Talk:List of Byzantine Emperors

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Archives: Archive 1, Move debate.

[edit] Requested move

I have closed the move debate as no consensus. In order to make it clear that the debate is no longer live, I have archived it to: Talk:List of Byzantine Emperors/naming. Mangojuice^talk 20:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comments

Should we use Hellenized or Latinized forms for Byzantine Emperors and dynasties?--Semioli

Aw, not again... Adam Bishop 21:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

What Adam means is; see the archived pages (and the dates of the last posts.) A lot of editors have voted for freezing the situation for the time being and collecting more information. I'd suggest we stick to this plan. Regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I did not realize all of this. It was Imladjov who pointed me here on a matter about Constantinople patriarchs. Just a question: what do you mean by "collecting more information" and who is actually doing this?--Semioli 10:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see Talk:List_of_Byzantine_Emperors/naming#Moratorium:_a_modest_proposal. User:Andrew Dalby has offered to try to collect more data as to the use of the two forms, both in relation to context (scholarly- / non-scholarly literature) and in terms of time of publication, since so much of this dispute has revolved around the ratio between the Oxford forms (closer to Greek) versus the Latinized forms in recent material (thanks again, Andrew!) This decision is not binding, but has been voted for by many editors (myself included). The exact form of this investigation will be take place at a time when we've all had a good chance to cool off and reflect of this issue. Following that, data will be collected and used in a later debate on this topic. The collection of data will take time, and anyone is of course more than welcome in helping out in this task. Good ideas on how to do it in practice are also extremely welcome - e.g., it would be incredibly nice if we could find a database already containing most of the relevant publications. Alas, I do not know of any. Finding out how we could get more information on hit rates for the articles in questions might be worth a consideration as well. Given the heated nature of the last debate, I believe it would be the wiser solution to place this issue on the backburner for the time being to allow everybody a chance to think. (I sometimes wonder what the Byzantines would have said if anybody had ever told them that they'd still be controversial more than 500 years after their deaths.) Regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 11:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I was never quite sure whether my proposal got consensus or not. It seems it more-or-less did. Ah well. In due course I will put a message on some of the other talk pages saying that the issue will be under consideration again in early 2007 and inviting assistance, as Valentinian outlines above. Andrew Dalby 12:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

This so-called consensus is nonsense - maybe this should have been done before all the page moves to Komnenos et al took place. Maybe they should be moved back to the original pages for this period of consideration. Roydosan 12:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List appearance

Does anyone else find this list, in its present revision, amazingly difficult to read? Perhaps it should be reorganized into tabular form. -- 16:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Llywrch (talk • contribs).

It is difficult to read. If you have a good format in mind, be bold. Valentinian ^{T / C} 16:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)