Talk:Lev Yashin

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Contents 1 Black Panther? 2 Black Panther? 3 Russian Footballers Category 4 Weasel Words 5 Dubious Information

[edit] Black Panther?

I don't know about the rest of you, but i never hear about the "black panther", i always hear that everybody call him the "black spider". And considering the time and place of his play i think it's more probable in the soviet union to be named a spider than a panther. In other languages in wikipedia he is also named black spider.

[edit] Black Panther?

Lev Yashin was nicknamed Black Spider, The Black Panther was the former Portuguese striker Eusébio, this is normal because he was born in Mozambique, Africa

[edit] Russian Footballers Category

I am surprised someone removed him from this category. As Lev Yashin was an ethnic russian, and there were many soviet footballers from other ethnicitys, I think he should also be included in this category. User:Mistico

Please see Category talk:Russian people. Conscious 04:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

So, Category:Russian footballers is not about ethnicity (it's a subcategory of Category:Football (soccer) players by country). If it were so, we would have to exclude many footballers who play for Russia but are not ethnic Russians. Are you OK with removing the category? Conscious 04:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree, it´s not about ethnicity but nationality, so he should remain in this category too. Sorry if I didn`t express myself the better way. User:Mistico

I invite the Conscious user to go search some entries about other footballers, like Eusébio and Rui Jordão. They appear both as mozambican, angolan and portuguese, even having played before their countries independence. Like also an english footballer will also be a british footballer, even if England or Scotland aren´t independent. Since the USSR recognized the existence of several nationalities, I think as a respect for Lev Yashin true nationality, he also should be included in the Russian footballers category, because Russia always was is main country, even as a part of USSR. In fact, it could have been possible that every 15 soviet republics had their own National Team, like today it happens with the four members of United Kingdom. That´s why I think to show what was the first nationality from Yashin, and from other soviet footballers (ukrainian, belarrussian, armenian, etc), they should appear in both, and not only in the soviet footballers category. User:Mistico

I ask, once for all, to the User Conscious, to stop removing Lev Yashin from the Russian footabllers category. I already explain why it should remain there. User:Mistico

No, let me disagree again. The example with the UK is irrelevant, because they always had four teams and are the exception in the football-related matters. And it was quite impossible for USSR to have 15 national teams. At the time Yashin played football, there was no country named Russia on the map. Conscious 17:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

That´s because you never saw correctly a USSR map. They had the 15 Soviet Socialist Republics there. I don´t now if you ever heard of the Federated Socialist Sovietic Republic of Russia ? User:Mistico

Lev Yashin was a Russian footballer. He was born of Russian parents, lived and died in Moscow. Topic closed. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 09:33, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You guys are being rude, but your opinion is pretty clear. I would appreciate if you placed other Soviet footballers (or better yet, other Soviet people) in appropriate categories according to your criteria. Conscious 07:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weasel Words

The phrase "arguably the best ever in the sport" is unclear. Who is it argued by? I don't disagree with the viewpoint, I just think that to conform with WP:AWW and WP:NPOV it should be stated differently. Either say, give examples of football authorities who have argued this point or perhaps say that he was considered so impressive that FIFA named the Yashin award after him. Or say that he is the only goalkeeper to win European Footballer of the Year. The way its stated in the introduction isn't a neutral point of view. Crito2161 15:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious Information

Caps and goal figures in the article likely contain European cup/Domestic cup data in addition to Domestic League data (this is very certain based on this user's previous edits containing similar information [1]. Please correct this issue and leave a note here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alfmaster#Footballers.27_European_goals, to warn this person about putting improper information on Wikipedia. --Palffy 21:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I've looked for sources on his career stats, none seem to dispute that Lashin played 326 times in the USSR Championship, and 812 times in total, which would suggest that the 326 figure is the most accurate one we have for the infobox.  Slumgum T. C.   21:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC) PS: This is the best reference I can find.