Talk:Liopleurodon

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[edit] Copy Violation

This edit was almost certainly a copyvio. It matches exactly content from [1] which doesn't look like a WP copy at all; besides, Google claims its cached version dates back from May 1, 2004 [sic]. Even one year later, it would still be older than the edit above which was made on May 26, 2005. Rl 21:03, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I hate reverting to an older version if so many editors (including myself, in this case) have worked on it since then. It wasn't a huge chunk of text, either, but it was an obvious copy-paste job without attribution. Since no one else seems to take an interest in this, I have reverted to the last version before the copyvio took place. Rl 11:04, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Charlie The Magical Unicorn

We keep getting edits refering to this particular video, but, do we need to make a page for it even though it already had a page that was deleted? Or should we post some sort of note to future contributors to stop referring to it?--Mr Fink 19:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The best thing to do would be to see why exactly it was deleted, albeit I figure it is simply because it is an internet video and if wikipedia had an article about it, it would unleash a torrent of other similar trivial wikipedia articles on videos. Personally, I'm slightly in favor of having a page for the video because I've been out and about and have actually heard people (who I've never met) quoting it--and I've heard similar accounts from some of my friends who have seen the video. Granted, I don't feel that that rationale in and of itself is good enough to make an article of it. On the other hand, if there was a blurb in TIME magazine or something about it then it would be article-worthy in my opinion. But yeah, I'm in favor of posting a note to stop referring to it, while trying to confirm the reasoning behind deleting the article. b_cubed 22:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

From what I've read, the page was deleted because it was simply not noteworthy from Wikipedia's standpoint. Maybe we could just put a link of it to the original website in the external link section and thus, circumvent the need to ressurect the page?--Mr Fink 00:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I just put in a note to tell people not to wikilink it. It's alright if the blurb stays in the article, I figure it will be better to keep it unwikilinked. b_cubed 21:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Further Stuffs On Charlie

Is it possible to get this page protected to keep these dimwads from posting references, or posting vandalisms in reference to Charlie the Magical Unicorn?--Mr Fink 22:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

the video has about 5 million views. why not just accept that it actually IS a mention in "popular culture" of a Liopleurodon?

Then why has the video's article here in Wikipedia been deleted twice in a row?--Mr Fink 22:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Because people like you, who tend to be wikipedia editors, tend to hav a hard time accepting that there is stuff out there that is not necessarily serious but can still be notable phenomena. Additionally, i really don't feel like the video necesarily merits an entire article, but maybe just a mention as a "popular culture" appearance of a Liopleurodon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.169.106 (talk) 03:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

I've seen the video. It's funny. But the Liopleurodon is mentioned once and shown for about 3 seconds. We can't go adding pop culture refs to the video for every single thing depicted in it. Why not in the culture section for candy, or magic? A mention in Unicorn (or better yet YouTube), if anything, would be enough. Dinoguy2 03:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought the point of an encyclopedia that anyone could edit was that "we" don't have to add everything. If the mention has been requested multiple times, is factually accurate, and refers to a genuine cultural phenomenon (and it is hard to argue that Charley does not qualify), what is the problem? If the video turns out to be a flash in the pan (as it most likely will), then in a few months the reference can be quietly erased, no problem. I'm pretty sure that it's not worth threatening people with banning over... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.220.63.34 (talk) 18:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

Perhaps if you didn't spitefully demand that other pop culture references be removed simply because it's been decided that Charlie the Unicorn was not worth mentioning, you wouldn't have been warned.--Mr Fink 19:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

And as such, why is it that a 3 second inclusion in an internet cartoon must be referenced in the article?--Mr Fink 04:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess because it's popular culture, and there is a section on popular culture here. Most people who see this video don't know what one is, and tend to look it up. 192.195.234.26 22:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

But those people don't need to be told it was in Charlie the Unicorn, obviously. Contrary to what (apparently) a whole lot of editors around here think, pop culture sections are not meant to be dumping grounds for lists of every single minor appearance of a creature as a toy, cartoon, in an ad, on a cereal box, etc etc. It should be limited to important or notable appearances as dictated by the Wiki policies on those things. Just look at the travesty of an article that was Pterodactyl (now moved to Pterodactyls in popular culture, but which probably should still be deleted completely or totally re-written). Dinoguy2 23:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

As a third-party observer, I would like to propose some form of compromise. I think that both sides to this debate have equally valid points. I do not believe that Charlie the Unicorn itself merits an article, however, I do believe that a reference to it should be allowed on this article. As long as the reference to the internet short is terse; something along the lines to:

In the internet short Charlie the Unicorn, a magical Liopleurodon helps to guide three unicorns to Candy Mountain.

I do not see why it cannot be included. A) It will help solve this mini controversy. B) I cannot help but find it odd that a Land Before Time reference is allowed to stay in while a terse acknowledgement of the internet short is not allowed. I have no solid statistics to back me up, but my gut-feeling tells me that more people have seen this short than have seen the 9th Land before Time video. (who knew there was 9?--and doubtless there are more!) C) There is nothing wrong with including a one more tidbit of popular culture in a Liopleurodon article. (Dinoguy2, I totally understand your concern. There is many articles I've had to rewrite or create separate articles for just the popular culture section, e.g. to kill a mockingbird, of mice and men, Risk (game), etc. However, do you really believe that there can be much more pop culture references to Liopleurodon?) This all being said: I think a terse mention of the short should be included. It will stop the 'vandals' who keep trying to add it in. However, the persons maintaining this article should not let people just add nonsense about it. b_cubed 23:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The article on Land Before Time 9 has been allowed to exist--Charlie has not. If you can convince other editors that Charlie is notable for a Wikipedia article, I'll concede it's notable enough for inclusion here. Or, alternately, somebody can maybe write up an article explaining why the appearance of a Liopleurodon in Charlie the Unicorn is significant, preferably to the subject of Liopleurodon itself, and publish it, and then reference it here. That would create real, tangible, undeniable notability, and would probably be enough to even warrent a full article on Charlie. It's the fact that Charlie has, appearently (since nobody has presented cites) been totally ignored in popular culture and the media that you guys are finding it is not notable. Loads and loads have been written on other YouTube phenomena, and the fact that Charlie has been left out indicates to me that it is not the phenomena average users seem to think it is, or at least lacks any kind of distingishing notability outside itself. Dinoguy2 06:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, actually, I was one of the main people behind deleting any Charlie the Unicorn article that cropped up (along with other internet phenomena articles). As I said before, I don't think it merits an article but simply because something doesn't merit an article doesn't mean it can't be mentioned in one, right? I don't see the sense in having a popular culture section in the article if you aren't willing to acknowledge an aspect of Liopleurodon pop culture. Besides, by acknowledging it in this article you will cut down on the reverts that are continually being made. b_cubed 01:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not so sure. Back when Charlie the Unicorn was mentioned in the article, most of the reverts concerned removing the childish vandalisms fans of it who were trying to make it more entertaining to the detriment of the entire article.--Mr Fink 01:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)