Talk:List of Chinook Jargon placenames
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[edit] Organization
Because of the search parameters of BC Basemap, I've added the NTS topo listings, and when USGS searches are incorporated will do the same for the name of the USGS quads; it occurs to me that lat-long positions are de rigeur, also, as well as locational desciptors like the range, river or region the locality/placename is in...gotta go to bed, though; but at least this is started. Some kind of overall organization is needed, and it may be that in cases like Skookum/Skook all the placenames should be on a separate subpage of this/ or/and on the Skookum page itself..Skookum1 08:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Variant words
This section notes words which may be local Chinook adaptions, but are not in regular lexicons:
- Klahkowit - "one who arrived openly" (klah=wide, ko-knock, arrive, wit - from ikt, "one", "person/thing who/that is something"; location is on Thompson River between Lytton and Spences Bridge, may be of Nlaka'pamux origin instead
- Skookoleel - unknown; maybe skook(um)+olallie (big berry)
- Wakeawasis - unknown; "not 'something'" if Chinook, but awasis is not recognized by this editor; could be Chinookan
- Wakeawasis Creek Lewis County WA stream Vanson Peak Quad 46.449ºN 122.234ºW
[edit] Debatables
[edit] Halo
- Halo Creek Douglas County OR stream Yoncalla Quad 43.598ºN 123.276ºW
- Halo Creek Lane County OR stream Huckleberry Mountain Quad 43.788ºN 122.260ºW
Halo can be the negative or "nothing", as also "wake"; but it's hard to say how these names were conferred, and/or if English "halo" was intended
[edit] Boston
Boston' in WA, OR and BC, and most of ID, is almost invariably of CJ origin for "American"; there are some instances in MT and maybe UT, NV, northern CA where they may be Chinook in origin; those in Alaska are in areas far from the CJ ecumene, but even so one near Fairbanks may have been conferred from CJ usage, depending on who named it and why.Skookum1 05:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Till
Till in the Jargon means "tired" or "heavy" (in spirits); there's a Till Bay and a Till Point, and both may be of CJ origin.Skookum1 05:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lum and Lumme
Lum is CJ for "rum" or any kind of spirits (when not whiskey, that is). Lum Creek and Mount Lum on NTS 82G/11 may be derived from this; or not. There's also Lumme Lake on the Naikoon Peninsula on Graham Island in the Charlottes; that may be of Haida origin, but if not Lumme would appear to be a mutation of lummi or lummieh, meaning "old woman" (from fr. la vieille, "widow") (as with, presumably/traditionally, Lummi Island and the Lummi Nation.Skookum1 06:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cole
Cole is CJ for "cold", and implicitly also "winter" (cole illahee - when the ground is cold). The similarity to the English surname Cole makes it difficult to tell when this is CJ or English, so none have been listed unless provenance information is found for the various "Cole" placenames searchable in BC Basemap or in the USGS search; Cole Canyon in Idaho seems likely, "but". ....Skookum1 00:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Need research: Klaskanine
- Klaskanine Fish Hatchery Clatsop OR locale unknown Green Mountain 46.089ºN 123.716ºW
- Klaskanine River Clatsop OR stream unknown Olney 46.093ºN 123.775ºW
- Klaskanine Summit Clatsop OR gap 1050 feet Green Mountain 46.047ºN 123.669ºW
Klaska is "they, them, theirs"; the -nine ending I don't recognize; this may be old Chinookan or it may be a Jargon-English hybrid. "There's nine (of them)", e.g.Skookum1 16:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
