Talk:List of Christian metal bands

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What about bands like Blindside, boysetsfire or Thrice? Don't they have a certain christian influence? /arnewpunkt

The net is full of crappy listings, which try to mention every "Christian" band who has a shitty live tape or a picture on the internet. If we want such a list to wikipedia, there must be clear principles. Classifying by letter does not make much sense to me, as the name doesn't usually tell much about the band. I suggest the bands would be classified either by subgenre or region (country). Only major bands should be accepted, ie. bands that have several official (full-length) releases, or bands that are otherwise remarkable.

If the bands are to be classified regionally, the subgenre should be mentioned after the name, or if classified by subgenre, then vice versa. --theologist

Where's Dream Theater, P.O.D. ? [Tempus]

Dream Theater is not a Christian band, however I will add P.O.D. - AugustWinterman

[edit] Notability

There has today been a lot of new articles created that have been linked from this page. They have all been deleted because they were either copyvios, or did not express notability. Just a friendly note, before anyone else wastes their time creating articles only for them to be deleted 20 minutes later. The JPS talk to me 20:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Citations Needed

I believe many of these bands need citations. I have been a follower of the CM scene since I was 7 years old (20 years later...) and haven't heard of many of these bands. This list should be reserved to bands that are significant in some manner, not just an everyday garage band. --One Redeemer 19:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)Iamvery

[edit] Disturbed

Hold on. I like Disturbed, but their lead singer, David Draiman, is Jewish. His grandfather is a holocaust survivor. Based upon this, how is Disturbed considered Christian Metal? Can someone explain?

[edit] Black Metal bands

I've added quiet a few black metal bands... most of them you probably have never heard of... before you delete them, go look them up, I spent hours researching them, they're all safe =] Roozbenjrox 13:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, quite a few of the bands I added are from Europe, Mexico, etc. So the lyrics are in Spanish/Ukraine etc. not English, does anyone think we should have non-English bands? Roozbenjrox 13:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no such thing as Christian 'black metal'. Even if 'Christian metal' is not an oxymoron, Christian 'black metal' certainly is. Especially if they are 'safe'. Add them, by all means, if they are notable, but do not call them 'black metal'. The Crying Orc 15:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Then what do we call them? Unblack Metal, White Metal? Sounds stupid to me, it's just a name. They have almost every element of black metal, except the lyrics, so why call it something else? And how does it not exist... How many black metal bands that label themselves as Christian call themselves "White metal" or whatever suits you? Roozbenjrox 12:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


I removed them, as none of them had articles. --Inhumer 06:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You can't have a black metal band with pro-Christian lyrics anymore than you can have a realist painting with unicorns in it. It's physically impossible. Ours18 17:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Says who Ours18? you? Are you the god of metal and only what you say can be metal is metal? All hail Ours18 "THE METAL GOD" - ETAC

He's wrong that Black Metal can't be Cristian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unblack_metal You can't argue that. --Trusader 03:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Be aware: You provided a link to a page that calls "Christian Black Metal" "UNBLACK Metal" If this is the case, then there is no such thing as "Christian Black Metal" only its variant, "Unblack Metal." It may sound cheesy, but you can't have it both ways. Jlricherson 17:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Corrected Links

I added some (band) notations to the groups whose links were to the wrong pages. I do not know whether any of these bands would have pages, maybe someone should check this out. While said person is checking it out, please to check also if they are really Christian bands. While I was at it, I removed the link to System of a Down, but not before making sure they weren't really a Christian band. A quick check of the lyrical content reassures me of this. Jlricherson 04:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I added SOAD and trust me they are Christian, look at the lyrics to Question! and Soldier Side. Also I added Flaw and someone deleted them, look at the lyrics to Whole. --Trusader 22:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

One or two songs don't make a band christian --Inhumer 02:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

So if there was a small band with only 4 songs and all contained the exact lyrics "I am Christian!" They wouldn't be christian because it is only a few songs. --Trusader 04:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


Those were just a few. Chop Suey references the death of Jesus for example. Please, trust me they are christian --Trusader 19:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

No, They're not. --Inhumer 00:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, SOAD and Flaw are a Hard Rock bands, so they don't belong on the lists anyway--Inhumer 00:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia describes them as metal groups for one thing. And second give me one reason they are not christian. Just to be a nice guy I will stop adding them till we hashed this out. Now actually prove your point instead of repeatedly saying things without backing them up. --Trusader 03:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

As I have already told you, One or two songs with references to something of christian nature don't make a band christian. --Inhumer 18:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Refer to his answer to that question moron. --66.208.76.129 19:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
WP:PA, Also, you could of just logged in and said that --Inhumer 00:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I didn't. --Trusader 01:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
And besides that was kind-of a personal attack, saying I posted that. That isn't even my ip.--Trusader 03:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I apologize then. --Inhumer 02:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Accepted. --Trusader 03:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, if wikipedia describes them as metal it's because wikipedia doesn't properly classify bands for almost any genre. They aren't listed on the Encyclopaedia Metallum, they have been described as hard rock with slight metallic influences in numerous magazines, and I've not met a single metal fan who considers them metal. So there you have it. Not metal. And even if you go by the false definition provided by Uncle Wiki, they still aren't Christian by a long shot. "References the death of Christ?" Thousands of blatantly anti-Christian metal bands have done that. Ours18 04:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


in an interview, Daron Malakian is quoted to have said: "The song is about how when people die, they will be regarded differently depending on the way they pass. Like, if I were to die from a drug overdose, everyone would say I deserved it because I abused drugs, hence the line 'Angels deserve to die'. -From the wikipedia page for Chop Suey! --Inhumer 00:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, fine that one line. But "father in your hands I commend my spirit father in your hands hy have you forsaken me, In your eyes forsaken me, In your thoughts forsaken me In your heart forsaken me oh" Thats a reference to God (Father). --Trusader 01:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
But that's all it is, merely a reference. It doesn't support Christian moral teachings at all. If anything, it's a mockery of Jesus's last hours upon Earth, using it as a comparison for any other ordinary death---nothing special, in other words. The idea that Jesus' death wasn't special is a direct contrast with everything I was ever taught about Christianity at school---and I went to Catholic schools for 14 years. Ours18 02:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I was in Sunday school myself for about 10 years (Lutheran). I don't know if thats what SOAD meant but I see your point. Please refer downward to the other part.

I just read the lyrics to Question! and Soldier Side. Soldier Sidemay contain the word "God", but is obviously about war. Question! seems to about dreaming. --Inhumer 00:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It actually in one line they say "Wondering when JESUS comes is he gonna be saved" of course it's about war that isn't the point. Just like arguing weather or not they are metal isn't the point, that should be done some place else. Question is about life after death. --Trusader 01:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, that IS the point. A simple mention of something Christian does not make a band Christian. That line about the return of Jesus expresses doubt of the second coming and a somewhat bitter sarcasm of Christian beliefs. Furthermore, Jesus IS saved so they are indicating there is something wrong with him. Once again, not Christian. Ours18 02:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
That wasn't my point which was the point in the first place. But nevermind I can't find any good facts to prove they are of any religion in particular so of now it's just best to leave them out. Oh, just as a side note he said When jesus comes, thats expresses no doubt as to his coming, just weather or not he can make it into heaven, which every Christian has probably felt at one point in their life. --Trusader 03:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Jesus isn't the one wondering if he's going to be saved, the soldier is. --Trusader 01:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I know a good test: read the lyrics to "F*** the System." Wow, they have to be NOT Christian. Jlricherson 17:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SOAD

I agree, they are not Christian nor metal. I think they are more muslim then anything. Iamvery 20:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they're Muslim either. --Inhumer 20:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

This argument is settled already. --Trusader 23:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can music be defined as Christian?

A debate I've gotten into many times. Is it totally accurate to define a type of music as Christian? And if so, why aren't we defining other bands based on their religious beliefs? Why isn't their an "atheist metal" section at the local record shop? In some ways, I think defining a music with a Christian message as "Christian" hinders sales for bands that are just as capable if not better than their counterparts.

Technically, when it all comes down to it, music is music. It can be used in many ways, some use it to glorify God, some to glorify evil. Iamvery 20:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

When I call a band a Christian band I'm describes the people in the band not the style music. Thats why Christian Metal is still genrelized in the same subgenres as secular metal. The Christian tag is just to let people know what they are about and for fans of metal who are Christians to find bands that share snd express similar beliefs as they do. - E Tac

[edit] Sorting by genres

Would it be possible to list or organize these bands also within their subgenres to make this a more informative list or not? - E Tac

Cristian Metal is a subgenere already. --Trusader 03:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Not Really, genrelizing it only as Christian and nothing else does nothing to describe the sound of the music itself, only the people playing it and the lyrics to it. So categorizing the bands in this list also by the style of metal they play seems like a reasonable idea to me. If bands were only genrelized by their lyrical content imagine what it would be like walking into a record store. --E tac 11:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I see your point now. I would agree. --Trusader 00:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] H.I.M.

Hi, I was already familiar with the article but I went through my iTunes library and re-discovered H.I.M.'s song "The Face Of God"... I was just wondering if they have any more references to religion in any ways, and if they might be considered as Christian metal... Just wonderin'! ^^ --Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me! • See my edits!) 21:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't think they are a Christian band. --E tac 22:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Or Metal for that matter.--Inhumer 06:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metal?

A lot of the bands on this page cannot be classified as 'metal' such as Underoath, P.O.D. and especially mewithoutyou

If you think they don't belong, feel free to remove them, but be aware that others may disagree. I personally recommend removing all bands that fail to mention "christian metal" explicitly on their pages... That'd keep genre disputes where they belong, and keep them consistent throughout the encyclopaedia. --Dane ~nya 14:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
The question is what about bands that mention metalcore or nu metal? should those stay or go?--E tac 21:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, from what I've heard, they aren't considered "metal" as such. If the page mentioned christian metal, as well as the others, I would still list it for consistency, like a few other lists. For example, I'd put Trivium in both the metalcore and thrash metal lists. --Dane ~nya 02:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that the metalcore and nu metal bands should stay in the list. Although I agree that those genres are not metal, I think that this list should have Christian bands in any subgenre of metal mentioned at list of heavy metal genres. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 02:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree with that. 'Cept the related genres naturally. --Dane ~nya 03:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I think nu-metal and metalcore are fine for the list. I was talking about the alternative, post-hardcore, and emo bands on the list Bloodredchaos 10:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Ah, ok. I hadn't noticed that. (Then again, I was only really reading the talk page in any depth. :-) ) There's a list of Christian rock bands for them. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 14:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I removed a bunch of bands, some just didn't have a page, I think we should reword the sentence at the top so people refrain from adding bands who are described as hardcore and not metalcore. Also let me know if there was something I shouldn't have removed.--E tac 22:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Bands and Profanity

Has anyone heard of "Beneath the Sky" and should they be in the list? All of their lyrics are positive, with "The Reason" actually about Jesus and salvation. The only problem is that on at least two songs, they use "curse words" (the f-word (but not in a vulgar way) and 'goddamned' but even Maylene and the Sons of Disaster use that, *update: MATSOD actually say "damn it all to hell"* in a non-profane way). My question is: should bands that use profanity be completely barred from the list, or can there be a Christian band with mild profanities in their lyrics? Could there be such a liberal sect of Christianity that is okay with this? Jlricherson 17:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Does the band itself consider themselves to be a "Christian" band? Trouble often wrote songs with Christian lyrics but the band never considered themselves a Christian band and they aren't listed here.--E tac 02:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Liner notes show the lead singer as professing faith in Jesus, but they don't promote themselves as a Christian band. The only problem I see with this methodology is the fact that very few Christian Metal bands go to great lengths to distinguish themselves as Christian in the marketplace. I think this is cleverly done to garner attention from the average fan, as the message boards and discussions of these bands usually fill up with profanity. Side note: if one of the main qualifiers for a band to be labeled "Christian Metal" is Christian lyrics and themes, then they would fit...otherwise, I guess you could use this formula to remove Zao as they no longer consider themselves as much a Christian band as they consider themselves a band with two Christians in it.--Jlricherson 18:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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