Talk:Linksys WRT54G series

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[edit] VPN Now working

With the latest firmware, VPN connections now also work with V5 routers. Only took them 1 1/2 years to actually fix this.

[edit] WRT54GC Info

Someone should add info on the WRT54GC model. It's an iPod-sized router, 1 MB of Flash and 4MB of RAM. Information available at Hacking the WRT54GC Router. Flashing with a 3rd-party firmware sounds unfeasible.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.165.42.14 (talk) 21:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Question about speed/RAM

I noticed that the later versions of this router have lower speed and RAM. Does this mean the later versions are actually weaker? I need to buy a new router because my current one is ont he fritz

I can't imagine the difference betwene 200 and 216 mhz is going to make much difference, probablly just means they wen't for a slighly different model of CPU. I've heared reports that the VxWorks based versions should be avoided though (e.g. if you wan't a new one now then get a GL) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Plugwash (talk • contribs) 01:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

As I have stated below, this is not an actual difference in the cpu (at least with the models I researched and also have personal experience with), it was a linksys-released firmware fix for a hardware bug which caused reliability problems until the CPU was overclocked to 216Mhz from 200Mhz. try installing an old (original?) version of the linux firmware on your router and then install the current one. You should notice that the CPU defaults to 216Mhz on the newer version. Jaqie Fox 17:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CGN9

This serial number is showing up in eBay auctions. Does anyone know the specs for it? --Feanor512 05:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DD-WRT now runs on the WRT54G version 5!

I have added some info regarding this development in the article, under the "Hardware versions affect firmware compatibility" section. --SausMeester 00:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Amazing! Maybe I can finally get some use out of this piece of crap router that has been sitting in my drawer for months! Kurt 11:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

added links to http://wrt-wiki.bsr-clan.de/index.php?title=Flash_Your_Version_5_WRT54G the dd-wrt wiki page that gives more info on this and describes the procedure used (how to). --SausMeester 22:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

It is now possible to install DD-WRT on a v5 model with no disassembling of the router! http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6352077661.html Amazing! I have replaced my wired Linksys BEFSR41 with the WRT54G v5 with DD-WRT on it. It is almost like a brand new Cisco router!

If I was any good at writing, I would add something about it to the article. :) Kurt 02:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

DD-WRT Now functions on the WRT54GS v5 also. JavaDog 01:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WRT54G.net blocked by the WRT54G

If trying to access WRT54G.net via my WRT54G (no idea which version... where to check that?), I get a host not found error. The site works from elsewhere... --Anonymous 14:48, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

To check your hardware revision number, pick up your WRT54G and look for the large, silver sticker. Somewhere on this sticker it will read something like "WRT54G ver. 1.1" (as on my router). As for the website you mentioned, I have no trouble sccessing it with my DSL setup. Maybe it was a temporary site outage? — EagleOne\^Talk 21:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

...it's not true, there must be something else the matter with your configuration (tried it from multiple WRT54G(L)s). --145.99.213.194 19:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio

This page has been marked as a possible having possibly contianing copyright violations [1] but I am not sure where the discussion for this will occur (I can move this if necessary). I searched for an archive of this page but google[2] dosen't have an older page referencing the potential original work nor does archive.org[3]. If the date of the alleged original work is the original creation date then it says as retrieved on Jul 18, 2005 02:30:34 GMT on line two. I checked the this page before July 18, 2005 which already had the text that was simmilar to the external web page date 2004-11-10 01:01:14 [4] .

The author appears to be mirroring wikipeida:

Our service will let you find what you are always looking for. Word search our word pages for better results. Our free service is provided as is without any warranties to solve any word problems. Much of our content is from Wikipedia.org held under GNU Free Documentation license. [5]

Also the test class="wikitable" is used within context of the article further indicating that the site is mirroring wikipedia.

Did the external web page author state that his/her work was to original context and wasn't able to be licensed for use on wiki but the first page says that the work is GFDL? Does the external site simply mirror wikipedia cuasing a horse/cart problem? However it goes, if this is a true copyvio, then the page can be re-worked easily enough. Supercoop 11:37, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

The referenced page that this article allegedly violates is actually a copy of this page (wikipedia is the original). It seems likely that the "violation" is actually an abuse designd to redirect those looking for the article to the ad infested reference. Anonymous 2005-10-10 17:02:51
It's quite obvious entire site minus the front page is a "spam" site using Wikipedia text; easily verified by looking at the rest of the content[6]. Anonymous 19:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- If you guys would log in and sign your name then I would have some backing that this isn't a real copyvio. --Supercoop 20:05, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Changing all occurences of the term "SRAM" to the more general term "RAM". The WRT54G actually uses SDRAM, a type of DRAM. SRAM is very different and completely unsuited for a low speed, cost sensitive consumer device like the WRT54G. Google image search finds many high resolution images of the WRT54G mainboard which can be used to verify this info. Additionally, this linksysinfo.org page has high resolution photos of the various WRT54G/GS models and a comparison chart listing the memory chips used. The WRT54G versions 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, and WRT54GS versions 1.0 and 1.1 all use ISSI brand SDR SDRAM chips. The WRT54G versions 2.2 and 3.0 use Hynix brand DDR SDRAM chips. ISSI part numbers are listed here: ISSI Product Guide PDF. Hynix part numbers are listed here: Hynix Part Numbers PDF. Since the specific variety of RAM is not particularly relevant to the article, it is sensible to just use the general term RAM instead of the more specific term SDRAM. But either term is better than SRAM, which is factually incorrect. --Ryanrs 01:41, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

"The WRT54G is unique among consumer-level network devices in that Linksys developers have released the source code for the router's firmware under the GPL."

There's nothing unique about this fact. Linksys and several other access point vendors use Linux across their product lines and they publish the GPL portions of their source code. What makes the WRT54G stand out is that it was 1.) one of the first to have its source code released under the GPL, 2.) it's insanely cheap cost, and 3.) hardware is easily hackable. Jgw 21:03, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Can you name any other vendors who use Linux in consumer-level access points?

Yes, I can in fact. OpenWRT's Table of Hardware Infil00p 07:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

WRTSL54GS version 1: 'Flash memory' column: 8 MB / 'Notes' column: Uses 16MB of Intel TE28F640 flash ... Which one is correct ??? Teo 05:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] iPod notes.

Is there any way we could keep the notes that were edited out here? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WRT54G&diff=42660905&oldid=42644088

Maybe a link to another site with these notes or something. I found these really usefull, but I understand how they can be considred inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Sharky 03:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WRT54GL no longer produced by Linksys?

All over the web, reports have popped up that Linksys has (already!) seized production of the WRT54GL in a sudden reversal of course (as this product was intended to supply Linux/third party firmware-enthousiasts when they introduced versions of their products that would no longer support linux/third party firmwares).

See [7] this topic of the DD-WRT forum for example.

However, personally it is still unclear to me whether it is just generally believed that the WRT54GL is no longer being made, or if this is a solid fact.

I think that IF this is a solid fact, there should be an addition to the article, firstly describing how and why Linksys introduced the GL in the first place, and then describing it's retirement. --SausMeester 22:25, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Recently, more or less backed reports have sprung up, saying that Linksys has, in a complete reversal of course, already decided to stop producing the WRT54GL. At this point it is still hard to see whether this is a fact, with contradictory comments coming from various Linksys officials, but the availability of this model in the market seems to be declining.

I removed the quote above from the article. While the discussion forum cited above is interesting, I don't think it rises to the level where it makes a good reference for an encyclopedia. Regarding availablity, although the GL model had been out-of-stock, they currently seems to be available at Amazon and other places online. Until there is a little more solid evidence, this discussion might be better on the talk page than in the article. --Michaelfavor 04:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect. It appears that the above rumors are inaccurate--I just bought a WRT54GL with a manufacture date of July 2006. It is, however, a 1.1 model, which makes me think that the grain of truth from March may have been that they stopped making the 1.0 version then. Tlesher 00:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

My brand-new WRT54GL has a manufacturing date of August 2006, so this is definitely incorrect. -- Ranma 16:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WRT54GS v2.1

Hi peeps,

I just made an edit in regards to the speed of WRT54GS v2.1. It's CPU speed is actually 216Mhz and not 200Mhz as previously mentioned. I got the data off my own router.

Regards,

Adi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adisor19 (talk • contribs) 18:39, June 21, 2006 (UTC)

IIRC this was actually a firmware upgrade workaround from linksys to fix hardware reliability problems which disappeared when the CPU was overclocked to 216Mhz from 200Mhz. I confirmed this with different firmware versions for my own WRT54GSv3. Jaqie Fox 02:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PPPoE

Hallo. would anyone know if this router supports PPPoE? i am looking to purchase one and PPPoE is necessary component of the possible router. thanx.

Alex.

Yes, at least for the WRT54GL. --Designatevoid 17:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the WRT54GSv3 also supports it. Jaqie Fox 03:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Known Issues Still Exist Today (24/9/06)

The known issues still exist for this model when come out-of-box?

So whoever bought this model from Linksys would need immediate firmware upgrade?

Appreciate your reply.

Thanks.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Continuum.trio (talk • contribs).

[edit] WRT54GL Stock Firmware Discrepancy

The downloadable firmware for the WRT54GL from the Linksys site [8] says that it is version 4.30.2 but when you install it the firmware version is 4.30.5. I updated the page to state that the 4.30.5 version is the latest available for download. --Designatevoid 17:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The IP of this ?

How call this router without DHCP, with a fixed IP? What is the IP of this router? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.79.9.42 (talk • contribs).

Its default IP is 192.168.1.1, as far as I remember. — JeremyTalk 23:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How do you find out what hardware version you have please?

Can someone please tell me (or mention in the article) how to tell what version of the hardware a WRT54G router has please? Thanks, --User:Rebroad 20:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The relevant information is in the article. Check the first few digits of your router's serial number and compare them to the S/N prefixes in the table.

[edit] except WRTSL54GS

The devices have two removable antennas connected through Reverse Polarity
TNC connectors (except WRTSL54GS).

The sentence was not clear to me. What does this "except" apply to? Number of antennas or type of connectors? The webpage of WRTSL54GS given in the article shows a photo of the device, clearly with a single antenna. I suppose that my correction is (no pun intended) correct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Saimhe (talk • contribs) 08:25, November 27, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tarifa page missing

The link to Tarifa under the "Third Party Firmware Projects" heading goes to the page for the geographical location in Spain. I couldn't find a page for the firmware project "Tarifa", nor could I find a disambiguation page for Tarifa. Could someone see about either making one, or if I just missed it somehow. Maybe it should be an external link.

[edit] Article is now semi-protected

Ok, after our trouble-maker decided to come back for a second day of vandalism, I relisted this article on requests for page protection and have been granted semi-protection. I also got my user page protected at the same time, and Sveasoft has also been protected in a separate action. So no more petty reverting or nonsense about "RMS' Johnson". If he wants to vandalise any protected page, he's going to have to get an account, and admins are usually pretty quick to block vandalism-only accounts. In case you don't know what to do, hop on over to Administrator intervention against vandalism and follow the instructions provided. --Imroy 02:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone must hate the GNU public license! :-( --66.57.62.112 22:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to work out personal issues Tokachu. Please keep the non-NPOV edits out of Wikipedia and use proper email or other channels for personal problems. Using open proxies for updates like the above is also an improper use of Wikipedia.

[edit] Renniy's edits

Renniy (a suspected sock-puppet) and a number of anonymous IP addresses has been reverting some relatively minor but important points about a number of distros. Can someone set me straight on these issues:

The DD-WRT article says that it was based on Sveasoft, but is now based on OpenWRT. But is there a paid version as well as the free one?
Are old versions of Sveasoft available for free?
Are Tomato and X-Wrt minor or major distros?

That last one is pretty subjective.

It would be really nice if we could stop this petty fighting and get down to the facts. Engaging in edit wars with multiple sock-puppets just muddies the waters and does not help the situation. --Imroy 16:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Renniy's edits are highly suspicious as he attacks other editors, removes bad info about Sveasoft and chnages DD-WRT info to make it seem that DD-WRT is still based off Sveasoft. Renniy if you want to get anything done you're going to have to discuss it on the talk page first as you have about 3 or 4 editors reverting your changes on sight. BJ^Talk 17:33, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to restore NPOV for WRT54G and Sveasoft. Please stop reverting my edits and comments on the discussion page and stop defacing my user page. Sveasoft has paid AND free versions available. DD-WRT was based on Alchemy and now is based on the Alchemy userspace code and the OpenWRT linux kernel code. Tomato and XWRT are new projects and can't (yet) be considered major. Renniy^Talk 17:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter what it is based off, unless you have a source that backs up what your saying we go with what the offical source says and they say it is based of openWRT. BJ^Talk 18:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

the source code itself is self-documenting. The userspace code is from Alchemy (which is itself an extension of the Linksys code) and the kernel a modified Linux-MIPS kernel with additions from Openwrt Renniy^Talk 18:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Still that is OR, unless you can find a reliable source that backs up your claims it should remain as it is. BJ^Talk 18:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

No idea about anything with DD-WRT and Sveasoft, but moved Tomato to a major project. For example, it's clearly become one of the most popular firmware projects on linksysinfo.org. Mr. Zarniwoop 18:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree it should be a major project as all the minor projects are just forks of bigger projects. BJ^Talk 18:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Tomato has been around for just a couple of months. I agree it could become a major project but needs more time. I guess HyperWRT could be considered a minor project now as it seems many HyperWRT users have hopped from HypertWRT to Tomato since Tofu wrote both. I think Tomato needs to be around longer before it is considered a major project. Renniy^Talk 18:29, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Also it has it's own page, also making it "major". BJ^Talk 18:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Fon, Coova, and a couple of others have their own pages but I don't see any of them as major. Let's leave Tomato where it is (major). We can move it if it isn't receiving the same attention in a couple of months. Renniy^Talk 18:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

The page on Fon is about Fon not the firmware and Coova doesn't have a page that is a external link. BJ^Talk 18:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Renniy, you'd get more credibility if your ID had more of a history instead of just showing up a few days ago after an edit war and then a single-minded focus on editing WRT54G and Sveasoft. It gives the impression that you have an axe to grind. Mr. Zarniwoop 21:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Mr- Zarniwoop - I see you are also a newly registered member. I'm just a RedSox fan. Don' take it personal. Renniy^Talk 22:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I've been editing Wikipedia articles with this ID for almost a year now. And have contributed to the Red Sox article, actually. You showed up a few days ago after an edit war and focus purely on Sveasoft. Hence my advice to you. Mr. Zarniwoop 23:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WRT54GL Version 1 and 1.1 Differences.

It should be noted that the vlan numbering is different from version 1 and 1.1 they are in fact in reverse order. this can be seen on the OpenWRT wiki http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Configuration#head-b62c144b9886b221e0c4b870edb0dd23a7b6acab with comments written "LAN is ports 0-3, WAN is port 4"

-Rip —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.122.192.126 (talk) 00:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] What CPU?

The article talks of CPU speeds, but not what archetecture of CPU it is. I'm pretty sure it is MIPS based. Perhaps this should be confirmed and mentioned?

[edit] WRT54GR

Should it really be noted if it's uncertain information? I'm removing this section as of now, until something certain can be reinforced. You wouldn't find uncertainty in an encyclopedia article. JavaDog 01:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CPU speed chart not consistent

I noticed the CPU speed chart has a smattering of 200 and 216Mhz for the same CPU. As per my own research and personal experience with several WRT54G and GS versions, Linksys released a firmware upgrade a year or more ago (IIRC) that overclocked the 200Mhz series of CPUs from 200Mhz to 216Mhz in order to fix a hardware reliability problem. I feel I am too new to just edit the main page to reflect this fact, but I feel that listing the speeds haphazardly like that is counterintuitive and counterproductive. I don't care whether it lists the firmware-upgraded speed (216) or the stock speed (200) of the chip, but shouldn't the article at least be consistent? Jaqie Fox 04:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

My $0.02 is that the speed reflects the operating speed of the device, not necessarily the manufacturing speed. If the company is selling units at 216 Mhz, it's obviously safe (or even better than at 200). If anything, the 200 Mhz units are under-clocked. I think that there's enough notice about the 216 Mhz phenomena that the people who actually care about the speed will want to know that their unit might not work at 200 Mhz if they tweak something on purpose or otherwise. Just a thought. I'm just a user. --btrotter 17:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Using 2 WRT54G's for added security

I have lots of ports on my WRT54G V5 router open for numerous family software applications that are all on one computer and I would like to isolate these risky activities from the rest of my network. I recently read I could use two routers, plug one router into another, assign each a different starting IP address (such as 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.2.1). Then attach my at-risk PCs--to the router that's directly connected to my broadband modem, and all other computers to the second router. Internet traffic to and from the unsafe PC area would then not reach my secure subnetwork at all. I currently use a WRT54G V5...does buying a second one and using it as described make sense? It sounds like a rather inexpensive way to add security to my network. I assume the second router gets connected from it's internet jack to one of the port jacks on the first router? Is there anything else that would need to be changed or set in either router to make this work? Can I please ask if u respond to try and keep your response at a level that a non expert could understand.....I would really appreciate it! Thanks for everyones advice! Evetsmd 13:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Since you're new here, I should point out that Wikipedia is not a support forum. We are here to write encyclopaedic articles and these "talk" pages are here to discuss issues with said articles. This is not the place to ask for technical help. Since I'm not a complete bastard, I will say that a second router is likely unnecessary and suggest you read up on routers, firewalls, possibly even DMZ's and VLAN's. But that is all I will say. I suggest you find a more suitable forum to ask questions. Thank you. --Imroy 14:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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