Talk:List of Britpop musicians

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This article was nominated for deletion on February 1, 2006. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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[edit] Consensus

This page really needs to line up (especially the categorization) with the main Britpop article (probably both this page and the Britpop page need to be edited and brought to a meeting point. --Akrabbim 01:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The Real Britpop

Theres a difference between Britpop music (as in bubblegum, poppy sounding) and popular British bands (mainstream, chart topping groups). Placebo, Stereolab, Portishead and Radiohead are not Britpop. Stereolab is French, I don't think Placebo is British, and the last two are not "pop" music, they are experimental. Milk 04:15, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Stereolab aren't French, they have one French member, used to have a second and also featured an Australian, but are basically a British group and are based in Britain. Bonalaw 14:55, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This doesn't mean they are "Britpop" though. They really aren't, but neither is the majority of the stuff on this list. --Sachabrunel 19:34, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't call Britpop "bubblegum, poppy sounding". It's hard to describe in a nutshell but that certainly isn't right. Consider Oasis, the epitome of Britpop - are they "bubblegum"? no way. However there are a lot of contentious inclusions on this list, that's for sure. David Gray???? I mean come on - I think we ought to make sure we know what we mean by Britpop before just throwing artistes willy-nilly into the list because they are British, and perform pop. To my mind Britpop is a particular style of guitar-based band music which was quite prominent in the 1990s, i.e. Blur, Oasis - so before anyone feesl like extending this list please check out the Britpop article and make sure you know what you're talking about! Graham 05:12, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Graham - I'd agree with you, and I've been working on the list of Britpop bands and the Britpop page to this end. I've tried to add lots of the early (These Animal Men, S*M*A*S*H) and lesser (Marion, My Life Story) Britpop bands. I've deleted lots of non-Britpop bands (my favourite was Marillion!) and have been using 2000 as a cut-off date (so Graham Coxon's later solo albums got deleted) Any comments on the list as it stands?

'A' definitely don't belong there. Not only are they not Britpop, the album linked to is from 2002.


Can I offer up Garbage and Skunk Anansie as Britpop bands or at least bands strongly associated with Britpop at the time. Also what about including some of the one hit wonders. White town etc. El Daniel.

[edit] Other names

What about...

The Audience (when Sophie Ellis Bextor was an unknown singer...) The Bluetones Catatonia Geneva Kinky Machine The Lightning Seeds (like Saint Etienne, more electronic than the others but take a look at «lucky you» or «what if») Me Me Me (Blur's Alex's other band) Primal Scream (the «screamadelica» phase) Rialto Space Saladd ?

Please do add theses names to the list. I'm a big Britpop fan and would certainly like that information on this magic musical moment would be available with quality, on the internet. Next year, we should be celebrating 10 years since the greatest Britpop year, mythical 1995.

Carlos, from Portugal.

Ok, in answer:

The Audience = from 1998, too late to be really Britpop. The Bluetones = Fair enough. Catatonia = Were around in 1995, so fair enough. Geneva = Not sure, just about within the timeframe but different sound. Kinky Machine = Not sure who they are, sorry. The Lightning Seeds = Been around since 80s making similar music so not sure on this again. Me Me Me = Absolutely. Primal Scream (screamadelica) = Not at all, way too early. Rialto = A little late, but yes on balance. Space = Also a little late, but yes on balance. Salad = Absolutely. This is the kind of band that should be here. --Sachabrunel 19:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A List Divided

While I don't agree with the claims that Britpop is dead I think it's important to mention artists that are heavily influenced by Britpop. So maybe there should be a division of 1st generation and 2nd generation artists. Thoughts? Tastywheat 18:28, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Per above

Britpop does not equal "british pop," it was a pretty short-lived genre of the mid 90s only. About 65% of these bands shouldn't be in the main list at all. Breaking it up may work. --Sachabrunel 19:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Manic Street Preachers can't possibly be classified as Britpop, not that it isn't British and not that it isn't pop, but it simply doesn't fit in with the kind of music Blur and Pulp and Suede make. --165.21.154.113 15:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

But Everything Must Go and Design for life were massive Britpop albums and songs respectively. SouthEastLad 09:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I've just weeded out a lot of bands which I consider to be "not Britpop". In most cases I've given a detailed explanation. I've also, in the interests of sanity, narrowed the criteria down to genuine Britpop bands - which means they must be British. Britpop influenced bands from other countries can go elsewhere, otherwise the list just becomes jumbled nonsense.

That said, I still fear that the list isn't worth the trouble, and that it's serving as a link farm for people's favourite bands. There's also the problem that Britpop might mean something different to me (a Brit who was there) than it does to you (in, say, America). With that in mind, I have listed it for deletion. So far it's a 50/50 (which would mean the list would be kept) but if you want to have your say, either way, please follow the link provided at the top of the article. --kingboyk 02:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Proposed cuts

I think this list looks like surviving the vote so here's what I think should be in here, and these only:

We need to get away from the use of 'Britpop' to mean 'Indie' or even 'Britpop-like' - it wasn't so much a musical genre as a cultural movement. Nothing from after 1998 should be in here at all. Ditto before 1993. --Sachabrunel 17:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

In terms of inclusions, can't argue too much with that. There's a couple I would question but not enough to go ahead and remove them. I haven't checked what you've excluded. --kingboyk 18:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Ash and The Divine Comedy are from Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kingdom, NOT Britain, so shouldn't really be included.
Not entirely true. Britain and Great Britain are not synonymous. See British Isles (terminology) Malcolm Starkey 18:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New version

I've categorised everything, and put back a couple - Laxton's Superb and Thurman. I remember these getting a fair amount of press at the time and often on tour supporting the more established acts. As for Robbie, Britop-related is fair enough I'd say. Anyone have any comments please feel free to discuss here. --Sachabrunel 19:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Just checked by to see how this article was doing after it survived AFD. "A lot better" is the happy answer! Good work. --kingboyk 17:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I don't see how this list of Britpop musicians could not constitute original research...

Since as a music genre, there's no standard accepted definition of what Britpop is, I can't see how this unreferenced article could not constitute a completely unverifiable piece of original research. Maybe if it could be referenced that each of these artists had been called 'Britpop' it'd be better, but who's gonna bother to do that?--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 21:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

This may be the case, however if you read the above discussion this page is a compromise created by a failed VFD. Also you could say the same of any music genre. Sachabrunel 09:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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