two of Mr. Garrison's ideas are quite good (basically, that Doctor Who planets with lots of species on should have their own list). But, other people who watch this page - khaosworks, etc - what do you think? ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 16:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Categorising them with named articles for decades is not useful because people simply don't search for articles that way. And an article like "Creatures of New Earth" would be pointless duplication since all the available information is in New Earth itself, ditto with The Web Planet and the Haemovores, which can be incorporated into Vampire (Doctor Who). Creatures that appear in more than one story are more notable and merit their own articles, hence the separate articles for Sea Devil, Silurian, Werewolves and so on. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Mr. Garrison I think we should all take a vote on which monsters to include, I see your poits Khaosworks, people wouldn't search by decade. We could have up to 20 or so monsters listed since some, like Varga Plants aren't well-known. People will not want to read about these when other important creatures may not be listed. We should each nominate 5 monsters and the top 20 should be put on the page. Or we could create a seperate template which could go for Doctor Who Monsters stating pages of monsters with their own article, Doctor Who Monsters List A-M and finally N-Z.

[edit] Template:Doctor Who monsters

Here is a brief idea for a template on Doctor Who monsters:

Doctor Who Monsters and Aliens
Main Pages
A-M | N-Z
Main Monsters Articles
Auton | Draconian | Ice Warrior | Ogron | Rutan Host | Sea Devil | Silurian | Slitheen | Sontaran | Thal | Vampire | Werewolf
See Also
Doctor Who | Cyborgs and Robots in Doctor Who

Mr. Garrison 18:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

That's actually quite a good idea. However, it reminds me of a (completely unrelated) point: How come Yeti is listed? It's technically a robot, not a living creature. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 17:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

REPLY: Good point! Mr. Garrison 11:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, the Movellans are robots (androids, to be precise) as well, so why are they on there? There's actually probably quite a few robots listed here as monsters and aliens (Cybermen and Daleks don't count as they are actually cyborgs). ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 13:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, back to the template...

I've changed it to A-M and N-Z as per other alphabetically split lists. If there are any problems with that, just say. Or type. Typing is better, seeming as if you just say then I can't hear you. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 13:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

New idea:

Monsters, aliens, robots and cyborgs in Doctor Who
Main Pages
A-M | N-Z
Main Monsters Articles
Auton | Cyberman | Dalek | Draconian | Ice Warrior | Movellan | Ogron | Rutan Host | Sea Devil | Silurian | Slitheen | Sontaran | Thal | Vampire | Werewolf | Yeti | Zygon
See Also
Doctor Who
Hmm... I think that robots should be kept a seperate list, though. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 18:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


I've updated my first template:

Doctor Who Monsters and Aliens
Main Pages
A-M | N-Z
Main Monsters Articles
Auton | Draconian | Ice Warrior | Ogron | Rutan Host | Sea Devil | Silurian | Slitheen | Sontaran | Thal | Vampire | Werewolf
See Also
Doctor Who | Cyborgs and Robots in Doctor Who

Mr. Garrison 20:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)



[edit] Breaking up the page

We really need to start splitting this page up, it is getting critical, I have made templates for monsters/aliens and robots/cyborgs. Could someone back me up on splitting the page up, Khaosworks, Ghelae? Mr. Garrison 20:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

  • For, it is very long, it would be easier to find a specific alien if the page was split up, and many have already commented on the need to split the page up. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 15:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


Right, now we should all decide on how to split the page up. Either:

  • A-M, N-Z
  • Page One, Page Two
  • 60s, 70s, 80s, 2000s, Other

Please leave comments below, then we can start splitting it up.

Well...
  1. Decades are bad (I'll think about why),
  2. Page numbers are a bad idea because it is not precise which page means what,
  3. Therefore, we come to the conclusion that A-M and N-Z are better. Also, alphabetically-named lists are found throughout Wikipedia, e.g. List of Star Wars races, etc.
~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 15:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


Do we need aproval from others before we can start splitting the page up, what do you think Khaosworks? Decades, page one/two, A-M/N-Z? Mr. Garrison 14:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm still not entirely convinced that the page needs to be split up, myself. I've been waiting to see what others think. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I think we should split it up into A-Dak, Dal-Lek, and Lel-Z. Hmmm...just kidding.DonQuixote 22:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Monster articles within episodes

I think I have a better idea. For the redirections to episode article such as Cheetah People-Survival. Survival could have a section put in it about Cheetah People.

[edit] Weevil?

Do Torchwood only aliens get listed here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Billpg (talk • contribs) 02:07, 23 October 2006.

Possibly, however a seperate list might need to be made, however the Torchwood aliens may be kept in this list until there's enough of them. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 07:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Robots

Looking through this list, I've found many actual robots, which are not technically monsters or aliens, such as:

So should these be moved to the List of Doctor Who robots? Or is there a reason to keep them on this page? ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 16:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Technically, all of them should be moved, but before we do that, List of Doctor Who robots needs a redoing; the categorisation by Doctor is actually growing more unweildy and making it more obscure. If we can reformat that page to be more like this one, then moving Quarks and Gundans over wouldn't be as awkward. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
That should really be discussed at that article's talk page rather than here, the list of robots is now a mess. Tim! 08:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Creatures from Earth

Haemavores, Sea Devils and Silurians originated from Earth, yet they are still listed as aliens.

By the way do we still have a problem with the length of this page? I think I have a few ideas on it.

Actually, Sea Devils et al. are the "monsters" mentioned in the title, not the aliens. Laïka 17:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Plus, what are your ideas? ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 17:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page

As mentioned above I agree the page is a bit long. I'm new to Wikipedia so excuse my ideas if they're not that good. I think that we should have a separate articles for old and new series because some people could be confused.

  • Xdt 15:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
If we have a few new articles for monsters we could have less info on the page.
This is an example of what we use. No infoboxes and small picture:

--The Gelth--

The Gelth are a gaseous life form that appeared in the 2005 episode The Unquiet Dead. Their bodies were destroyed in the time war and they travelled to Earth via the rift. They then inhabited dead bodies from a Cardiff funeral parlour where the rift comes out. The Gelth are capable of flying at incredible speed and can also float.

I am using this as a test for the Sisters of Plenitude. Please do not edit the section. Xdt (talk • contribs)

You can't really ask people not to edit a page - use a sandbox if you want to test something. --Brian Olsen 18:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I mean while I'm typing it. Do what you want after just wait until it's finished please--which it is! Please take a look and see what you think. It could be a new format for the page I hope. Happy New Year everyone! Xdt (talk • contribs)
Personally, I still prefer the idea I gave on my talk page, which is that a smaller image size in the infoboxes will help make some of the infoboxes that are longer than the text so that they are the same size or smaller than the text and therefore make the page slightly shorter, and also, for species in which there are no pictures on Wikipedia, no infoboxes so there is more room for the text also shrinking the page down. If you get what I mean. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 10:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I see your point, maybe the infoboxes could be shrunken. I'm going to test it on my talk page. Yes, smaller images would also work. Any other views? This is my redesign:
Doctor Who race
Empress of Racnoss
Type Hybrid of human and arachnid
Afilliation Racnoss Empire
Homeworld Racnoss
Début The Runaway Bride

Xdt (talk • contribs)

I don't really think there's much of a reason for the text to be shrunk, just the images, as the text then appears out-of-size compared to the rest, but the size of the pics (as long as they're not tiny or gigantic) doesn't really matter so much. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 19:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Good point, but when you look at the normal template its very space. It's all very well having a nice bit of space, but when it takes up valuable room it becomes a problem. I hope you understand my reason for shrinking the text, it would be very much appreciated if you could do a bit of jiggery-pokery - that's supposed to be a technical term - and sort the template to how you think it should be. We could then discuss our views on it if that's okay. Xdt (talk • contribs)
I suppose it'd be okay if the text would shrunk, but I think the species name should stay the same size, just for clarity. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 10:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from Judoon

Please merge any relevant content from Judoon per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Judoon. Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2007-01-02 07:59Z

I didn't see that page before it was deleted, but I suggest that we hold off adding anything about the Judoon to this page until the episode has aired. We know what they look like, but not much more than that. (In particular, I'd like to keep the speculation about whether they're connected to the Sontarans off of this page, as it's completely unencyclopedic.) What we do know about them can be kept at Smith and Jones (Doctor Who) for now. Anyone disagree? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, but possibly use no images yet or any spoilers--for now at least. When the 2007 press release comes out we should be able to add a bit more. Xdt (talk • contribs)


I would just like to pose a question... are the judoon really a race? We only see the leaders face. They could be multiraces as they are "galactic police."

Apparently, they are a single race. All the helmets have the same shape, for example, and it would seem a bit stupid to a a rhino-head-shaped helmet for, say, a Plasmavore. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 13:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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