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Contents 1 Merge from Lik-sang.com 2 term 3 NPOV 4 Renchi 5 Engrish 6 Why they sued?? 7 Penny Arcade

[edit] Merge from Lik-sang.com

About the merger of articles, i think it would be the best, since they both state facts about the same company. NeOak 02:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm for merging Lik-sang.com with this page, but how do we do that? --KaiSeun 16:43, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

The merge is complete. I also did some light editing using material from both articles. However, if someone could elaborate on why Lik Sang is well known, please do so. KaiSeun 17:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] term

not sure if Lik-Sang is really used in geek language or whether that whole text is only PR blurb (clem 20:45, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC))

• indeed Lik Sang is very well known, especially among gamers. I'm not sure if its use as different parts of speech is so notable to be included in an encyclopedia article, so I shortened it to a single sentence. Brighterorange 14:24, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

yeah, I'm a happy customer of lik-sang too, but I never saw someone 'lik-sang' something ... I do 'google' for stuff, tho :-) (clem 18:03, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC))

I've removed the mentioning of geeks and changed "gamers" to "console gamers". This can hardly be said to be widely known outside that specific subgroup (although it is a big subgroup). As a verb it has not entered common geek vocabulary. — Ashmodai ^{(talk · contribs)} 08:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

When editing this page, please be careful to distinguish between Lik-Sang and Sony's claims and actual facts. A lot of gamer websites don't do this, complicating keeping this article NPOV. I've just fixed a lot of sentences that repeated Lik-Sang's claims without framing them as such. --Dtcdthingy 21:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renchi

I've removed a link to a page which is not much more than an advertisment for a lesser known site and as such isn't relevant. Stx 11:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Engrish

Could someone correct the 'sentence' "Sony has not taken the same legal action against any other countries that import/export there products only action with the UK (EU), so far USA and Japan are still free to import/export Sony games and hardware, no action has been taken against any other region." as it makes no actual sense. I tried and failed to work out what the hell it means =P—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 148.197.135.73 (talk • contribs).

Actually, it makes perfect sense. MAybe it's just too many words or too complicated a concept for you :P Sony's problem with liksang is their exportation of consoles from one country to another. There are issues like video timing and voltage to deal with. Most of the world uses PAL video signals where US, Canada, Mexico and Japan all use NTSC. Some countries use 120volts and some use 240volts. You can break a lot by using something that wasn't made for you country or a country with the same standards. So Sony claims their entire problem was with these incompatibilities. Yet, they are not filing suit against any other console export companies, just LikSang. Inotherwords, LikSang is being singled out for some odd, undisclosed reason and Sony is trying to hide behind "consumer safety" as their excuse. And in the future, please sign your posts 24.254.163.104 20:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)Lucy

I did it for them. ;) Dreaded Walrus 00:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I think I can more or less understand what is meant, but maybe something like: “Sony has not taken similar legal action in any other country that import or export their products, except the UK.” would be less wordy and less confusing. Although this sentence would still need to be restructured, the point is, if we mean any other country (except the UK) is free to import/export, then we don't need to say “USA and Japan are still free” because it is just a repetition. Similarly, if we say Sony has not taken any legal action in the other countries, we don't repeat the same thing by saying “no action has been taken against any other region”. As another note, Sony's action is not against a country, but against a company in the country. Gyopi 00:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I found it confusing at first, too, mainly because I don't think phonetically. I'm going to correct (replace) the word "there" with "their." Also, the sentence is a run-on. It could be rewritten as the following: "Sony has not taken the same legal action against any other countries that import/export their products, only action with the UK (EU). So far USA and Japan are still free to import/export Sony games and hardware; no action has been taken against any other region."--Trakon 13:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why they sued??

Why did sony sue them?? RealG187 17:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Importing Sony consoles to Europe, if I remember.

They were bought directly from Sony, but they were being sold much cheaper than Sony would charge months later when the console was finally released over here.

After this Lik Sang case, other importers have since stopped importing Sony consoles, and first-party PlayStation 2 and PSP games.

It's a shame, really, as Sony loves to rip off us here in Europe. --Dreaded Walrus 21:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

That may be the true reason. On the other hand, parallel importing is basically legal (unless otherwise specifically stated), even could be encouraged, for free trade, free competition, for consumers. So... what was alleged was actually "infringement... of the claimants' registered designs, registered trade marks and copyrights". Apparently they also argued that these products were meant to be "FOR SALE AND USE IN JAPAN ONLY" (that's what is written on the box), but just because they meant doesn't automatically give them any rights. The true question is, could Sony have overcome the First-sale doctrine (aka exhaustion of rights)...? With good lawyers, it is more than likely that Lik Sang could have disproved (at least some of) their arguments; though in reality the defendant didn't show up, and just lost by default. Gyopi 01:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Lik Sang gone out of business, makes me sad :(.

[edit] Penny Arcade

Is this really necessary? Lik Sang was primarily in the business of video games, so it's obviously going to be brought up in video game related culture.

Further, if Wikipedia would like to keep this reference, because it is related to this topic, should there be a link at Apple Computer to VG Cats? Perhaps a reference from GameStop to Ctrl-Alt-Delete?

I'd recommend removing the last paragraph from the article. Mborrelli 14:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I tend to disagree. There are many game companies, but this doesn't mean they are being brought up in the game related culture. The paragraph adds a lot of value to the article by giving an impression of the popularity, which couldn't be understood otherwise. For instance, many people know The Pirate Bay because of their legal page they publish. This is a unique thing that only they have, and they are famous for it. Why would you not include it into their article? Hence, leave it as it is and let readers understand by themselves how important or not important they were to the gaming community. 71.111.103.217 19:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)