Talk:List of Canadian provincial and territorial symbols

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Contents 1 Split 2 Order

The following explicitly grant use of the material on their website:

• Newfoundland and Labrador [1] - EXCEPT for the coat of arms (see below)

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The following explicitly grant use of the material on their website for non-commercial/educational/etc. use:

• Alberta [2]
• Ontario [3]
• Quebec [4]
• Saskatchewan [5] - EXCEPT for the coat of arms and other visual identity elements (see below)
• Yukon [6]

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• Manitoba (neither the government website nor the website where the symbols page has such a statement, but other government departments' websites do)
• New Brunswick
• Nova Scotia
• Prince Edward Island
• Northwest Territories

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The following require permission before any material on their website may be used:

• British Columbia [7]
• Newfoundland and Labrador - in the case of the coat of arms [8]
• Nunavut [9]
• Saskatchewan [10] - in the case of coats of arms and other visual identity elements

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[edit] Split

List of U.S. state insignia splits symbols into seperate lists. Why can't Canadian provinces do the same. If we do the split this could turn into a disambiguation page. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 22:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest that if it's split then it be done by territory and province rather than the way the US one is done. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 03:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Why? All the articles would be is stubs, unless we can expand on it. But if the current information was split now (without making seperate sections and copy and pasting from the articles of the mentioned symbols), they would be stubs. Disinclination 00:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Why not do both? Kevlar67 05:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

What would be the reason and/or purpose and/or benefits of splitting? (I'm only asking so I understand what we're trying to achieve here).

How about a summary table like this:

Flag	Province	Flower	Bird	Animal	Tree	Gemstone	Motto
	Alberta	Wild rose	Great Horned Owl	Big Horn Sheep	Lodgepole Pine	Ammolite	Fortis et liber
	British Columbia	Pacific dogwood	Steller's Jay	Spirit bear	Western Redcedar	Jade	Splendor sine occasu
	Manitoba	Prairie crocus	Great Grey Owl	Bison	White Spruce	none	Gloriosus et liber

--Qyd 22:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I added summary tables for provinces / territories. Now it seams to make sense to split the article by provinces, and keep this one as an overview. Thoughts? --Qyd 17:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I moved the content to separate pages: Symbols of Alberta, Symbols of British Columbia, Symbols of Manitoba, Symbols of Newfoundland and Labrador, Symbols of New Brunswick, Symbols of Nova Scotia, Symbols of Ontario, Symbols of Quebec, Symbols of Prince Edward Island, Symbols of Saskatchewan, Symbols of Northwest Territories, Symbols of Nunavut and Symbols of Yukon. They are stubs for now,but can be expanded. --Qyd 18:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Order

I'm wondering what the order of the provinces and territories is in the initial table. It's clearly not alphabetical, and it doesn't seem to be in order of when each province\territory joined the confederation. On that note, I know the columns are numerous as it is, but should there be a column for when they joined confederation? --Thaddius 12:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

They seem to be in a West-to-East geographical ordering. This is a common ordering to use in Canada when discussing each province in turn. This works because the provinces are (mostly) arranged in a linear geographical fashion. Its often a useful ordering when discussing something that can be thought of as a "mental trip" across Canada. For example, it is a useful ordering when discussing the changing geography across Canada. (The geography of the Atlantic Provinces are not arranged linearly in real life, of course, but a common thing, in my experience, is to tack on PEI and Newfoundland & Labrador last. So: BC AB SK MB ON QC NB NS PE NL. Of course, the reverse East-to-West ordering is also common.

In my experience, this is how Canadians memorize the provinces, just by picturing them in their geographic "row". This works well for the Canadian provinces but not for the US States (which I think are memorized as an alphabetical list) because there are much fewer provinces and because the provinces are generally naturally in a geographic "line", unlike the uneven "grid" of US States.

Having said all that, it seems to me that a geographical ordering of the provinces is unnecessary and unnatural for the type of information listed in this article. I suggest an alphabetical ordering as much better here. --thirty-seven 21:11, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The table has sort buttons, so it can be arranged alphabetically. --Qyd 00:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)