Talk:Lin Kuei
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On June 15 2005 this page was nominated for deletion. The result of the debate was to no consensus. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Lin kuei for discussion. Mackensen (talk) 16:22, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I plan to nominate this article for deletion if it is not fixed soon. It fails to make clear that the information refers to a video game. I will change the article accordingly, but unless an actual reliable source can be found for the rest, I think it should be deleted. (147.126.46.165 22:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC))
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[edit] Concerning the revert
I reverted to just before Darksoldier's edit, and now I plan to add the useful information from the edits following it. I have two reasons for this:
- Darksoldier's edit refers extensively to the numbering of the Sub-Zero's (mostly IV, V, and VI). This numbering is not referenced in ANY of the games (I should know, I've played them all), and is most likely fanon. I suppose it's possible that the numbering appeared in any of the game's comic books (though not MK1's - I've seen that one), but if so, it's never been referenced again, nor have I ever heard of a definitive source - despite the fact that this numbering system is used widely among fans, for whatever reason. Since there are ONLY two Sub-Zero's that have ever appeared in any of the games, in any form, it's probably best to just use "the Elder" or "the Younger" like Sub-Zero's page does. The numbering is just needlessly confusing.
- Darksoldier's edit was fairly useful in that it followed an outline format, and was rather clearer than what was there previously. On the other hand, it also deleted numerous details and added rather debatable information with no mention of its origin or factualness. For example, Rain's full information (that the bio that referred to him being in the Lin Kuei was entirely changed in later versions and never referenced again) was removed and replaced with a dubious conclusion (the Lin Kuei sending an assassin).
Anyway, that's my opinion.
[edit] Lin kuei
The Lin Kuei clan or " forest demons" were an ancient secretive cult that operated somewhere in Northern China many hundred years ago. This individual clan's past and history is shrouded in mystery, however, it's believed that they resided in the deep parts of the forests ( how they got their name) and capture unsuspecting travelers and force them to breed with the clan in order to grow their numbers and members. Children are usually brainwashed and were chosen at birth to work as spies, assassins, and thieves for the benefits of the clan. But when more and more people began moving into their territories their numbers dwindled and went their separate ways. Probably during China's Tang Dynasty, some of the Lin Kuei members traveled to Japan to teach their secret arts and ways to the local villagers and over the years, many of these methods were used and were incorporated into the art of ninjitsu. It's believed that some Lin Kuei stayed in Japan and made a living as mountain hermits or priests called the Yamabushi. Other Lin Kuei traveled to Korea and taught their ways to the Hwarang-do warriors. No depiction of them has ever been made in Chinese poetry, art, and literature but it's believed they were monks who practiced their ways and customs secretly in caves and in forests for centuries. After, the clan's decline, the last Shr-lin (grandmaster of the Lin Kuei) moved to the USA to re-form the clan. The last Chinese shr-lin died during the 1970's, and since then, a clan member known as Li Hsing,who claims to have been a friend of the last Chinese Shr-lin has written two books about the clan. These 2 books that were known to have been written by Li Hsing are " China's Ninja Connection" and " The Combat Skills of the Lin Kuei: Heritage of the Ninja".
The idea of the "Lin Kuei" soon became known in the hit fighting video game, " Mortal Kombat" in which the Lin Kuei were portrayed as Sub-Zero's clan of Chinese "ninjas". The Lin Kuei known in the game besides Sub-Zero are Sektor, Cyrax, Smoke, and Frost.
An'Chi- A secretive Chinese art, and a distant cousin to Ninjitsu.
This unusual Chinese style concentrates on hidden weapons and gadgets, and is taught in secret. Its reliance on exotic tools make it a distant cousin to Ninjutsu, and An Ch'i exiles in Japan might have been among the original ninja. Like Ninjutsu, it concentrates on the use of deception, guerilla warfare, tricks and traps, and the like.
This style concentrates on the use of thrown weapons. It is said that masters of this style can turn any common household object into a deadly weapon. This form also specializes in concealing techniques for small throwing weapons, such as spring-loaded arrows, shuriken disguised as common items like coins, harmless-looking darts, and countless others. In combat, an An Ch'i specialist will try to take his opponents by surprise. He will seem helpless. Suddenly, weapons will appear in his hands, and he will start raining them on his enemies, aiming for vital points. An Ch'i masters are also well-known for filling their hiding places with exotic booby traps.
As a style, An Ch'i is rather incomplete and was probably not meant to be studied alone, but in combination with other styles, particularly external Kung Fu forms. This style was common among the Chinese equivalent of the ninja -- the Lin Kuei, or "forest demons."
[edit] Lin Kuei clean-up
The introduction section of this article concerning the "real" Lin Kuei needs to be clean-up. The information is useful and organized effeciently, but it looks sloppy. Also, concerning the "real" Lin Kuei and the fictitious Mortal Kombat faction of the same name, they both fit nicely into one article. I don't feel the need that to have them in seperate articles, considering anyone looking up information on the Lin Kuei is probably going to be looking up information on the Mortal Kombat faction. (Notorious4life 21:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC))
[edit] An Ch'i
Is this article true? Based on the description of "An'Chi," I somehow have little confidence in it, but...
An-Ch'i (Wade-Giles) or Anqi (pinyin) (暗器), is a general term for hidden weapons, typically thrown or flexible (i.e. connected to ropes or chains). Although a good tactic in battle, use of anqi was often considered dishonorable and unheroic. Some anqi are still practiced today in the form of modern wushu performances, including the rope dart, nine section whip, and others, but it is extremely rare to find it still practiced as a combat art.
Anqi is NOT a style of its own; styles simply incorporated certain hidden weapons sometimes.
Edededed 04:44, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Not a hoax
The Lin Kuei are not a hoax but a local myth Pojojo 05:41, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Article cleanup passed in favor of revert
The following version of the article was reverted back to the last decent-looking version of the article. The reason for that is because the article below is a horrible looking article, which is in desperate need of a rewrite, copyedit, and improvement. I have removed it from the article and placed it here (it can also been seen here), wherein once it is improved, pieces of it can back onto the main article. —№tǒŖïøŭş4lĭfė ♫♪
The Lin Kuei clan, also known as forest demons, were an ancient secretive cult that operated in northern China many hundreds of years ago. This individual clan's past and history is shrouded in mystery. However, it is believed that they resided in the deep parts of the forests, and they captured unsuspecting travelers and forced them to breed with the clan in order to grow their numbers and members. Children are usually brainwashed and were chosen at birth to work as spies, assassins, and thieves for the benefits of the clan (similar to the thugees in India). When more and more people began moving into their territories, their numbers dwindled and went their separate ways.
Probably during China's Tang Dynasty, some of the Lin Kuei members traveled to Japan to teach their secret arts and ways to the local villagers. Over the years, many of these methods were used and were incorporated into the art of ninjutsu. It is believed that some Lin Kuei stayed in Japan and made a living as mountain hermits or priests, known as the Yamabushi. They have since disappeared. Other Lin Kuei traveled to Korea and continued their teachings and the warriors there became known as the 'Sulsa'.
It is believed that they were monks who practiced their ways and customs. They lived secretly in caves and in forests for centuries. After the clan's decline, the last Shr-lin (grandmaster of the Lin Kuei) moved to the United States to reform the clan. The last Shr-lin died during the 1970's, and since then, a clan member known as Li Hsing, who claims to have been a friend of the last Shr-lin. Two books written by Li Hsing are China's Ninja Connection and The Combat Skills of the Lin Kuei: Heritage of the Ninja.
- The Lin Kuei (or Lin Gui - 林鬼 in Mandarin) The Foshin Lin Qui (KUEI), were an ancient clan that operated in Southern and Northern china many hundred of years ago. This individual clan’s past history was shrouded in mystery until now. The true Lin Qui were farmers that resided in the deep parts of the forests around 587. Some of the farmers were masters in different self defense systems. The villages were attacked by thugs and bandits etc. The farmers came together and designed a self defense system like no other. The art never got a name from its founders. The name Lin Qui came from the bandits and solders of Emperor Wen of Sui (541-604), personal name Yang Jian, was the founder and first emperor of China's Sui Dynasty. during China's Sui Dynasty (Hanyu Pinyin: suí cháo, 581-618) followed the Southern and Northern Dynasties and preceded the Tang Dynasty in China. The Tang Dynasty (pinyin: tángcháo) (June 18, 618 – June 4, 907) followed the Sui Dynasty and preceded the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Period in China. The dynasty was interrupted by the Second Zhou Dynasty (October 16, 690 – March 3, 705) when Empress Wu Zetian seized the throne. The dynasty was founded by the Li family.. It ended nearly four centuries of division between rival regimes some of the Lin Qui traveled to other parts of Asia, Japan and Korea to teach their secret arts and ways to the local villagers. The Lin Qui broke up in to two main family's. Over the years, many of these methods were used and were incorporated into the art of Ninjutsu, also called shinobi no jutsu, is a collection of techniques originally practiced for espionage purposes. It includes methods of gathering information, non-detection, avoidance, and misdirection techniques. Ninjutsu can also involve training in disguise, escape, concealment, archery, medicine, and explosives.
Practitioners of ninjutsu have been seen as assassins for hire, and have been associated in the public imagination with other activities which are considered criminal by modern standards. Even though it was influenced by Chinese spying techniques and the strategic principles of Sun Tzu, ninjutsu is believed by its adherents to be of Japanese origin. One version is that the basis of ninjutsu was taught to a Japanese household who fled to the mountains after losing a battle. There they came across Chinese warrior monks who had fled China. Later, the skills were developed over 300 years to create ninjutsu.
Although the popular view is that ninjutsu is the art of secrecy or stealth, actual practitioners consider it to mean the art of enduring - enduring all of life's hardships. The character nin carries both these meanings, and others.
In the modern world the word ninjutsu usually refers to a certain system (Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu) of self defense, and its offshoots. It is true that ninjutsu has a long and myth-filled history, but today almost anyone is allowed to practice modern ninjutsu. As one makes progress in ninjutsu the system gets more sophisticated, and one might realize that the system contains more than fighting skills. To avoid misunderstandings, "ninjutsu" should just refer to a specific branch of Japanese martial arts, unless it is being used in a historical.
It is believed that some Lin Qui stayed in Japan and made a living as mountain hermits or priests, known as the Yamabushi.
Yamabushi began as yamahoshi, isolated clusters (or individuals) of mountain hermits, ascetics, and 'holy men,' who followed the path of shugendo, a search for spiritual, mystical, or supernatural powers gained through asceticism. This path may or may not have had a founder, as the myths surrounding En no Gyoja are numerous and complex; he is quite similar to a Japanese Merlin in this way. Men who followed this path came to be known by a variety of names, including kenja, kenza, and shugenja. These mountain mystics came to be renowned for their magical abilities and occult knowledge, and were sought out as healers or mediums, known as miko. Most of these ascetics, in addition to their devotion to shugendo, studied the teachings of the Tendai sect of Buddhism, or the Shingon sect, established by Kobo Daishi in the 8th century. Shingon was one of the primary sects of Esoteric Buddhism, according to which enlightenment is found through isolation, and the study and contemplation of
oneself, as well as nature, and esoteric images called mandala. Both the Shingon sect and the Tendai viewed mountains as the ideal place for this sort of isolation and contemplation of nature. In their mountain retreats, these
monks studied not only nature and religious/spiritual texts and images, but also a variety of martial arts. Whether they felt they had to defend themselves from bandits, other monks, or samurai armies is questionable, but the idea of studying martial arts as a means to improve oneself mentally and spiritually, not just physically, has always been central to Japanese culture, outside from the specific tenets of one religious sect or another. Thus, like the sohei, the yamabushi became warriors as well as monks.
As their reputation for mystical insight and knowledge grew, and their organization grew tighter, many of the masters of the ascetic disciplines began to be appointed to high spiritual positions in the court hierarchy. Monks and temples began to gain political influence. By the Nanboku-cho Period, in the 13th and 14th centuries, the yamabushi had formed organized cohorts called konsha, and these konsha, along with sohei and other monks began to take direction from the central temples of their sects. They assisted Emperor Go-Daigo in his attempts to overthrow the Kamakura shogunate, and proved their warrior skills to be up to the challenge of fighting professional samurai armies.
Several centuries later, in the Sengoku Period, yamabushi could be found among the advisors & armies of nearly every major contender for dominion over Japan. Some, led by Takeda Shingen, aided Oda Nobunaga against Uesugi Kenshin in 1568, while others, including the abbot Sessai Choro, advised Tokugawa Ieyasu. Many fought alongside their fellow monks, the Ikko-ikki, against Nobunaga, who eventually crushed them and put an end to the time of the warrior monks.They have since disappeared. Other Lin Qui traveled to Korea and continued their teachings and were named the sulsa warriors.
It is believed that they were monks who practiced their ways and customs. the Lin Qui lived secretly in caves, huts in nearby forests for centuries. Over the years the system masters refind the art and housed it as a family system. You here stories of the last shr lin passing away in the 1970s This isn't true. Lin Qui is still taught to day only to a select few. The Head Shr Lin of the Foshin System renamed the system to Black Dragon Fist in 1965 the head shr lin was Shi LI Wei (Gook Guon Lui) moved to the United States in 1957 and lived in New York, NY. until 1970 His daughter married and the family moved to East Ridge, Tenn where he stayed until his death. shr Lin found two main disciples Mr. Steve Thompson and Mr. Lee Vineyard. Mr. Vineyard is the highest rank student and Head of the Foshin Lin Kuei (Qui) System.[edit] Ridiculous fanboy fantasy
None of this information on the "Lin Kuei" presents any sort of reference. After doing a search myself all over the web, I've found absolutely ZERO sources of information regarding the "Lin Kuei" info found here other than what is copied from this wiki.
It should be deleted immediately. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.65.186.196 (talk) 23:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC).