Talk:Line of succession to the French throne (Orléanist)

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Are Henri's youngest son, Eudes, duc d'Angoulême (b. 1968) and his son Pierre (b. 2003) not included? Morhange 04:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Are the Orleans-Braganza and Orleans-Galliera definitely considered to not be in line? john k 22:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The Orleans-Braganza was not a full renuncition, it was ceding priority: they promised not to press their claim until all (French) branches are exhausted. And, I never heard anything of a renunciation on the part of Montpensier-Galliera; and you see, any ceding priority would not make sense as their doing, because they are already bottom-feeders of the list. Now, the big question is the order between Orleans-Braganza and Galliera: did the Orleans-Braganza meant to give priority also to the Galliera, or are they all actually in the order they would anyway be. (There exists no longer any "French" dynast) between Orleans-Braganza and Gallera, contrary to what existed in the said occasion of "ceding priority". Marrtel 23:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Given that the Orleans-Braganza deferral was presumably on the basis that they were marrying foreigners, it would seem odd for the Galliera to succeed ahead of them. So I'd say to put it in the natural order of genealogical seniority. john k 23:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Umm, it was because Orleans-Braganza were to be pretenders of another throne, whereas the Galliera were never and are not that close. Marrtel 03:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

They were very close at the time of the marriage. Indeed, given Francisco's sexual tendencies, it was quite strongly expected at the time of the marriage that Antoine and Louisa's child would inherit the Spanish throne - Isabella trumped that by her infidelities. john k 05:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. The grounds for the renunciation of the Comte d'Eu is that he was immigrating to Brazil permanently. The grounds for the current exclusion from the Orleanist line of succession of Eu's descendants is that he did immigrate. The Orleans-Braganzas and Gallieras are not last in the Orleanist succession -- they aren't in it at all. The Family Pact implicitly acknowledged that the Orleans-Braganzas are not considered dynasts by the Orleanist pretenders, but they do consider themselves dynasts -- after all other dynastic lines (and the Orleanist pretenders did not recognize the Gallieras as dynasts when the Pact was signed by nearly all agnates, nor were the Gallieras invited to sign the Pact). Both the Orleanist pretenders and the Brazilian pretenders consider the Orleans-Braganzas a distinct princely house, with precedence for the Pedro de Alcanatara branch based on their kinship to the Orleans dynasty, and for the Luis line based on their pretendership to Brazil. Lethiere 19:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)