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Likud was initially described in US as a coalition of parties rather than a party. Is that

• a mistake,
• something that needs to be mentioned here with how and when it changed, or
• still true? --Jerzy

The Likud began as a merging of the Herut party and other Israeli opposition parties. That apparantly is already present.(12/1/03)

 -Leumi

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Contents 1 Text Removed for Clarification 2 Ideology 3 New section removed 3.1 Future Of Likud 4 Overcoverage of recent issues with too little on history

[edit] Text Removed for Clarification

(I've probably made some misinterpretations in my copyedit of the material i didn't move here; originating editor, please critique.)

The clause

and the party's center passed a rule in the Likud's center rejecting to Palestinian state.

adds nothing to the article because it is incomprehensible, and i have moved it here in hopes it can be worked on. Perhaps clarifying

• what party (Likud, no? But if so, why is Likud mentioned explicitly later in the clause?),
• what is meant by "center", and
• whether a "rule" is a regulation, a policy statement, an interpretation (i.e., a "ruling"), or something else

would help some editor who is a native speaker of English turn it into something usable.

I also moved the phrase

is a neo-Tachterist and extreme capitalist

here. "Extreme capitalist" is vaguer than the opinions reported in the next sentence. Those to whom "neo-Tachterist" has any meaning must be rare, as no reference appears in a Google search; if it's important to the point of the editor who introduced it here, we need more info on it.

And the term

welfare services

is not clear (in context of unemployment benefits); are these government or private funds and/or agencies?

(I have made no effort to ensure NPoV, seeing the copyedit as more pressing.) --Jerzy 05:17, 2003 Dec 1 (UTC)

A rough translation from the Hebrew Wikipedia: The Likud’s center is the party superior institution, which is authorized to determine in every affaire of the party. In its initial gathering this institution called the Likud’s party convention, but after is initial gathering the convention became the center until the next elections to the party’s convention. The center has around 5,000 delegates. The majority of delegates are elected in local elections and some delegates are center delegate because of their position.

[edit] Ideology

I do not believe that Likud today can be considered as following the priciples of Revisionist Zionism. Also, I do not think Zionism (or any type of it) should appear in the infobox since most Israeli parties claim to follow some form of Zionism anyway, and also since Zionism is not a universal political ideology (like Neoliberalism, Conservatism, Social Democracy etc.) and may be confusing without explination and may be more fitting in the article itself but not in the infobox. Thus, I am thinking of deleting this label from the party's infobox, is this okay? Does anybody disagree?Tal :) 19:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Agree with above. It'll be like adding Islamic fundamentalism to Fatah. Let the reader read the article and make his own conclusions. Psychomelodic (people think (people think Baba Ram Dass ^{write your own!}) ^edit) 13:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Removed. Psychomelodic (people think (people think Baba Ram Dass ^{write your own!}) ^edit) 14:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New section removed

The following new section was just added and I just deleted it (I have changed the level of the heading so it stays in this section of the talk page):

[edit] Future Of Likud

The Likud is purported to Bounce back to the forefront of the Israeli counsciousness due to the disillusion with Kadima on the war in Lebanon and its goals. As well on February 1st 2006 the Central Committee relinquished control of selecting the Knesset list to the the "rank and file" members. This gives historically much control to the broad electorate on the entire gamut of who represents them and how they are represented. That will make that the Likud Knesset very concious of the constituency, in effect a people's party.

I have deleted this on the grounds that it is unsourced, original research, infringes on "WP is not a crystal ball," and secondarily, is not very well written, especially the first sentence. I suspect that someone, somewhere has written at least a semi-scholarly article on the future prospects of Likud (hopefully in English) which could be cited. Until that is located, I don't think this speculation belongs in the article, at least not in this form. (And that is not to mention the logical difficulty of saying that a change in nominating procedures made before (and presumably used in) the last election, in which Likud was routed, will help them in future elections if it didn't help them in the last election.) 6SJ7 16:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overcoverage of recent issues with too little on history

There is far too little historical info here. Could someone add some more? Joseph Sanderson 17:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Right now the article states opinions as facts. It states as fact that Likud lost elections because they moved to the center. It also gives states as fact the super stupid opinion that Likud was center-left during the last elections.