Talk:Liar's dice
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[edit] Clarification of a sentence
What does "One player begins bidding, picking a number 2 through 6. He then tenders a number which he guesses to be equal to or less than the cardinality of the set of dice displaying this number on their top surface." mean? I think it means "One player bids a number of dice (1 to 5) having a particular value (2 to 6), eg 4 threes." -- SGBailey 10:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
- One can bid any amount of dice with the face values of 2 through 6 and is stated as "three 4s" to claim that there are at least three dice with a face value of 4. Since a 1 is considered wild it is worth more when bidding. Each round of bidding must increase either the face value or the amount of dice bid. Bidding three 4s would successfully raise a bid of three 3s because the face value has increased. Bidding four 2s would also raise a bid from three 3s because the amount being bid has increased.
- A 1, due to it being wild, is worth twice as much as a face value between 2 through 6. This is mentioned underneath the variants section. Examples of how it affects bidding would be that a bid of two 1s would top a bid of four 6s while a bid of five 2s would top both two 1s and four 6s.
- My notation for labeling bids is arbitrary. I find that listing the number for face value makes it easier to visualize the bid, but that is personal preference. I would encourage an update to clarify the confusing parts of the current edit. If the above paragraphs satisfy the ether, they may be inserted in an edit. MrHen
[edit] Mäxchen or Mädchen?
I'm wondering if perhaps the name of the "Mexican"-like game in question might not be "Mädchen", rather than "Mäxchen"? I mention it because a) the latter is not only extremely awkward, pronunciation-wise, in German, but is also not a word; b) the former is a very common word indeed (means "young lady" or, more literally, "maiden"--and in fact sounds very much like that English word) and c) the two letters sit close to each other on the keyboard. I changed the article, but then changed it back, since I'm really not sure. Buck 09:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
No, it's "Mäxchen", or "Mäx" if you ask an Austrian. "Mäxchen" is a common, if dated, diminutive of the personal name, Max(imilian). As the name of the game - and the highest possible dice result in the game - it's usually believed to derive from "maximum", though, which would sort of answer the question which came first ("Mäxchen" or "Mexican"), too. Lewis
[edit] The "Rules (Mexican)" section is a mess
This section needs a rewrite very badly, for several reaons. I'm leaving this post as a heads-up to whoever wrote it, so that when I rewrite it (early next week) it won't look like I'm destroying their baby without fair warning. Don't worry: I'm not planning to change any rules or anything like that, but the tone and the prose in general are far from encyclopedic, and needs adjustment. Also, it seems to me that this game is sufficiently distinct from ordinary Liar's Dice that it might warrant its own page, but that can probably wait. Buck 09:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Spiel des Jahres?
This article is in the "Spiel des Jahres winners" category, but I can find no mention - here or elsewhere - of when it won.
Since "Spiel des Jahres" is generally awarded to new, designed games, I am sceptical that it would elegible for the award.
--Parsingphase 20:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Nonetheless, it won - in 1993, the award was won by "Bluff" [1] which was a commercial verion of Liar's Dice [2]. Percy Snoodle 09:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- Looking at an old Hoyle, the "Liar Dice" described is a two handed game where each player describes his own five dice only, with no wild dice, thus the maximum bid is five sixes. The Spiel des Jahres winner "Bluff" has several innovations over that basic game: sixes are wild and replaced by stars; bidding predicts the total number of dice of a kind of all players (up to six); bidding goes along a board, a one star bid (not receiving any wild card benefit) being between one and two of a kind, and similarly throughout the bidding sequence; players lose a die or dice when they call incorrectly or are called and their prediction is wrong; the game continues until only one player has any dice, a rare case of elimination in a German game. This game was sold in the US as "Call my Bluff", and IIRC Milton Bradley did a similar version, perhaps licensed, called Liar's Dice, using conventional dice (no star).
Bluff really deserves its own entry as a Spiel des Jahres winner. I cannot now write that article, not having the game myself.
[edit] Wilds
The current article has wilds listed underneath the variations section but in the listing of how to bid it assumes that only values 2 through 6 listed as valid bids. The version I learned came shipped in a box from a gaming store and had rules for the bidding with wilds variation. Are there variations where bidding on wilds is not allowed? Are these variations more common? MrHen
[edit] Article needs a rewrite
This article reads poorly, and is very disorganized. I'd suggest taking the article down for a total rewrite. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.195.12.6 (talk) 02:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Pirate's Dice browser game
I've got a few friends who love Pirate's Dice as much as I do (a lot), but I don't see them in person to play very often. I had the idea for a multiplayer Pirate's Dice game which we could play over the Internet, and only recently got around to it. The game is available here --tj9991 05:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
