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[edit] US/Metric on asteroid escape velocities

The Ceres value was taken to four places. We just don't know it that well. The same applies to the other US values that were added, and to the metric values, in fact. I removed the other US values, which were taken to three places. The usage of US units as opposed to metric is another matter. Michaelbusch 18:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I won't revert for now, but I don't think it was necessary to remove all of the US units, as you did at Ceres (dwarf planet). My point (in agreeing with Michael's removal of the escape velocity converison) was that it doesn't make sense to have one conversion at Ceres, while the other "major" bodies (planets and dwarf planets) do not have the same conversion. If someone wants to do all of them at once, that would be a different matter. As it is right now, the removal of the US units from Ceres compunds the problem in that Ceres is now even more out of sync with the other infoboxes. --Ckatzchatspy 18:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Case in point - the addition of that material by User:Toddles29 recently. It was done across all of the bodies at the same time for consistency. --Ckatzchatspy 18:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Permission to use Image:Flag of Ash Sharqiyah.svg

Hi Osgoodelawyer,

Would you mind giving your permission to release Image:Flag of Ash Sharqiyah.svg under the GPL? I would like to use it in the open source game Freeciv that is released under this license. Thanks in advance! --Himasaram 23:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:FotGFotter.jpg)

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[edit] Pork pie hat

Sorry, yes, it would have made sense to contact you - I tend to assume that people who have made significant contributions to an article will have it on their watchlist so it would be as good to leave a note there.

The hat just doesn't look, to me (or to the anonymous IP who left an earlier talk page note on the subject), like the pork pie hats in images on the web (like the one linked to from the page). The article says "it is similar to a trilby or a fedora, but with a flat top". It could just be a misleading angle, but the hat pictured appears to have a rounded top, like a bowler, not a flat top. Is this the case? If not, perhaps another image could be taken which made this clearer, as it seems I'm not the only person confused. TSP 23:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HanzoHattori

This discussion on WP:AN/I appears to have been the catalyst for the block. I disagree with not telling him specifically what the violations were (especially since some of them in the discussion were a few weeks ago). There may be better recent examples, but I haven't looked through his contribs. Leebo86 18:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I have laid out the details on this users page, I agree it is important to explain your reasoning to the blocked user. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 18:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


I left a comment on AN/I about it. [1]. As I mentioned there, I completely forgot that you were involved in mentoring/mediating with Hanzo, if I had remembered, I'd have definitely gotten with you first beforehand. As for the lack of information to hanzo, I did mention it was personal attacks, and I was under the impression he was aware of the AN/I thread. SWATJester On Belay! 21:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

You seemed to be unofficially looking after him last time I ran across the two of you. Mentoring/tutoring/mediating, call it whatever you want. SWATJester On Belay! 21:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cascadia

Hi Lexicon,

I believe you've made an error with your recent edit to Cascadia: (remove again. it's a name with "cascadia" in it, and would never be searched for through "cascadia" (the reason for disambiguation pages))

Let me explain. If a user quickly types "cascadia" into the search box at left (expecting to find the subduction zone, among other things) and hits return, then they go to the dab page and (now) find no reference to what they were looking for. Even if they click "search" instead of hitting return, the search results have the dab page first and strangely, Cascadia subduction zone is nowhere to be found.

"Cascadia subduction zone" is one of the most common uses of the term "Cascadia". I thought the purpose of dab pages is to help users find the info they're looking for. Your recent edit undermines that purpose and complicates a user's search for the desired info.

By the way, if you look in Talk:Cascadia, one of the major reason for creating this dab page was to disambiguate terms including "Cascadia subduction zone".

I know you're an admin, but I hope you'll agree that my reasoning is sound and please revert your change. Thanks. --Seattle Skier 22:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

You said in your reply, "If someone wants to find an article on the Cascadian subduction zone, it is very unlikely that they will use "Cascadia" as a search term". First of all, it's the Cascadia subduction zone, not Cascadian. And second of all, my example of searching was a real one! I know of at least one WP user who did actually use that term and end up on the Cascadia page, then added what he thought was an appropriate link to the subduction zone (which you deleted). The #1, primary usage of "Cascadia" is in reference to the subduction zone, so it really has to be listed there. You mentioned America, Patagonia, etc. Let's visit the page America, and you'll see that the second entry is "United States of America". By the reasoning you are applying to Cascadia, we should also delete USA from the America page, because anyone wanting to find the USA article would always type in "USA" or "United States" or even all four words in the full name. But clearly, it would be foolish to delete that entry.
I have no desire to fight an edit war. I think it is very clear that the encyclopedia is better served by having "Cascadia subduction zone" listed on the "Cascadia" page, just as it is better with "United States of America" listed on the "America" page. That is the only reason that matters. If WP is improved and easier to use, that's a good thing.
Your adminship is automatically a factor in this (even if you think it shouldn't be), because if I revert your change, it is more likely that the next editor to look at the page history (especially an admin on RC patrol) will redelete my change. They are more likely to think that you must know better than me, and that I must be repeating my newbie "error" twice (even if I explain myself well in the edit summary, as I always do). That's why I mentioned adminship and that's why I asked you to revert the deletion instead of doing it myself. Thanks. --Seattle Skier 05:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I see that I have other supporters in this . . . someone has put back several geology terms. Lexicon, after seeing the earlier mess that you cleaned up, I do have more appreciation for your position. However, we clearly travel in different spheres. You think that the Cascadia (independence movement) is an important use of the term, while I dismiss it as a loony fringe movement (I've heard of it, for sure, but paid no heed). It's just like the State of Jefferson folks or people who want to split WA or OR down the middle, not to be taken too seriously and preferably ignored. In contrast, important geological terms like the CSZ have appeared in thousands of published scientific papers, along with scores of books. They certainly merit inclusion on a dab page which lists important uses of the term "Cascadia".
You also deleted the book Cascadia: the Geologic Evolution of the Pacific Northwest and questioned its notability. In response, this book was published in 1972, the year of my birth, and never released in a newer edition. Yet I checked it out several times from the university library about 5 years ago, after seeing it referenced in so many other things I was reading. That's a highly influential and notable book, a geology book which is still accurate and worth reading 3 decades after publication. OCLC WorldCat shows that the book is still found in 490 library systems throughout the world, further strong evidence of notability and staying power (i.e. it hasn't been disposed of in ex-lib book sales). The book is probably notable enough to deserve a WP article of its own, if anyone cared to write one. --Seattle Skier 18:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anishinaabemowin language Userbox

Aaniin, with great effort from User:Miskwito, we now have the oj series of Anishinaabemowin language userboxes. On the WP:IPNA/Nish page, we have a matrix of the possible categories for the oj series and the major dialect groupings. You can now add to your Userpage one of the oj userboxes that are available or you can help create a userbox for the dialect of your interest. Please see Wikipedia_talk:Babel#Ojibwe_language_userboxes for the full discussion. Miigwech. CJLippert 23:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shoppers World Brampton

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shoppers_World%2C_Brampton&diff=99391249&oldid=99384761

Don't delete information. If indeed it only said "Shoppers World was built on a field", then it would be okay to delete it. But the former owner of the land and how it was created to sell houses is critical to its early history. -- Zanimum 17:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] chandra=

Like I say, I love it when people call me a liar. It allows me to hate humans all the more.

Since the whole thing is irrelevant to the purpose of the page, i.e., whether Badali is an asshole and deserves to be banned, I left out material irrelevant to the issue being discussed, such as her statement that she has a previous request earlier that day. But as you can see, what I posted is purely what she said, and the meaning is unchanged. I altered nary a word:

From : Kathy Lestition <kathy@head.cfa.harvard.edu>
Sent : Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:04 PM
To : fayekanegallery@hotmail.com
CC : kathy@head.cfa.harvard.edu

Dear Faye Kane,

We have so far been unable to come up with the perfect wording for a somewhat complex situation. I think it's probably time to take another crack at it.

Our ability to grant permissions extends only to images taken with telescopes or satellites funded by NASA, or images, illustrations or animations funded by a NASA program. Unfortunately, since these can come from a number of sources which do not necessarily follow the same protocol for credits, and with whom people seeking these permissions are not necessarily familiar, it is not always clear to requesters which images are considered in this public domain. We also have been granted permission by non-NASA funded programs and organizations to use their material for comparative purposes. We do not have authority to grant permission for re-use of these images, we are granted our own informational use only.

Again, even with the clearest of credits ( I just dealt with someone who insists that we own an image that is clearly credited to another organization), people are often confused. And it's not always that simple. A composite image of an object may consist of a Chandra image (public domain) overlayed with an image from ESA or a ground-based telescope (not public domain).

So, we have come up with a request form that requires the url or name of the image. That way, we can look at the actual image being requested and either confirm the permission, or tell the requester to which organization they have to go to get permission. It seemed simpler that way, rather than trading several e-mails trying to explain. People and organizations have been gracious in granting us permission to post materials that we do not own, so we try to be very scrupulous in sending requests for permission back to those same organizations.

I agree with you that our instructions could be worded more clearly. I have lost track of the number of revisions, but I'll try again. Meanwhile, please do fill in the form so we can clarify your permission request.

Sincerely,
Kathleen Lestition
Outreach Coordinator
Chandra X-ray Center

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Kathleen Lestition
Education & Outreach Coordinator
Chandra X-Ray Center
Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory
60 Garden Street, MS 6
Cambridge, MA 02138 USA
kathy@head.cfa.harvard.edu
Phone: 617.495.7399
Fax: 617.495.7356

OKAY???

WILL YOU STOP DELETING NASA IMAGES NOW?? TechnoFaye 23:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chandra images

Abu badali, I have confirmed that Chandra images, if not tagged on the site as including information from ground-based telescopes which are not under the control of NASA, are, in fact, completely public domain for all purposes, including commercial, so long as NASA-endorsement is not implied through their use (which is actually a completely different issue from use). If you have listed Chandra images for deletion, could you let me know what they were, so I might look up and find out if they truly are fair use? Thanks. Lexicon (talk) 23:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I have never even seen a "Chandra image". On March 16, a user on dropped a kind message on my talk pages asking my opinion on either the images on a given link where usable on Wikipedia. I followed the link, scrolled the page down looking for a "terms of use" or "copyright notice" link on the page, and found one called Image use. The link, as you know by know, says the images from the site are available under permission for non-commercial use, which are two no-nos for Wikipedia. Then, I replied the user explaining him that unfortunately those images couldn't be used, and giving my reasons to believe so. The user kindly replied with a thanks, and that was the end of my part as an active character in this story.
After that, elsewhere, some personal attacks were fired and WP:AGF was apparently ignored.
It's good news that we now have a new source for PD images. Please, don't forget to take the good news to User:Scheibenzahl.
Let me know whenever I can be of any help. Best regards, --Abu badali (talk) 00:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


Lexicon: I take my hat off to you sir.

"Abu badali, I have confirmed that Chandra images, if not tagged on the site as including information from ground-based telescopes which are not under the control of NASA, are, in fact, completely public domain for all purposes. Lexicon".

It has been so long since I've seen anyone change his mind when presented with evidence that I had forgotten it was possible. Shane, you have my respect. TechnoFaye 02:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Since this talk seems to revolve around Chandra, I will post the mail that I received from them:
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:40:24 -0400
From: Kathy Lestition <xxxxxxx@head.cfa.harvard.edu>
To: srivasta@itt.uni-stuttgart.de
Subject: Request to use image of Chandrasekar

Dear Anupam Srivastava,

I am reply to your message, included below, regarding the use of the
images of Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar posted on the Chandra
X-ray Center public web site. If you return to the page you cite
below and look at the credit under each of the three images, you
will see that the copyright is in fact NOT held by us. Two of the images
are credited to the AIP, the last to the University of Chicago. When
we were constructing this site some 9 years ago, after our satellite was
named after Prof. Chandrasekhar, we found to our surprise that
none of the images of him were in the public domain. We were
able to obtain permission from the AIP and the University of
Chicago to display these three images on our our web site for
informational purposes, but we do not own the images and do
not have authority to give permission for re-use. Thus, you will
have to send your request to the AIP and to the University of
Chicago, the organizations which own the images.

Sincerely,
Kathleen Lestition
Outreach Coordinator
Chandra X-ray Center

After this message, I am trying to contact University of Chicago with no success. They don't list any way to contact them on there web page except phone number. Since I am in Germany, it is almost impossible for me to call them. Any one here to help?--Scheibenzahl 05:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC) PS: And thanks for User:Lexicon and User:Abu badali for noticing me :)--Scheibenzahl 05:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British Isles Terminology

Where does one position within your Diagram Euler the following: Donegal; North of the Island of Ireland; Six Counties of Ulster; Ulster posesses nine Counties, Northern Ireland:

Therefore Northern Ireland however the term may be ligitimate, it remains a False friend (Faux-amis) as does Ulster.

Northern Ireland may be ok for EIRE, Scots, Welsh, English but it is not at all clear to many others, who attempt to UNDERSTAND with limited patience.

For non Anglophones, Europeans, Asiatics, Latin Apmericans, one suggests that you clarify Geographically, and Politically, and any other ....lly in order to ease comprahension. Everyone attempts to read english... so try and aid those mal-informed, mis-informed, and don't knows.

This diagram cannot yet be considered pragmatically neutral and informative.

best regards,

Joan of Arc

[edit] My user page

Thanks for cleaning up. Michaelbusch 15:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Countrybox Template

It's only France so far. Some countires have been changing regimes so often that the template needs to be extended. Lord Vader 02:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)