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Outline: The article has been lengthed significantly since October, and information about its appearances in Liberty City Stories, Advance and San Andreas have been added and deemed complete. Information about Liberty City's transportation system in GTA III is complete. However, the Grand Theft Auto section may not. The content's wording and tone is still considered unsatisfactory and may require experienced writers to look into and revise. A peer review is also considered. has been requested and archived. The article contains old additions about locations in and around New York City that may have inspired the locations in the Grand Theft Auto III rendition of Liberty City; these contents require rewriting and verification. The current size of the article is far above the recommended size (46KB from 32KB). Consider omission of information that are too specific or are not relevant to the context of the article. To do: Add map of Grand Theft Auto III Liberty City. Currently, a radar mod has a detailed and colored map that would be the most suitable candidate. However, permission may be required from the author; the image is copyrighted (2002).Wikipedia no longer allows copyright images, regardless; still suggested author to release image to public domain, and currently awaiting response. Considering use of original in-game map if author wishes not to do so. Task completed - With no response from the author, a stock map from GTA III is uploaded under fair use. Add map of Grand Theft Auto Liberty City. The map from official website should be sufficient, but the image's copyright status is unknown; improved versions are also welcomed. Task complete - Map created by several programs was included. Consider addition of at least one Liberty City Stories screenshot, featuring both Fort Staunton and the Callahan Bridge, or the Portland-Staunton ferries. List differences of Liberty City Stories gang territories. Contents added - but may still requires knowledgeable editor to correct any mistakes. List the districts of Liberty City in Grand Theft Auto. Contents added - but may still requires knowledgeable editor to correct any mistakes.

What about Liberty City is distinctly New York-ish? Most American cities have an industrial district, a downtown district, and suburbs -- I never thought of Liberty City as being a video game representation of NYC. If anything, Liberty isn't nearly as dense as the real-life NYC. 67.163.245.142 02:18, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• I've never played the game, but come on... Staunton Island?--Pharos 06:24, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• I agree with the fact that Liberty City is a very loose representation of NYC but some of the names of the districts however geographically and cronologically jumbled up they may be, the presence of bridges and subway stations, a Holland Tunnel and Central Park equivalent indicate that Rockstar intended this to be a representation of NYC. --GatesPlusPlus 18:23, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
• In my opinion, and considering the requisites this game had to match, Liberty City IS in fact the counterpart of NYC. Look at Portland from Staunton Island, that's NY.
• In the original GTA, Liberty City was shown taking up NY's place on the world map, just as Vice City took up Miami and San Andreas took up L.A. Its symbol was a flaming torch, a reference to the Statue of Liberty. --82.27.201.86 15:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Liberty City Gorillas 2 El station names 3 Shoreside 4 Screenshots 5 Comment added by Edsanville at 23:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC) 6 Shoreside Vale is base off Staten Island and i can prove it! 7 9/11 comparison 8 Retcons

[edit] Liberty City Gorillas

A search on the term using Google only produces one link: an IGN interview, circa October 2001 that mentions the American football team, among other city affairs. However, I doubt the credibility of this source, as it doesn't mention where this information came from (only "Liberty Tree" and "a discreet employee of the Mayor"). The LC Gorillas passage will be removed until a verifiable source is given. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 12:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] El station names

Could someone provide a source of the elevated train station names? I don't recall finding them either the manual, websites or game. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 09:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC) ╫

In LCS, when you use the El Train, it says in the bottom corner the name of the station that you're at. Gold Stur 00:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shoreside

Shoreside Vale is the only area in the GTA world to _not_ be an island. Isn't this worth mentioning?

The Shoreside Vale section has mentioned this:

Shoreside Vale is a hilly area of the city, located on the west-most side of Liberty City, and is the only part of the city located on the mainland, with the entire area attached to a large body of land that creeps towards the north of Portland Island.

╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 12:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ╫

I know but its the only piece of land in the know GTA universe that isnt an island, not just in Liberty. THis seems noticable enough to mention.

I disagree. Cities in both Grand Theft Auto and Grand Theft Auto 2 are implied to be partially located on a larger body of land (in the manner of GTA III's Liberty City) and are not made out of a set of solitary islands. Parts of these cities' boundaries are also on land, not water. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 16:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Screenshots

How do I make screenshots from the game without having the HUD and the radar in the corners? Is there a mode to download from a website? If it so, please send in :) Thanks

go to options and turn off hud mode —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Metal moe (talk • contribs).

This option is not supported in GTA games before Vice City. These particular screenshots were made possible by aiming using an M-16 (allowing me to view an area in first-person), replaying the scene (removing all HUD elements (except a blinking "Replay" text)), and print-screening the replays where the M-16 aiming is performed. It's possible to do the same for the PC versions of Vice City and San Andreas (although the existance of a camera in the latter makes the job of taking first-person screenshots so much easier). ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 08:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Comment added by Edsanville at 23:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

In the first list of city neighborhoods, I think somebody has confused east and west, judging by the "spoof names." Ed Sanville 23:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shoreside Vale is base off Staten Island and i can prove it!

1. Both Staten Island and Shoreside Vale have Airports. 2. Both Staten Island and Shoreside Vale have Ghettos which Witchata Gardens is simular to Ghetto areas of Staten Island. 3. Both Staten Island and Shoreside Vale have lots of Un-Used Land.

Not to be mean, but I'm sure lots of cities have "unused land." I'll admit, it's likely, though. Try to find a source and add it, if all possible. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit me § Contributions} ♣ 20:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 9/11 comparison

This is way, way too speculative to put into the encyclopedia. Without reliable, verifiable sources, it's really just the opinion of a few editors, which is not appropriate to include. I'm going to continue to revert it unless I see sources and there emerges a strong consensus to include it. Croctotheface 08:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

-Just replay the damn mission, Its like the 9/11 of GTA, So I will continue to reversion until i get my way which i have never got. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sean mc sean (talk • contribs).

Please read WP:V. Wikipedia articles need to have reliable, verifiable sources. If there is a dispute, such as this one, the burden is on the person who wants to include something to source it rather than on the person who does not want to include it. Also, your promise to edit war is not exactly within the spirit of Wikipedia. Croctotheface 00:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

-Both you and tutu can fuck off. I'm keepin' it, You 2 assholes have deleated everything that i have edit from JAZZ to pay 'n save to napoleon dynamite! I won't let you 2 assholes win this time. Block me if you will but i will be back. Sean mc Sean 00:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Just to set the record straight, I do not necessarily endorse Sean mc sean's edit when I fail to remove this 9/11 claim. The passage is very much original research due to its lack of verification, and was even initially suggesting that Rockstar North had may actually base the bombing on 9/11 (which was reworded). I will not be responsible for defending the inclusion of this passage. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 12:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Retcons

Retroactive continuity denotes, as the article says, "deliberately changing previously established facts in a work of serial fiction". In other words, changing established contunity retroactively. If certain issues have not been explained (such as why there are no motorcycles in LC), but then a later release explains them, that's not really a retcon. If it were, it would be the case that introducing any new fact about a fictional history is retroactive coninuity, rather than just good suspenseful writing. I don't see evidence that GTA3 presented or explained anything one way only to have LCS contradict that explanation and replace it retroactively with something else. As such, the term retcon does not apply. Croctotheface 20:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

This justification only explains half of the meaning. "Retcon" denotes both the addition "of new information to 'historical' material" or deliberate modification of "previously established facts in a work of serial fiction". While all info on GTA III prequels are additions to an existing continuity, whether or not it conflicts with information given by GTA III, it's not necessary that any new information must alter original canon to be considered retcon. The article also regards such additions as retcon. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 12:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC) ╫

If one interprets the first part of the definition as you say, then every single TV episode that makes any reference events prior to the current episode is engaging in a retcon. In this case, the business about why there are no motorcycles does not _add_ new information to historical material, it establishes a history where one did not previously exist. Croctotheface 14:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Point taken, perhaps the term is not exactly what I'm intepreting as. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 17:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC) ╫