Talk:Liberals for Forests

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Contents 1 Page move 1.1 Voting 1.2 Discussion 1.3 Merger issues 1.4 Result

[edit] Page move

I can't find the discussion regarding the page move, so I'll just kick in here.

• I've reopened this move proposal as I just found this article and it seems to me that the previous vote was clouded by a merge issue.-- Ian ≡ talk 16:15, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Voting

• Support Note that merging will have to take place. The second article is more detailed (and yes, authored by me.) - matturn 16:17, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry, but it's also flagrantly wrong. I made a serious effort to merge this, and found so many factual errors that I gave up. Ambi 23:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose the move to a lower-case naming.

1. Wikipedia can't have a page title in all lower-case; it's a technical limitation. The first letter is always capitalized.
2. I'm not familiar with this organization or its literature, but I would say that the all lower-cased name is a styling issue; a treatment created by a graphic designer, and perpetuated in a style guide for the people writing brochures and press releases. But when marketing style guides don't override the rules of English orthography, a proper noun still has major words capitalized: Liberals for Forests.

The material from Liberals for forests should be merged into this article, Liberals for Forests. —Michael Z. 2005-04-17 16:54 Z

• Support as correct name is liberals for forests. See [1] and [2]. -- Ian ≡ talk 04:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose. It's hardly ever referred to with the lowercase name - maybe on the ballot paper, but never in the media. Use common names. Ambi 23:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Just because the media has largely decided on a certain form doesn't make it correct. I think the AEC and WAEC evidence is more than enough. I've read somewhere that the lowercase is used to increase percieved separateness from the Liberal Party of Australia. matturn 08:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Matturn, since you own the entire edit history for "liberals for forests", we can probably get around merging the histories. Just incorporate or replace the text of that article into this one, or replacing this one, and everybody has credit.

Then we'll still have to vote on moving from this name to that name, since the move will require an admin (because the page liberals for forests has a history).

This will simplify the task for an admin, and will leave us in a situation with one article, instead of two. —Michael Z. 2005-04-17 19:03 Z

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Article names can't begin with a lowercase letter (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions). I suggest merging the articles at Liberals for forests, adding {{wrongtitle|liberals for forests}} at the beginning of the article, and making Liberals for Forests redirect to Liberals for forests. —tregoweth 01:44, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merger issues

I just came along to do the merge but found a few issues:

• Which is correct:
  • Liberals for forests: [[is not connected to either the Liberal Party
  • Liberals for Forests: Liberals for Forests is an Australian political minor party, an offshoot of the Liberal Party of Australia.
• Should {{Politics of Australia}} be included when the party itself is not listed?

violet/riga (t) 21:59, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm genuinely not sure which of those leads is right, but please don't merge the lowercase one into this one unless you're prepared to do some serious fact-checking. I tried quite hard to merge the lowercase article when I found it, but I found so many factual errors that I gave up in frustration. Ambi 23:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

IIRC I had copious links to various reputable newspaper articles supporting everything I'd put in the article. Unlike false statements like lff is an offshoot of the Liberal Party which somehow has managed to remain, and unsourced at that. matturn 08:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Result

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved.

I've contacted a few editors involved here and I guess it's going to remain a stalemate...

Also, to propose a merger you should probably use Wikipedia:Proposed mergers.

WhiteNight ^{T | @ | C} 03:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)