Talk:List of Catholic American entertainers

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Colm Tóibín, the author and the actor are two different people

RE: COLM TOIBIN-- THIS IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE!!


9/2/05--Why won't the editors fix the name of this page--not all the Catholic actors, actresses, etc. included are/were U.S. citizens??? 67.100.109.48 20:49, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Hey, help us and remove the names of people not citizens of the USA. Dwain 22:25, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't this list be List of American Catholic Actors? -Acjelen 23:39, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Possible Delete

Does anyone else see this list as a bit stupid? StabRule 22:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

No, I think it is a great list. If you think it is stupid, then my suggestion is to not keep looking at all these lists that you believe are stupid. I find it interesting and invaluable. Dwain 15:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

About half of Catholic involved lists were deleted, partly through your efforts. That said I think it should be pared down as it seems way too long. Also it badly needs sources. Lastly I think a List of Catholic British actors would really be more interesting as, I believe, Catholics are a smaller minority in Britain then the US. (One souce says in the US it's a tiny bit under 22.5%, while in Britain it's a tiny bit under 8.5%.[1])--T. Anthony 08:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

This list has been suggested for deletion numerous times. If it goes, all religion-based listings (Lutheran, Jewish, Mormon, etc.) must go also!! (rms125a@hotmail.com)

Also, please email me (rms125a@hotmail.com) regarding bizarre deletions recently made in order to avoid a revert war which is unneccessary. Thanks!!

T. Anthony-re: List of Catholic British actors makes no sense. There are relatively few, and almost all are of Irish descent (and may hold Irish citizenship as well, which muddies things). See British Catholic Stage Guild if you want some more info.70.19.72.177 18:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey, I just took out a whole bunch of British and other foreign actors. I'm not sure if there's a list of British Catholic actors but that is where these people should be. JackO'Lantern 05:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with StabRule. A list of people's denomination is insignificant and irrelevant. What shall I do with this information? Some people may probably use it to split in good versus bad people.

User:martin8721 02:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, we have lists for everybody else. Just because some people don't find it useful, doesn't mean it shouldn't be out there for those who do. JackO'Lantern 02:27, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aiken/Wilson,etc.

Hey, the Wilson brothers are 100% Irish Catholic by birth, not conversion. See [2] "Wilson grew up in Dallas, the middle child of Irish Catholic parents who were both funny and creative; his mother is a photographer, his father a writer. The family is prone to a melancholy moodiness, an "Irish strain of depression," Wilson said, that goes back generations. "The Irish way of dealing with that is humor," he added." That is correct, I never said that they were not of Irish extraction, however their parents were lapsed and did not bring them up as Catholics, otherwise Owen would not have had to go through the RCIA as an adult to become a Roman Catholic, as he himself stated (and no, I don't remember which magazine, what date of issue, what volume, etc. this was in.

  • About Liam Aiken. I know his mother is Irish, but that doesn't necessarily make either her or him Catholic. Do you have some sort of a reference? The same for Sean Faris, he did go to a Catholic school but some complete non-Catholics do go to Catholic schools so we do need more than just that. JackO'Lantern 06:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rename?

"List of Catholic American Actors" sounds a little strange to me. I suggest renaming it to List of Catholic actors from the United States. "Catholic American" sounds like an ethnicity, which it isn't. (By comparison, "African American" is usually written without a hyphen in articles here.) Just as not all Muslims are Middle Eastern, not all Catholics are Irish, Spanish, Filipino, etc. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 01:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Haley Joel Osment

Anon user, do you really have a source that he is Catholic? We need something better than "I read somewhere" - you have to at least name the where. Plus, according to your page, you are a multiple-offending vandal. JackO'Lantern 04:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

If you think I am a multiple offending vandal, then don't bother contacting me. The requirements that you are demanding for the Osments, Sean Faris, and Liam Aiken are not ones you made regarding Jodi Lyn O'Leefe, Anita Colby, Kevin Federline, Caroline Kepcher (whose maiden name is unknown), Paula Raymond, Julia Barr, Joyce Randolph, et al. You have to have an equal standard for all. THE OSMENTS STAY!!

How am I anonymous when I gave you my name and email address?? (Robert Sieger email:rms125a@hotmail.com)

ASSHOLE!! 65.88.88.45 20:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from personal attacks and register a user account. If you think there are inadequate sources for the people you mentioned, then please remove them as well. The Osments can stay if you provide a source. JackO'Lantern 21:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I cannot register a user account due to a dispute with sysops "Jtdirl", who placed a hidden block on me through a secret account, as Jason Lunkwill uncovered. Unfortunately Lunkwill is both spineless and apparently unconcerned about these types of things.

Of the names above, I added all of them and you accepted them w/o question. You also accepted anyone with an Italian or Irish surname, even though that does not guarantee they are RC. Liam Aiken is returning and thew Osments are staying. If you don't like it--too bad. I created this list almost from scratch. Why don't you make a list of Canadian Catholic actors--eh??

Stay out of my work product.

This is not the way Wikipedia works. You are going to have to provide sources for these names. You certainly can not, and most assuredly will not, enforce your will here, especially being a several-times blocked vandal. JackO'Lantern 22:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

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All uncited/unsourced names must be removed or none will be without consensus.

Rms125a@hotmail.com email:rms125a@hotmail.com

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.88.88.45 (talk • contribs) .

Feel free to remove any names you are in doubt about; I will restore those with citations if they are Catholic. But I removed those who are either A. Not Catholic (Ryan O'Neal) or B. even you admitted that you don't know for sure if are Catholic, i.e. Liam Aiken. JackO'Lantern 23:27, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed Section

In the interests of peace, I added a "Disputed Category" at the end of the alphabet which includes those names which are in dispute. I have done this in good faith and I hope it is a satisfactory compromise. 70.19.45.202 17:13, 20 February 2006 (UTC) Rms125a@hotmail.com

Well no, a disputed section should be here, in discussion, not out there. You simply have no proof on Liam Aiken, and are just assuming based on his Irish mother. She can be a devout Buddhist, for all you know. Ryan O'Neal, I've already shown you - [3], Tatum says he was very non-religious. Wikipedia's Wikipedia:Verifiability page explicitly says "Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed." - removed - not put in a sectionf or all to see, and for the careless reader to assume is true. No objection against moving the section here, though - although I will take out Ryan O'Neal, because I have cited him not being a Catholic. JackO'Lantern 19:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

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If a Wikipedian is too stupid to comprehend the meaning of the word "disputed", that is not my fault. I have tried to be reasonable and compromise with you but you are not interested in that. I have no doubt that there are mnay Wikipages on many different subjects where disputes are included in the body of the page itself. It is YOUR FAULT that you have left me no other option but to revert your changes from now on. And just because Tatum says her father is not religious does not mean that he cannot be included on the list. Did you think everyone on the list is devout (Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Priscilla Presley, et al)??

70.19.23.181 19:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia's own policy, as I've linked to, says that anything that is disputed can be removed. I have no problem with it being on here while we look for sources. But disputed information isn't just left in the article (well, without a disputed tag, anyway). The family history that Tatum gives makes it unlikely that Ryan O'Neal was raised a Catholic. JackO'Lantern 19:53, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • "I think it's better for Wikipedians to see the Disputed section and possibly provide new info." — Wikipedians can see the disputed names right here on the talk page. Demiurge 21:15, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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Sorry, I was in the midst of writing this when the library computer time expired, so this is and should be chronologically before the following nonsense you wrote.

As far as your reverting new names that I added whenever you rv back to your version, I just assumed that was the case, eh. I don't have the time or the "Rainman" abilities to look over so many names to detect of one or two were missing, eh. So I always reverted back to my last version. But sorry, eh.

Secondly, and far more importantly, in regards to the following excerpt copied and pasted below:

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia's own policy, as I've linked to, says that anything that is disputed can be removed.

The key word is "can", not "must". You are deliberately imposing Draconian measures on this subject in which I have been far more interested and know far more than you do when you could be more flexible; again, "can", not "must" per your own words, eh.

I think you'll find when you cease using "must", instead of "can", things will go a lot better for both of us, eh.

By the way, you are already nitpicking that new list I created (you know), that you should have created, not me, based on your nationality, eh. But no matter I did it myself and quite meticulously as I usually do things. But the pickings are slim, I'll give ya that, eh. Robbie 22:01, 22 February 2006 (UTC) Note: Someone changed my username from Rms125a@hotmail.com to "Robbie". While it seems affectionate it is out of line, and I am going to contact Theresa Knott about this, Demiurge, in case it was you.

Jezz guy, aren't you awfully assumptive about a lot of things! "that you should have created, not me, based on your nationality"! "nonesense you wrote"! "know far more than you do"! I am not offended by any of this, just unmeasurably amused by your attitude. Any for the record, assuming someone is a Catholic because they have an Irish parent or an Irish last name does not exactly comprise "know far more than" I do. In any case, Wikipedia policy allows me to remove any information that I dispute and that you have not cited, so I will do so. Discussion is the place for disputed names, and as such feel free to add names to this Disputed section, where they will stay until (or if) they are sourced. JackO'Lantern 22:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
After a while, Robert gets around to calling everybody who doesn't accept his POV, "Catholic". He's done it to me already. Now it's your turn - Ali-oops✍ 22:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. And I'm enjoying every second of it. Maybe I'll convert to Catholicism, just so Robert can be right about something. JackO'Lantern 22:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, Rms, you typed in the "Robbie" yourself, as proven here. But feel free to contact Theresa if you want. Demiurge 22:38, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed, pending further proof

JackO'Lantern 19:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

In the matter of TV Guide saying Osment is Catholic The TV guide Trivia is submitted by fans - and there is even a "Submit trivia" button at the bottom. Adherents, which is not submitted by fans, explicitly says Arden is a Catholic, citing her book (obviously, the convent reference is just an example. If she was something other than Catholic, I'm sure she would have noted so in her book and Adherents would've as well) JackO'Lantern 00:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, no, re Eve Arden -- I don't agree, I don;t think she was particularly religious and she certainly couldn't foresee people caring what religion she was baptized in--she wasn't joining the Ladies Auxiliary of the Ancient Order of Hibernians, after all (that's for you Demiurge).

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Demiurge, I followed your lead and do not see anything. I didn't knowingly change my signature; I don't even know how.

Jack-You are the one who accepted almost all my additions just BECAUSE they had Irish or Italian last names--to wit, Robert DeNiro, Paul Kelly, Jodi Lyn O'Keefe, Matt Mulhern (page to be created), Annabella Sciorra, Alyssa Milano (or maybe I accepted it, but it was based purely on her surname b/c if you google Alyssa Milano and Catholic together, you get squat), Tia Carrere, Herve Villechaize, Dan Dailey, Lou Ferrigno, Cristina Ferrare, etc.

I know that you cannot always tell a person's religion by their surname. Sometimes their first names are more indicative, believe it or not, especially in parts of the British Isles, like Northern Ireland, eh!!

The following are NOT (and have never been) Roman Catholics:

  • Jeane Duane Jordan Kirkpatrick, Democrat turned Republican diplomat, speaker
  • James Kilpatrick, right-wing political pundit
  • Bryony Lavery, playwright
  • Niall Stanage, Northern Ireland-born, Dublin-based writer, author
  • Robert Kilroy-Silk, British TV personality
  • Nick Faldo, British sportsman, businessman
  • Paul O'Neill, US baseball player from Missouri
  • Molly O'Neill, baseball playing Paul O'Neill's sister - (former?) New York Times Cooking Editor
  • Paul O'Neill, former US Treasury Secretary
  • late U.S. Atheists leader, Madalyn Murray O'Hair (not her real names, it turns out)
  • Brittany Murphy, alleged actress from US - Baptist
  • Peri Gilpin (nee O'Brien) - Texan father, Jim O'Brien, was a preacher who became a musician
  • Graham Brady, current British M.P.
  • Michael Fallon, current British M.P.
  • Mrs. Alice Mahon, (current?) British M.P. (husband IS Catholic)
  • Sir Sean Connery, British actor
  • Stanley Mallon, current Unionist politician
  • J. Shannon, current Unionist politician
  • Danny Kennedy, Unionist politician
  • Josiah Cunningham, deceased Unionist politician
  • Lenny Murphy, late loyalist terrorist from Belfast
  • Frankie Gallagher, former loyalist terrorist

Is that enough, eh??

That is why I say I am meticulous. As far as caring more and knowing more, that is simply a fact. Don't you think anyone who devotes so much time to Lists of American and Canadian entertainers is a trifle obsessed, eh??

Cheers/Slainte!! Robbie 23:46, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Do you mean to tell us that you have been describing people as Roman Catholic simply on the basis that their names (first or last) "sound Catholic"?! A person's first name or surname is not hard evidence of any particular religious affiliation. Also, you are in violation of WP:3RR. Continue to revert and you are liable to be blocked. Demiurge 00:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
    • "Jack-You are the one who accepted almost all my additions just BECAUSE they had Irish or Italian last names" I am not here to accept or not accept anything. I don't know, or claim to know, everything about every actor you submit. I removed the ones who I did know a thing or two about, and who I explicitly either knew to A. not be Catholic or B. not stated anywhere that they are Catholic. Obviously, there could be other errors on this page, and I should probably get around to sourcing every person listed here (or, since you seem to like working on this page, you should as well), just to make it more reliable. However, I'm not sure how what you wrote just now works as a condemnation of me, since you seem to be admitting that you've listed a few people purely based on their surname (Milano). Anyway, I am probably going to source everyone on this list, maybe tonight, so then you can't add anyone else without an explicit source, which should stop this adding of unconfirmed people. JackO'Lantern 00:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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  • Do you mean to tell us that you have been describing people as Roman Catholic simply on the basis that their names (first or last) "sound Catholic"?! A person's first name or surname is not hard evidence of any particular religious affiliation. Also, you are in violation of WP:3RR. Continue to revert and you are liable to be blocked. Demiurge 00:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

No Demiurge, I am sure of my facts, I am quite meticulous. I was accusing Jack O'Lantern of being capricious and arbitrary in his disputes, while he never questioned anyone with an Irish, Italian or Spanish surname. That is what I said. I stand by ALL my entries.

Besides why am I subject to 3RR, Jack O'Lantern is not an administrator or a sysops, why is his opinion allowed to carry the day, and why isn't he penalized for 3RR??

I guess that mention of the Ancient Order of Hibernians (AOH) got under your skin!! 66.167.245.240 02:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

    • How can you possibly claim to be "quite meticulous" when you've just admitted to adding people (Alyssa Milano or others) purely based on their last name? (and the same goes for Aiken, Ryan O'Neal, etc. people who you've admitted to having never seen being explicitly identified as Catholics). Being meticulous means you know for a fact that every person you're adding is a Catholic, not that you don't miss a single Irish or Italian last-named person in your additions. I don't believe I violated 3RR, since technically I was taking out something that was an explicit violation of Wikipedia policy, i.e. challenged material that remained unsourced. But I could be wrong. My suggestion to you, in any case, is that if you really are the expert you claim to be, you help me (or help yourself if you prefer to disassociate yourself from me) to source every person listed here, and make this and other pages more reliable. JackO'Lantern 03:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Jack, the 3RR applies to you (and me) too in this case. The only situation where it doesn't apply is in case of clear vandalism. Rms has been blocked for vandalism on several previous occasions, but his adding of uncited information in this case is not clear vandalism. Demiurge 10:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

That is untrue, I believe Milano, O'Neal, Aiken are Catholics -- you do not. That is the point of our dissension. If I were not sure, I would not have added the names, I can know from a variety of sources, but YOU discount my having read something (if it's not on the Internet) as an inferior standard, and refuse to accept it. I told you about the Osments and you dismissed the fact that I had read it someplace. Otherwise why would I even suspect since there's nothing about their names to otherwise indicate their religion, and Pitchka backed me up. 66.167.245.240 03:35, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

What on earth do you mean by "believe"? Wikipedia isn't run on belief, it's run on fact. If you can confirm these people are Catholic, wonderful. If not, not. There isn't a "maybe" or "almost certainly" or even a "99%", there's either 100% or there's nothing. You either have an explicit source that someone is Catholic, or you don't. No assumptions, even if they're good assumptions. "Somewhere" is also not a 100%. If you listed the exact source - i.e. if it wasn't online, it must have been a magazine - so if you listed the exact magazine and the issue #, etc. it would be a good source. JackO'Lantern 03:48, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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Well, believe is appropriate for O'Neal (who I did read somewhere was an Irish Catholic, in a story about a TV series (Peyton Place) he made with Mia Farrow, and the leads were described as "all Irish Catholics". However, in deference to your insistence that he was not, I agreed to put him on the disputed list. As for Milano, you know what, I don't think I was the one who added her name. I didn't add all of them, you know, but I left those I didn't add, unless I knew for sure that he/she was not a R.C., because obviously whoever added them believed those additions were accurate. And the difference between knowing and believing is a canard. You think you know something until you discover you're wrong, then you realize it was not knowledge, but belief.

I am not playing semantics either, although you may think that. Anyway, Ciao, for now. Robbie 06:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

  • This is an encyclopedia, Rms. It is for provable facts, not suppositions and maybes and probablies and stories you read somewhere. Read WP:V; if you cannot show these people are Roman Catholic, then they do not go on the list. This is not negotiable. Demiurge 09:51, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

So if I read in a book or magazine that someone was of such and such a religion, and there are no countervailing claims, this is an "unfounded belief" unless I recall the magazine's name, issue, date of publication, etc. Or if the publication (TV Guide) that Pitshka (whom Jack O'Lantern accused of being a sockpuppet of mine) re the Osment family is looked down on. What's more disputes go both ways I have serious doubts if Eve Arden was really a baptized R.C., regardless of the link Jack O'Lantern provided, and I have offered evidence to the contrary, that merely living in a Catholic community (like actress Patricia Neal and writer Kathleen Norris did) or going to a Catholic school is not in and of itself sufficient proof. I provided that if you ever read the comments I made next to Arden's name in the Disputed section.

Also you do not address the Disputed Section that I created in the cases where there were currently unresolvable disputes. The only question is where it should go. I have no problems keeping it on the Discussion Page, but I also want it on the page itself at the bottom so that it can reach a much wider audience, members of whom may be able to resolve the questions regarding those individual actors. But that is not good enough for Jack O'Lantern, but there is nothing in Wikipedia instructions that prohibits this.

It is his discretion versus mine, and his should not carry any more weight since I am far more well informed than he is, and I am the one who created the list almost from scratch, but I didn't actually create the list itself, nor would I have thought of doing so. Since it existed, very much underused and skeleton like, I did want to update it. I like making lists and categories, that's how I am. I did create the Canadian version, but that would never have come into being had the American List not already existed. 24.136.99.194 21:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

The TV Guide link to the Osments has no relation to the TV Guide publication (which would be a reliable source, btw). That TV Guide website is an interactive site, where fans can submit trivia bits - i.e. akin to Wikipedia or IMRB. Adherents.com explicitly states that Arden is a Catholic, and cites her autobiography. Aside from copy-and-pasting our lists of Catholics and Jews, Adherents is a serious site and is a reliable source, especially if they site a particular book/website/etc. If you have actual evidence about Arden contradicting them, please present it. 22:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • "this is an "unfounded belief" unless I recall the magazine's name, issue, date of publication, etc". Correct. WP:CITE. Demiurge 10:48, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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Canadian Catholic actors I noticed you seem to frequently suggest that there are not many Canadian Catholic actors. While that may be true, something like 42% of all Canadians are Catholics (the most practiced religion, and a bigger percentage than in the US). JackO'Lantern 06:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rms125a%40hotmail.com"

True--so why haven't you contributed any names yourself, eh??

I don't know. I didn't know I was required to. I was going to add Neve Campbell and her brother (I fixed up their entry a little bit of a while ago and I knew they were Catholic), but you beat me to it. JackO'Lantern 06:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

You aren't required to, but as a Canadian you should know more about this topic than I do.

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I have removed Eve Arden's name. I am not convinced she was an actually baptized Roman Catholic. Notwithstanding her story that she was partially raised by nuns while living in a convent. Convents do help take care of non-Catholics, like Patricia Neal (after she suffered a nervous breakdown) and writer Kathleen Norris, who was writing about the nuns. Neither Neal or Norris were ever Catholic, nor did they become Catholic, despite their positive, long-term, extensive experiences. and as far as girls attending Catholic schools, they are not always Catholics as you know since I gave you an extensive list of well-known females who all attended Catholic convent or Catholic private schools.

I never assume anyone is Catholic unless either I know that they have been baptized RC or they actually say "I am a Catholic" or "I'm a Roman Catholic". I doesnt' matter whether they keep the faith afterwards, as many of the names on our list are hardly observant or some have actually joined other faith groups.

If you cannot accept that the Osments attended a Catholic Mass on the day of the Oscar telecast when Haley Joel Osment was nominated for a Best Supporting Oscar (he lost to Sir Michael Caine), when I actually read it, then you can understand that I can't accept Arden w/o further confirmation (no pun intended). Robbie 03:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Difference is, we have an explicit, reliable, sourced website saying that Arden is a Catholic. We don't have a relibale source for Osment, just fan submitted trivia. If you have an explicit, reliable source that conflicts with Adherents, then it would be grounds for removal of her name. If not, not. JackO'Lantern 04:24, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't believe so, Adherents, while I am not challenging their respectability or their sincerity or even overall accuracy seems to have dropped the ball on this one. They assumed that Arden WAS (not "is", sadly) a Roman Catholic (which they call Catholic), based on the fact that: "In her autobiography she recounts how she was partially raised by nuns while living in a convent." This does not PROVE Arden was Catholic, based on the above (Neal, Norris, actress Kay Francis, et al), since non-Catholic girls, again, often attend(ed) Catholic private or convent schools for a variety of reasons. I will quote from you yourself: Do you have some sort of a reference? The same for Sean Faris, he did go to a Catholic school but some complete non-Catholics do go to Catholic schools so we do need more than just that. JackO'Lantern 06:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Rms125a@hotmail.com 18:49, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you understand. There's no evidence that Adherents assumed that Arden was Catholic just because of her Catholic school education. They've read her autobiography, and they explicitly state that she was, indeed, a Catholic. The Catholic school info is not evidence, but an example. JackO'Lantern 19:33, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

This appears not to be the case. The only evidence they chose to cite was her Catholic schooling and her affectionate appreciation to the nuns who were at that convent. That does not make her a Roman Catholic. Why did they not include any information re her baptism, her parents and their backgrounds, her religious observance, her wedding nuptials (Catholic?), her children (baptized/raised Catholic?) and sadly, her funeral (Catholic Mass?)!! These deletions are why I cannot accept Arden and I am removing her yet again.

To quote you, Jack: I'm sorry, but Wikipedia's own policy, as I've linked to, says that anything that is disputed can be removed.

I am also removing Julia Stiles, I did not add her and whoever did add her (or possibly a third party) explicitly added: Raised by lapsed Catholic parents, and as such, despite her middle name (O'Hara) there is no evidence she was baptized or raised R.C.

Obviously I have re-added the Osments because as far as I know non-Catholic families do not go to Mass each Sunday (especially on the afternoon of an Oscar telecast) for years and years.

By the way I never was going to suggest you are R.C. despite your snide remarks above on this page. Ali-oops comes from southwestern Ireland, and there are hardly anything but Catholics, so I made a natural assumption, especially considering his defense of "Fenian Swine". I was wrong, I admit it.

Rms125a@hotmail.com 22:18, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Haley Joel Osment redux

I found a citation for Osment's Roman Catholicism

(Osment, who was raised Catholic, will portray a Jewish boy who is sheltered by Catholic peasant farmers. Related Articles. Send This Page to a Friend ...

(see filmforce.ign.com/articles/034/034161p1.html - 46k - Cached - Similar pages)

See your talkpage for reason your source is not acceptable. Please don't add the Osments again unless you find a reputable source that actually says they are Catholic. Grace Note 01:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

In common with all lists of people by religion or ethnicity, the judgement of who to include, if you must have these lists, should not be internal. In other words, you should not be putting your heads together and saying "this is what I think makes you Catholic". Wikipedia does not work like that. It uses material from sources, not original material. Please read this and this and this so that you're absolutely clear on the policies that concern this.

You must instead provide sources that say "X is a Catholic". You cannot say, "here is a source that says X was raised Catholic and my view is that makes him Catholic". This is original research. I am going to be checking through the names on this list. I will remove names that are not sourced to reputable sources that say "X is Catholic". If you put them back into your list, I will remove them again. I am very unlikely to be swayed by threats or bullying. My advice to those editors who are particularly keen on labelling people by religion is to work at finding reputable sources for everyone on this list. Just so we're clear, The New York Times is a reputable source. It doesn't say anyone is Catholic unless it can prove it. It has a staff that checks its facts. Some guy's website is not reputable. He just writes whatever he feels like and checks nothing. Some websites have broad repute, so that they are acceptable, but with due care: the comments board of an IMDB entry is not a good place to source edits. You know someone who knows someone who once heard someone say someone is Catholic is not reputable. You cannot use yourself as a source.

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I think Jack O'Lantern is angry because I finally won the Eve Arden dispute, which I knew I would because I was correct, and he was operating out of reaction.

Grace Note--Sir or Madam: I entirely agree that one is not Catholic because one's dad (or mom)is, and I admit I may have made that assumption (back when I was young) re Liam Aiken, which is why I finally realized he had to be deleted. Otherwise I pride myself on my meticulousness, and my memory, and my exhaustive research on the Internet. Also at the Public Library for the Performing Arts at Lincoln Center in NYC (3rd floor clippings files), which has a lot of info. you won't find anywhere else. I don't just sit around on my bed deciding who I think is Catholic (or anything else) and just assume it and post it on the Net.

I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of me. Is it b/c Jack O'Lantern told you I am a "vandal"? I know he has done this with other Wikipedians and I am going to lodge a complaint with the Mediators and at WikiMedia.

Rms125a@hotmail.com 22:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I will of course put names that I remove on this talkpage, so that you can discuss them. But it must be clearly understood that "we've decided that you're Catholic if your dad was" is entirely unacceptable, for the reasons I've given. Grace Note 02:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

This is precisely not a good source. It's a wiki! I can sign up and edit that to say he's a Buddhist. Please refer to this policy. Grace Note 02:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
  • "Grace Note" is being masterful. Finally, someone can take over battling RMS on this page. I was getting tired of it. Just to be perfectly clear - never mind the IMDB boards, the IMDB itself is not a good source in the least. It's the ultimate villainous form of a Wiki - one that takes incorrect info in, but then makes it awfully hard for you to fix it. JackO'Lantern 03:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grace Note, a little note for you

Dear Sir or Madam :

I think I've been absolutely clear. I will remove names from this list that are not sourced to reputable sources, which say "X is a Catholic". Not "X was raised Catholic", not "X once went to Mass", not "I went to church with X". Grace Note 23:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

First of all you do not come out of the woodwork more than 5 months after this list was created, to which creation you contributed NOTHING, and dictate to others.

"Raised Catholic" is fine, not I agree "went to Catholic school" or even "went to Mass once", those are not dispositive. However baptized or raised Catholic is fine. That has been the guiding criteria. It doesn't matter if they left the church, if they became Scientologists, born-agains, fundamentalists, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Anglicans, etc. Those are not required for inclusion in this list; baptism is, and when someone is said by a reasonable source to have been "raised Catholic" that includes: baptism, First Communion, and confirmation. That's all that is required to be on this list.

So where were you during the Eve Arden debate??

Rms125a@hotmail.com 23:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I can comment on any page I like whenever I like whether it's the day after it was created or five years down the track. If you're not clear that this is how it works here, get clear on that. "Raised Catholic" is not fine. You simply are not listening. We are not deciding who's Catholic. That would be No original research. We are reporting what others say. That's what encyclopaedias do. And what is required to be in a Wikipedia page is that what you state is verifiable. If you say someone is a Catholic, they must be stated to be Catholic in a reputable source. Not "raised Catholic". Not "went to Catholic school". Not "may once have been to Mass". Not any personal criterion that you believe makes someone "Catholic". No. "IS CATHOLIC". "Catholic actor..." is fine, of course. As for Eve Arden, I've told you, I will be evaluating every name on this list. If you know of some that do not meet the criteria I stated, which are aligned with Wikipedia's policies, you can help me by removing them yourself. Just take care not to break the 3RR again. Grace Note 00:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Names removed

Thanks to Crumbsucker for sourcing John Malkovich as not Catholic. I've also removed Bill Maher. Could anyone who believes he is a Catholic please provide a source? Grace Note 01:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

There are a couple more people on the list that have left the Church or converted to another religion. Should they be removed? Crumbsucker 07:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
It's my view that the only people who should be on this list are people who reputable sources state are Catholics. If you do remove anyone, please do put their names here on the talkpage with reasons for removing them. Grace Note 07:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Well in that case, one no-brainer is George Carlin. He declares himself an atheist any chance he gets. I'll remove him. Crumbsucker 07:41, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to remove Heather Graham. Links in her article have her leaving (and denouncing) the Church and now practicing transcendental meditation. That's a pretty clearcut case. Crumbsucker 01:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removals, page names

I have removed the names of some people. These were either people who the list specifically states are not Catholic or people who are not linked to a Wikipedia page. I've also moved the page to this title, which is much more accurate. Grace Note 03:06, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Osments

The Osments are being returned to the list. They have 2 sources, at least once of which was acceptable to the entire Wikipedia community, except you. I know of no rule in Wikipedia that states that one person can overrule the consensus.

I don't care who you are or if you think that some day you might become an administrator or if you can just call on administrators you've got up your arse to block those who irritate you.

You rv the Osments as "unsourced", but they were both sourced to everyone else's satisfaction and that is good enough for me (see below):

I am going to report your use of falsehoods to rv material you personally do not agree with.

And don't ever threaten me again.

24.136.99.194 23:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, even I have to say that TV Tome is not a good source, being a Wiki. I would accept IGN, but, they only say "raised Catholic" instead of "is Catholic". I like this idea where we have a paragraph by each person listed, it makes this into more of an article. JackO'Lantern 01:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] People who need to be sourced before being brought back into article

  • People I've removed that I couldn't find a source for, or where the best source I could find isn't good enough:
By the way, NNDB is not a good source. Neither is Adherents unless they specifically mention a book or some other source. JackO'Lantern 05:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A

  • Danny Aiello
  • Antony Alda
  • Elizabeth Allen (American actress; the British actress with the same name was indeed Catholic)
  • Rae Allen
  • Maria Conchita Alonso
  • Jim Ameche
  • Kevin Anderson (actor) [7] "It is also revealing that the actor who plays the lead priest, Kevin Anderson, is proud of his lapsed Catholic status and boasts of not going to church for 18 years; he also doesn’t believe in God."
  • Margaret Anglin - studied in a Catholic school
  • Richard Arlen
  • Dezi Arnaz, Jr.
  • Lucie Arnaz - both went to Catholic schools, that's all I know
  • Frankie Avalon

[edit] B

  • Daniel Baldwin - Catholic parents
  • William Baldwin - Catholic parents
  • Christine Baranski
  • Binnie Barnes - Catholic mother
  • Julia Barr - RMS' wiki says that she was "raised Catholic"
  • B. Constance Barry
  • Raymond J. Barry
  • Steven Bauer - dunno about Catholic, but he does have a Jewish grandmother
  • John Beal - RMS says he was a "devoutly Catholic actor" in his Wiki entry
  • Jennifer Beals - Catholic mother
  • Bonnie Bedelia - sister of Kit Culkin, see below - that's all I can find
  • Brian Bedford - I got a match at TV Tome - almost too scared to look
  • Ed Begley
  • Ed Begley, Jr. - discussed "Catholic guilty" on politicially incorrect and played a priest once...
  • Tom Bergeron
  • Valerie Bertinelli - just all kind of Wikis
  • Sally Blane
  • Scotty Bloch
  • Walter Bobbie - Catholic schools/universities
  • Mary Boland - just Wikis...I looked up her obituary...she received full RC burial rites...this was in the mid-1960s when only "good Catholics" received Church burials.
  • Eric Bruno Borgman
  • Ernest Borgnine - Catholic parents
  • Julie Bovasso
  • Peter Boyle - former Christian Brother, not sure about now
  • Lorraine Bracco
  • Walter Brennan...definitely Catholic..no doubt...buried at San Fernando Mission Cemetery...
  • George Brent
  • Danielle Brisebois
  • Mary Brodel
  • Charles Bronson - he was Catholic? I thought he was Eastern Orthodox?
  • Pierce Brosnan - always talks about Catholicism in past tense, but I'm ready to be convinced otherwise...he was married in a Catholic ceremony, which is unlikely were he not a practicing RC.
  • Mika Brzezinski
  • Chris Burke (actor)
  • Ronnie Burns - nothing excep the RMS-written Wiki and its copies
  • Ellen Burstyn - I don't believe she's Catholic anymore
  • LeVar Burton - went to a seminary, but so did Tom Cruise...
  • Steve Buscemi
  • Francis X. Bushman-Not a Catholic. He received a non-Catholic funeral...only evidence of Catholicism is "Francis Xavier" portion of name.
  • Martha Byrne
  • Edward Byrnes

[edit] C

  • Lorenzo Caccialanza
  • Nicolas Cage. Adherents [8] says he "was a Catholic". Here he says "Well, I am a Christian, but, you know, I'm open to looking at other religions and learning from other religions and trying to understand what their beliefs are and their facets are, and so I'm always open to energy and spirituality. You know, I was baptized Roman Catholic, but I'm also very much interested in other beliefs." [9]. I'll leave him on for now
  • Jeanne Cagney - sister of James, who is still on the page. But couldn't find anything for her.
  • Eddie Cahill - no source except for Wikipedia and TV Tom.
  • Thomas Calabro
  • K Callan - ""I was this little girl who was totally sheltered, who had gone to a Catholic school, and we go to the air force base, and I'm afraid to look at the guys!" [10]. That's all I could find
  • Joseph Campanella
  • Norma Candal - Wiki says she went to a Catholic university.
  • Bobby Cannavale - "I went to Catholic school. I was an altar boy; I joined the choir and a theatre group."[11] "his mother made sure that he wasn't going to get into trouble in the streets so she enrolled him into Catholic school, where he started performing in the church theater company." [12] That's all I could find
  • Diana Canova
  • Judy Canova
  • Eduardo Cansino (Sr.) - he was the father of Rita Hayworth, who was Catholic, but that's about it [13]
  • Macdonald Carey - buried in a Catholic cemetery...
  • Mariah Carey - "Her mother, Patricia, 67, a sometime singer, is of Irish Catholic descent." 2005/edition_06-05-2005/featured_0] That's all I can find
  • Lynn Carlin
  • Margaret Carlson - some shaky sources. Plus, she's a journalist. Is that an entertainer?
  • Art Carney - "Carney was born into an Irish-Catholic family in Mount Vernon, N.Y., on Nov. 4, 1918, and baptized Arthur William Matthew Carney. His father was a newspaperman and publicist." [14] Not sure if this is enough,
  • Adam Carolla - a few vague references to Catholic school
  • Tia Carrere - "Tia Carrere: I’m of Filipino, Spanish, and Chinese descent, and was raised on Hawaii. I went to Catholic school and wanted to be a nun in the first grade. I’ve come a long way, haven’t I? The nuns gave up on me a long time ago." [15] ""I went to Catholic school for thirteen years, so I am as indoctrinated with the dogma as anybody can be, but while I respect the Catholic Church, I have a hard time accepting their stance on birth control, because I think too many children are brought into this world. That gets me into the whole male-dominated church organization thing." [16] Hard to say if that last reference is acceptable.
  • Madeleine Carroll
  • Patt Carroll - "Miss Carroll has been directing since the age of 15, when she adapted scripts and staged them for The Catholic Actors Guild in Los Angeles. " [17]
  • David Caruso - Went to a Catholic school and is Irish/Italian...
  • Peggy Cass - once starred in the play "Once a Catholic..."
  • Mary Jo Catlett
  • John Cazale
  • Charo - attended Catholic schools & a Convent school
  • Dominic Chianese
  • Robin Christopher - [18] "Spotted by a photographer in Boston as a teenager, she left her strict, Catholic upbringing and immediately headed to Japan for a three-month modeling stint."
  • Imogene Coca
  • James Coco
  • Nicholas Colasanto
  • Claudette Colbert - Adherents says she was married in a Catholic mass... problem is, they're quoting Wikipedia
  • Anita Colby - nothing except Wikipedia
  • Laurie Coleman - nothing but Wikipedia
  • Chevi Colton - nothing except for Wikipedia's POV'd entry (thanks, Robert)
  • Chuck Connors - [19] buried in a Catholic cemetery, went to Catholic school, has cross on grave. But again, non-Catholic Christians could be buried in a Catholic cemetery
  • Mark Consuelos
  • Tim Conway
  • Jackie Coogan
  • Bob Costas - Wikipedia says his mother is "of Irish Catholic descent"
  • Dolores Costello
  • Helene Costello
  • Lou Costello - nothing except Wikipedia
  • Dave Coulier - most sites just say he went to a Catholic school. Wikipedia decided that he was born "to a staunchly Catholic family" (thanks again, Robert)
  • Joan Crawford - [20] "Born Catholic. Later she became a devoted convert to Christian Science." Pretty clearly doesn't belond on the list, but I could be wrong
  • Paddy Croft - well, he's Irish
  • Mary Frances Crosby
  • Marcia Cross - [21] "Cross, who was raised Catholic and does not share Bree's views." [22] "On the 'Oprah Show,' she said the inspiration for her 'Housewives' character comes from her mother because 'she wasn't a good housewife. Oh God, I hope she's not watching. She had that whole Catholic repressed guilt thing going on.' " - again, looks like "Raised Catholic" instead of "is"
  • Tom Cruise - [23] "RD: You were Catholic originally.

Cruise: Well, we went from Episcopalian, to atheist, to Catholic ...

RD: What does Scientology offer that those religions didn't? Cruise: First of all, there are Baptist Scientologists, other Christian Scientologists. Scientology is an applied religious philosophy. You learn tools that you can apply to your life. It gives me a greater understanding of myself, greater compassion, the ability to help others in a way that I've always wanted to. It's helped me raise my children, to understand what they're going through. I went from someone who was basically a functional illiterate to someone who flies airplanes." - I am pretty sure Cruise doesn't belong here. But anyone correct me if I'm off

  • Kieran Culkin - here is what I could gather on all the Culkins - [24] ""The first half of our family went to Catholic school because we were initially raised Catholic. I was the middle kid. When I was eight, my parents stopped taking us to church and pulled us out of our Catholic school."" - looks like they left the church
  • Kit Culkin
  • Macaulay Culkin - [25] "Once a practicing Catholic, Culkin has his own views about religion. Before Culkin's career took off, "my father was a sacristan in a Catholic church, which is kind of like a glorified janitor. He set up Mass – he'd take the wafers and the wine out and put it on the gold platter and all that stuff. And I remember watching all these people – this was a very serious religious thing to them, you know the body of Christ, the blood of Christ. I was like, no, no, it's just some wine and crackers my dad put out in the back. It's kind of the man behind the curtain. It gave me a tainted view of at least the ceremonies that go along with religion.

[26] "And because he worked at the church and we were a bit of a hardship case back then, we all went to Catholic school," says Culkin, whose six siblings include actors Rory ("Signs") and Kieran ("Igby Goes Down"). " "His defense of the film, he adds, hearkens back to his own quasi-religious upbringing. He went to Catholic school for the first five years of his school life before his movie schedule intervened. "We tried to be as respectful as we could," he promises. "It could have been very campy. That was one of the things I was worried about." " and this about seals it [27] "KING: Are you Catholic or Christian? CULKIN: I'm really neither. I was a practicing Catholic for a long time. I did get baptized, had my first holy communion, the whole kind of thing but I kind of -- I'm more spiritual than anything else. I guess I believe in God but God's also kind of a label."

  • Quinn Culkin
  • Rory Culkin
  • Jane Curtin - nothing except our very own Wiki, many times over
  • Valerie Curtin
  • Joan Cusack - just that she was born to an Irish-Catholic family, Irish Catholic parents, etc. I think there was enough evidence on her brother John to include him

JackO'Lantern 03:39, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] D

  • Beverly D'Angelo
  • Fifi D'Orsay
  • Dan Dailey..Irish-Catholic...received a full requiem mass...dedfiniltey Catholic.
  • Irene Dailey - Wiki says she became a Unitarian
  • Carson Daly - trained as a priest, not sure about his status now
  • Lili Damita
  • Tony Danza
  • Eileen Davidson
  • Marion Davies...born a Catholic, died a Catholic...buried with Catholic rites.
  • Joan Davis...born a Catholic, died a Catholic...also buried with Catholic rites.
  • Doris Day - apparently born a Catholic, now a Christian Scientist
  • Justin Deas
  • Kim Delaney - "raised Catholic"
  • Majandra Delfino
  • Marieh Delfino
  • David DeLuise
  • Dom DeLuise
  • Michael DeLuise
  • Peter DeLuise
  • Brian Dennehy - "Irish Catholic upbringing"
  • William Devane
  • Angie Dickinson
  • Kevin Dillon (actor)
  • Matt Dillon [28] Catholic parents, "I'm not a Buddhist, or a card-carrying member of any religion."
  • Rocco DiSpirito
  • Kevin Dobson
  • Marika Dominczyk
  • Donal Donnelly
  • Mike Douglas (not Michael Douglas)
  • Bairbre Dowling
  • Eddie Dowling...100% Catholic
  • Vincent Dowling
  • Morton Downey, Jr. Downey JR. was buried with Catholic rites.
  • Morton Downey, Sr. Devout Caholic all of his life!!!!!
  • David Doyle...100% Catholic...I can prove it!!!!
  • Jerry Doyle (actor)
  • Alfred Drake
  • Julia Duffy - just all kind of wikis
  • Nora Dunn
  • Griffin Dunne
  • Jimmy Durante...RM held at Good Shepherd Church...born, raised, died...etc...
  • Charles Durning

[edit] E

  • Vince Edwards
  • Gloria Estefan - just our Wikis
  • Emilio Estevez - his father, Martin Sheen, is a devout Catholic. Nothing so much on Emilion
  • Greg Evigan

JackO'Lantern 03:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] F

  • Shelley Fabares
  • Nanette Fabray
  • Jeff Fahey
  • Jimmy Fallon - Catholic school
  • Siobhan Fallon - Catholic university
  • James Farentino
  • Vera Farmiga [29] "Ms. Farmiga was raised in a strict Ukrainian Catholic home by her parents" that's all I got
  • Jamie Farr - Wiki says his father was Catholic
  • Mike Farrell - [30] "I was raised a Catholic, and though I no longer practice Catholicism, I think the fundamental teachings of Jesus made a deep impression and have stayed with me." - sounds like a "no" to me
  • Prudence Farrow - sister of Mia, who is staying on the list
  • Farrah Fawcett
  • Colm Feore
  • Cristina Ferrare [31] seems to say she was raised Catholic but is a born-again Christian now, but I'm not sure
  • America Ferrera
  • José Ferrer
  • Mel Ferrer
  • Miguel Ferrer - his entry here said he became an evangelical Christian
  • Lou Ferrigno
  • Geraldine Fitzgerald - father Catholic, mother converted. Not sure about Geraldine
  • Pauline Flanagan
  • Sean Patrick Flanery
  • Maureen Flannigan
  • Anthony Franciosa
  • Connie Francis
  • William Frawley - sang in Catholic church as a child

JackO'Lantern 04:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] G

  • Helen Gahagan - just Robert's mention that she was Catholic in her wiki and mirrors
  • Helen Gallagher
  • Megan Gallagher
  • Vincent Gallo - Catholic school
  • James Gandolfini
  • Vincent Gardenia
  • Jennie Garth - apparently she converted to Catholicism, but I couldn't find a good source
  • Kathy Garver
  • Anita Garvin
  • Karl Geary
  • Gil Gerard
  • Paul Gleason - Catholic schools
  • Arthur Godfrey - Catholic school
  • Frank Gorshin - Roman Catholic parents to according to RMS' wiki
  • Lauren Graham - a lot of very shakey sources say she's Irish Catholic
  • Linda Gray - Catholic school upbringing
  • Kathy Griffin [32] "I was the youngest of five kids in an Irish Catholic family, and every night we had political arguments at the dinner table. I had to bite and scratch to get heard, because my family, especially my dad—he is super-sarcastic—would slice you in half if you couldn’t keep up. My parents sent me to Catholic school, which only made me the vehement militant atheist that I am today. (Don’t get me started about those priests.) The nuns called me “boy crazy” — don’t you love that?"
  • Merv Griffin
  • Camille Guaty
  • Bryant Gumbel - Catholic schools
  • Greg Gumbel

[edit] H

  • Joan Hackett - wikis
  • Huntz Hall...Episcopalian...this is a slam-dunk non-Catholic.
  • Julie Halston
  • Tom Hanks [33] "In 1998 he told George magazine: "The major religion I was exposed to in the first 10 years of my life was Catholicism. My stepmother became a Mormon. My aunt, whom I lived with for a long time, was a Nazarene, which is kind of ultra-super Methodist, and in high school all my friends were Jews." I don't think this is good enough - anyone think otherwise?
  • Desmond Harrington - Catholic schools
  • Pat Harrington, Jr.
  • Mel Harris
  • David Hartman
  • Phil Hartman
  • Susan Hayward...became RC in 1966..remained devout, buried with RC rites...100% Catholic.
  • John Heard
  • Joey Heatherton
  • Katherine Helmond - lots and lots of Wikis
  • Florence Henderson - Catholic parents
  • Marilu Henner
  • Edward Herrmann
  • William Hickey
  • Hildegarde
  • Patricia Hitchcock
  • Bonnie Hunt - born to Catholic family, Catholic schools

[edit] I

  • Michael Imperioli
  • Carol Iovanna - taught at a Catholic school once...

JackO'Lantern 05:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] J

  • Kevin James [http://people.aol.com/people/articles/0,19736,1113289,00.html married at a Cathlic church, but it could mean his wife is Catholic
  • Rick James - sources say "raised Catholic", "Catholic school", etc.
  • Gregory Jbara
  • Richard Jeni - he had a special "Richard Jeni: Good Catholic Boy" - I don't know if that's good enough. He IS a comedian
  • Mike Jerrick
  • Ann Jillian - Wiki just says "Roman Catholic parents" (kudos to Robert)
  • Henry Jones (actor)

JackO'Lantern 05:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] K

  • Jane Kaczmarek
  • Staci Keanan - unreliable site says she's Catholic
  • Charles Keating - the RMS-edited Wiki entry says he's of "Irish-Catholic extration"
  • Michael Keaton - here's what I got (that didn't come from Wiki) [34] "I'm a total defender of people's faith. I mean if you're Baptist, or you're Buddhist, or you're a Jew or a Catholic, I'm envious actually of deep faith. And I'm a total defender of organized Religion in that regard. Churches should have respect paid. I was in a nightclub one time in New York years ago, that was known for it's decadence, and it was in a former church. And it totally pissed me off. I just thought it was disrespectful. And I'm not a churchgoing guy, I just didn't like the fact that someone thought it was hip to take a place that was designed for faith and worship, and then say "Hey let's go do a bunch of blow in the bathroom", and act like we're cool, and you know practice trisexuality." - doesn't sound like he's Catholic
  • Ruby Keeler - [35] "She'd been a tap dancer in her teens; she went to a special high school, came from a big Irish Catholic family. I don't think she

liked Hollywood; she thought there were too many Jews there." Don't know if "came from Irish Catholic family" is good or not

  • Monica Keena - went to a Catholic school...
  • Catherine Keener - went to Catholic schools...
  • Bob Keeshan
  • Nancy Kelly
  • Patsy Kelly...was buried with Catholic rites...100% RC.
  • Paul Kelly (actor)
  • Douglas Harriman Kennedy
  • Carolyn Kepcher
  • Joanna Kerns
  • Brian Kilmeade
  • Kevin Kline [36] Catholic mother, Catholic school "But as far as going to church nowadays, I feel that having gone to a Catholic school and attending Mass every day for six years has me covered for a lot of Sundays." Kevin smiles. "Actually, I still go to Midnight Mass occasionally and Easter services." - I left him out for now, but it's not clear
  • Melania Knauss
  • Ted Knight...born Polish-Catholic...funeral presided over by priest...memorial mass held for him in home town of Terryville, CT.
  • Jane Krakowski
  • John Krasinski

JackO'Lantern 05:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] L

  • Veronica Lake
  • Fernando Lamas
  • Ali Landry
  • Julius LaRosa
  • John Larroquette...definitely ex-Catholic atheist type.
  • Christopher Lawford
  • Dixie Lee...married Bing...converted to RC...died a Catholic buried as such.
  • John Leguizamo
  • Hal LeSueur
  • June Lockhart - My gosh, Robert, you really kill me here. This straight from her Wiki entry, a la RMS: "June Lockhart has never remarried, presumably in accordance with her presumably Catholic religious beliefs." Why don't you presume she's a space alien while you're at it? Jezz Robert, you need to be controlled.
  • George Lopez
  • Anita Louise
  • Susan Lucci - Catholic daughter
  • Laurence Luckinbill - Catholic university
  • Allen Ludden - RMS only
  • Béla Lugosi...buried at Holy Cross Cemetery...funeral presided over by a priest although married many times...baptized and raised as RC...does he qualify?
  • Patti LuPone
  • Robert LuPone

[edit] M

  • John Mahoney - Catholic schools
  • Dorothy Malone
  • Joe Mantegna
  • William Mapother
  • Julianna Margulies - Jewish parents, mother became Catholic, "raised Catholic". No info on current status in any of the interviews. See [37]
  • Ed Marinaro
  • Barney Martin
  • Marsha Mason - "Catholic childhood"
  • Jerry Mathers
  • Dakin Matthews
  • Andrew McCarthy
  • Patty McCormack
  • Malachy McCourt
  • Dylan McDermott - Catholic parents, Catholic school. Line ends there...
  • John McLaughlin - Catholic parents/grandparents
  • Ed McMahon
  • Stephen McNally
  • Steve McQueen - born Catholic, became Born-Again Christian
  • John Megna
  • Adolphe Menjou
  • Christa Miller - ex-Catholic schoolgirl
  • Jason Miller (actor)
  • Liza Minnelli
  • Helena Modjeska
  • Al Molinaro
  • Mary Tyler Moore
  • Rita Moreno
  • Patrick Muldoon
  • Dermot Mulroney - Catholic school?
  • Robert Mulligan
  • Frankie Muniz
  • Campion Murphy
  • Donna Murphy
  • Rosemary Murphy

[edit] N

  • Kathy Najimy
  • Jack Nicholson [38] "Jack Nicholson was active in the Catholic Church while growing up. He was baptized and confirmed in the Catholic Church. He sang in the church choir. He lapsed into inactivity while in high school. As an adult, Jack Nicholson was not an active member of any traditional religious denomination or congregation. Nicholson stated he was not an atheist. But nor was he a churchgoer. Nicholson has claimed that he is not at all religious and that the only times he prays is during jogging. " - is there anything where he identifes himself as a Catholic?
  • Kevin Nealon
  • Pola Negri...she was 1000% CAtholic...devout churchgoer...received the full rites of Church at her burieal in a Catholic cemetery...no doubts here.
  • Lois Nettleton
  • Frank Nicotero
  • Alessandro Nivola
  • Tom Noonan - [39] "When I was nine things were pretty tough. I was a Catholic school kid wrestling with guilt and confusion."
  • Kim Novak - nothing but Wikipedia

JackO'Lantern 05:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] O

  • Edmond O'Brien - buried in Catholic cemetery...
  • Soledad O'Brien
  • Helen O'Connell...this one is a 100% sure as far as being an RC.
  • Jerry O'Connell - Irish Catholic father, apparently
  • Glynnis O'Connor
  • Hugh O'Connor
  • Una O'Connor - nothing except RMS-written Wikipedia POV...NY Times has article where her Catholic funeral mentioned...buried in Catholic Cemetery.
  • George O'Hanlon
  • Catherine O'Hara - definitely Catholic - but a US citizen?
  • Dennis O'Keefe
  • Jodi Lyn O'Keefe - went to a Catholic school
  • Michael O'Keefe [40] - Zen Buddhist
  • Kerry O'Malley
  • Ed O'Neill
  • Jerry Orbach - Catholic mother, "raised Catholic" - don't see anything like "was Catholic"
  • Emily Osment
  • Haley Joel Osment - "raised Catholic" for Osment, nothing for Emily
  • Milo O'Shea
  • Maureen O'Sullivan - Catholic school...she was a lifelong devout Catholic.

JackO'Lantern 05:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] P

  • Anita Page
  • Ron Palillo
  • Louella Parsons
  • Rosie Perez [41] "I was the girl who went to Catholic school and Bible class four times a week. I say that in every interview, and no one has ever

printed that." past tense again

  • Joe Pesci
  • Lenka Peterson
  • Paula Prentiss
  • Priscilla Presley - "Catholic school"
  • Vincent Price
  • Victoria Principal
  • Freddie Prinze
  • Freddie Prinze, Jr.

JackO'Lantern 06:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Q

  • Maeve Quinlan
  • Colin Quinn
  • Selena Quintanilla

JackO'Lantern 06:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] R

  • Joyce Randolph
  • John Ratzenberger
  • Paula Raymond
  • Mary-Robin Redd
  • Tara Reid - it seems she went to some Catholic schools once
  • Alma Reville
  • Richard Riehle - just wiki
  • Lisa Rinna
  • Kelly Ripa
  • Chita Rivera
  • Tim Robbins - [42] "Robbins was raised a Catholic, but in his political theology, he is a Calvinist who believes in a strict form of ideological predestination." - looks like a "no", but I'm ready to be convinced
  • Eamonn Roche
  • Eugene Roche
  • Joe Rogan
  • Al Roker
  • Gilbert Roland
  • Ruth Roman
  • Ray Romano - raised Catholic
  • Cesar Romero
  • Rick Rossovich
  • Mercedes Ruehl - Catholic university
  • Mark Russell
  • Meg Ryan

[edit] S

  • Antonio Sabato, Jr. - "Catholic born"
  • Laura San Giacomo
  • Olga San Juan
  • Isabel Sanford
  • Mia Sara
  • Susan Sarandon - raised Catholic - not sure about now - am open to info
  • Jack Scalia
  • Marion Scherer
  • Annabella Sciorra
  • Peter Scolari
  • Janie Sell
  • Charlie Sheen - [43] looks like a no-no - "When did you stop going to church? I never really went to church. I was baptized a Catholic, but I never really accepted the beliefs, the promises, of Christianity. But you dabble in Buddhism? Yeah, I think it's the one religion that deals more with life than the afterlife and the guilt and fear that other religions are based on. I think religion was just something created to keep the peasents from rioting. I don't know if I believe in heaven and hell. I think heaven and hell can exist right here on earth. I don't know where you go. I mean death must be the heaviest trip because they save it for last."
  • Mark Shields
  • Kin Shriner
  • Wil Shriner
  • Casey Siemaszko
  • Nina Siemaszko
  • Frank Sinatra, Jr.
  • Penny Singleton
  • Richard X. Slattery
  • Tom Snyder
  • Suzanne Somers - grew up Catholic
  • Robert Stack
  • Timothy Stack
  • Frank Stallone
  • Maureen Stapleton
  • Connie Stevens - Catholic schools
  • Mink Stole
  • Barry Sullivan
  • Ed Sullivan
  • Francis L. Sullivan
  • Susan Sullivan
  • Patrick Swayze
  • D.B. Sweeney
  • Julia Sweeney - [44] "Comedian Julia Sweeney, a former Roman Catholic who lost her faith in God, tries to keep her sense of humor."
  • Terry Sweeney
  • Loretta Swit

[edit] T

  • Christine Taylor - Catholic school
  • Laurette Taylor
  • Jay Thomas
  • Andrea Thompson - raised Catholic
  • Lawrence Tierney
  • Marisa Tomei
  • Regis Toomey
  • Daniel J. Travanti
  • Alex Trebek
  • Aida Turturro
  • Nicholas Turturro - Catholic schools

[edit] U

  • David Ushery

[edit] V

  • Brenda Vaccaro
  • Wilmer Valderrama
  • Gary Valentine
  • Karen Valentine
  • Rudy Vallee
  • Dick Van Patten
  • Joyce Van Patten
  • Vincent Van Patten
  • Robert Vaughn
  • Meredith Viera
  • Herve Villechaize
  • Viva (Warhol superstar) - Catholic school

[edit] W

  • Ken Wahl
  • Donnie Wahlberg - Mark is Catholic, no info on Donnie
  • Patrick Warburton
  • John Waters - "born to Catholic family", "raised Catholic", that kind of stuff
  • Chloe Webb
  • Jack Webb
  • George Wendt
  • Walt Willey
  • Cindy Williams
  • Vanessa Lynn Williams
  • Tom Wopat
  • Jane Wyatt - a lot of second-hand references
  • Keenan Wynn "raised Roman Catholic"

[edit] Y

  • Burt Young
  • Polly Ann Young

JackO'Lantern 06:39, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sourced!

Yes! The whole list is now either sourced, or here. I really like the whole quotations business, it makes it into a genuine article. FA status anyone? JackO'Lantern 09:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Sourced!

Yes! The whole list is now either sourced, or here. I really like the whole quotations business, it makes it into a genuine article. FA status anyone? JackO'Lantern 09:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re Osments

According to [[45]]:

A.I.: Francis O'Connor Comments & Osment's Pre-A.I. Project by Steve Head April 26, 2000 - Recently cast in Spielberg's A.I., Francis O'Connor told Sydney's Sun Herald, "(Spielberg) doesn't audition people. He just sees their work. Which is good, because you know whether someone can act or not, I guess." And concerning the story, the new A.I. cast member offered, "I'm not allowed to talk about it. Only a handful of people have actually read (the script)." That being said, the film is set in New York, after the polar ice caps have melted, leaving the city deluged with water. O'Connor will portray the mother of a robot-boy, played by Haley Joel Osment.

The Sun Herald article also offers a couple noteworthy elements about the production. The creation of a water-filled New York City should put the film's budget in the $100 mil range. Plus, the shooting schedule will run 14 weeks, with principal photography beginning in July on Long Island.

On the subject of busy schedules, before reporting to the A.I. set, Haley Joel Osment will travel to Poland to begin an 8-week shoot on May 5 for Edges of the Lord. According to Variety, the Holocaust drama also stars Willem Defoe as an eccentric Catholic priest. Osment, who was raised Catholic, will portray a Jewish boy who is sheltered by Catholic peasant farmers.

I do not understand why there is this dissension on something that is so obvious and so evident that everyone except Grace Note agrees. He/she refuses to accept consensus, which is unacceptable, and he/she evidently lacks common sense.

And Demiurge: for you to say that one child could be raised in a religion and his/her sibling not be, you make no sense. Are we revisiting the Ne Temere, or is this a case of a late conversion by one of the parents, thus resulting in a discrepancy in the religion upbringing between siblings, or an actual conversion by one sibling later in life, which would produce the situation you refer to, but which is NOT the case here; neither 17 yera old Haley nor 13 year old Emily converted to RC.

That being the case, can you name me one instance of one sibling being raised in one religion, and another being raised in a different religion in the contemporary United States. I doubt you can.

The Osments stay.

Btw: Grace Urge, if you feel compelled to draw a line in the sand constantly, maybe you should relocate to a beach front area somewhere (preferably somewhere w/o Internet access).

Sieger 22:30, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

The criteria are incredibly simple: you find a source that says X is a Catholic. Not anything that in your view makes them Catholic. Not something that might mean they are Catholic. X is a Catholic. Grace Note 01:44, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Osments yet again

Grace Note: Your criteria are your design; I believe if someone is said to have been raised Catholic, they they are Catholic unless they leave the Church or are excommunicated or find another faith. You are clearly willing to allow third-party statements re an individual's religious faith, and that is not the same as a person claiming to be such and such.

It is obvious to everyone that you have drawn a line in the sand and refuse to back down in order to "save face".

I am bringing the Osments back; but I am deleting Phil Donahue and Robert DeNiro, as they qualify for the List of "Former Catholics", by your criteria.

However, if you insist that every entry must say X is a Catholic, then there are entries that need to be deleted from the List, as they, and probably others, as well, do not appear to meet your criterion. I'm not going to do it for you.

  • Tate Donovan
  • Kevin Federline (!!)
  • Dominique Dunne
  • David Gallagher
  • Sonny King
  • Dorothy Lamour
  • Courtney Love
  • Bernadette Peters
  • Bruce Springsteen
  • Linda Vester

216.194.0.105 04:24, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, on DeNiro, it says he "describes himself as a Catholic", so that fits. In Donahue's case, the reference calls him an "Irish Catholic man" - that fits GraceNote's criteria, too. By the way, that beach comment was pretty funny. JackO'Lantern 22:17, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chris Cornell?

Is Chris Cornell a Catholic? This page doesn't list him but the article on him says he is, or at least was. If you don't know who he is, he was the lead singer for Soundgarden and the short-lived Temple of the Dog and is now the lead singer of Audioslave and also has a solo career. Sherlock32 04:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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