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Any help in style, format/layout and the like will be appreciated. Any comments about the accuracy of the facts will be met with puzzlement!LessHeard vanU 22:27, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] While things were happening ...

... I replied on my Talk page. Hu 21:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Good chatting with you, and good luck with the Beatles project, a band that will last as long as Shakespeare has and will. Hu 22:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macca

Thanks for the comments about the Lead. I've cut it down a lot, so it doesn't make one go temporarily blind when reading it. Do you think the article could be nominated for an FA in the near future? (Sound of fingers, legs and arms being crossed :)) --andreasegde 14:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. It has undergone a major facelift (and plenty more than Zsa Zsa Gabor has had) so we think it is almost ready. Thanks anyway. --andreasegde 21:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

I haven't joined the Project as I don't really have time to make any major contributions towards the Project, and additionally I don't own any of the hard literature (ie. books) which are heavily needed with such a project. All I've done really is lend some advice on some Beatles articles, and that's it - Andreasdge does most of the work, him and Kingboyk. Also it's not for what spare time |I've got really, so committing my name to the Project feels like an insult towards the Project really. LuciferMorgan 00:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hello, Mark James Slater. My name is Andrew Edge, but you might know me as Andreasegde. I truly appreciate your comments, and I thank you. --andreasegde 20:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Give Macca a quick SPAG - it would be appreciated. --andreasegde 17:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Uhh.. changing "constantly" to "consistently" in the Jane Asher section was brilliant (as well as the other wonderful edits) and you had to deal with a vandal at the same time! Nice one. Me (you know who) --andreasegde 00:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Guess who's older than you? (Don't spread it about though, because I like the idea that some editors think I'm a young spraffer wot don't know his Ps from his Qs...) --212.241.67.98 12:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hiding behind an IP address does make it difficult... ;) LessHeard vanU 13:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jahbulon

I saw you comment on the article and started a poll on the talk page, as well as opened 2 RfCs on it. I think a couple of editors are simply holding the article hostage with the tag to discredit it. If so, they'll clearly be outnumbered and the tag could then easily be removed. —Hanuman Das 04:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Steve Andino

You placed a cleanup tag on the above article. I have now wikified (as far as possible, it needs references/citations) said article, and if you want to review it and remove (or replace with wikify template) the tag then please do. Cheers.LessHeard vanU 01:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for tidying it up. Cheers, Cmdrjameson 15:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 8, December 2006

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 008 – December 2006
Issue of the Month

Wikipedia's standards are improving all the time, with the result that many articles in The Beatles Wikiproject are being nominated for review of their FA and GA status - and many are losing that accolade. It is difficult, with such a large number of articles and the ease with which editors may make changes which are detrimental, to maintain the standard of articles, let alone improve them. As ever, members efforts are both appreciated and needed to keep the Project on course.

Beatles News
  • A Beatles compilation called "Love", featuring tracks remastered by George Martin (with his son Giles), has been released and has made number 1 in Canada.
  • The impending divorce between Paul McCartney and the former Heather Mills continues to make the pages in the tabloid press in the UK.
Project News
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Paul McCartney (see above and below).
Member News
From the Editors

If one is to be mercenary about the subject, it should be noted that Paul McCartney is going to be more noteworthy than usual in the near future as his divorce case comes to court. In that case it is great to note that a small group of Project Members (plus another individual who does not feel compelled to register himself despite important contributions) have worked very hard, and in an atmosphere of good humour, to take the McCartney piece to a succesful Good Article nomination. Perhaps this is the method to use for future articles, a small dedicated team concentrating on one subject at a time. Of course, all members are invited to join any existing group or even go about forming their own. Please note any such action in the Project Log.

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[edit] Macca, again

We need your vote on Macca's talk page about which section to fork. (1,000 words less and we have it in the bag...) --andreasegde 05:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibreak

Thanks for the kind words. I may take a break and come back in a little while after Christmas as I am finding it increasingly difficult to justify my wikitime what with work commitments. As far as the project goes I think it really needs someone to take charge and spell out exactly what needs to be done. At the moment the only success seems to have been the placing of the project template on relevent discussion pages by anonomous users, which i suspect has more to do with territorial marking than a genuine interest to help the project. Anyway, have a good Christmas. Will hopefully be back in the new year Mammal4 10:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jahbulon

No need for apology - it was a good idea to post that information (I've struck through my comment there on the talk page about not adding it back). I was trying to make the point to those trying to delete the article, that they are wasting their time on side issues. I didn't make the point very well. ॐ Priyanath talk 14:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lennon

A suggestion has been made on the John Lennon talk page about how much information should go in. It would be nice of you to add a comment, if you wish to... --andreasegde 14:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cheers

Thanks less - I wanted to save it quick because my wife was grtting what she describes as 'wikipedia rage' - I will give the sand box ago next time!!!Reedgunner 10:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vera etc.

Well he seems to think the BBC is a good source, and I've quoted their style guide, so I'm not sure what else he can expect. Though simply writing out the abbreviation should make it pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain — he can't be "awarded a Member of the Order of the British Empire" unless the UK's brought back slavery and the Royal Household has thereupon instituted the practice of handing out people as prizes. Proteus (Talk) 23:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

He wasn't polite to me when reverting, and I see he makes a habit of being rude, so I'm not going to make any special efforts to be nice to him. He's wrong, there is an abundance of data, both on Wikipedia and on the internet at large, that shows him to be wrong, and I'm not wasting my time explaining English grammar to him when he should learn about a subject before pontificating on it. Proteus (Talk) 23:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gun in my hand? What gun in my hand?

I've a limited access to internet at uni, but I'm home for Chrim so I thought I'd get stuck into a good old Beatles scrap! How are you old timer? (that's an elbow-in-the-ribs joke). Hered "Love" yet?--Crestville 23:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] item 6

LOL Tvoz 23:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

That's it B Z Body tell the whole world whydontcha - I don't stand a chance of blaggin em now! Vera, Chuck & Dave 00:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
LOl! Speaking of Tvoz, have a look at Macca's article, I think she may have solved it, I think it's a good edit and one which works, BTW is the site slow tonight? Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 00:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Glad you like it - as I said somewhere, I don't care either way. But I hope you all appreciate how I spelled "honored". And yes, the system sucks tonight. Tvoz 00:56, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Never too late for a good pun Mr.Bod! Iv'e just informed the good lady (above) that the problem is arising because whilst an MBE is Awarded it is also an Appointment and if it's got the BBC confused, just think what it's doing to a bog standard Firebobby! Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 01:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Crimbo!

Hope you have a good one! Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 11:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MBE

There are 10 Orders, all of which are AWARDS, there is 1 APPOINTMENT that of "Knight Bachelor", to Men Only.[1] Vera, Chuck & Dave 15:44, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: speedy tag for Krishami

Yes, you are right it had to be deleted, just that your rationale was invalid. Just because an article is unreferenced of unwikified does not merit deletion. An article can be deleted if it is about something (like a garage band or vanity article or nonsense) that does not merit inclusion in Wikipedia. It's a good idea to review WP:CSD. Anyway, you are doing a good job and I hope you'll keep it up. Renata 21:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

I always love reading your comments. "Wag my eyebrows at you" being one of many. Brilliant. andreasegde 18:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

Thanks, but you have absolutely no need to apologise. It was entirely me, and I apologise wholeheartedly. Hopefully I've calmed down a bit now. Proteus (Talk) 20:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Beatles and forking articles

I have a problem that I would like to impart to all you good 'Beatles project' editors, and it is this:

  • Should anything directly Beatles-related be in the main Beatles' article, and only 'personal' stuff put into the Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, and Starr articles? I have the disturbing feeling that I'm repeating stuff in both Lennon and McCartney articles that should only be in the main article.
  • But... if only personal stuff is included in the individual Beatles' articles, would it make them too confusing/random, to read?

Please answer (on a stamped and self-addressed postcard please) on our talk page. (This might be more interesting than talking about MBEs... :) andreasegde, Mr Hornby, and Sir Sean de Garde 15:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Praa Sands

Hi. It is no big problem, but if there is a good reference for older pronounciations then great! I'm a grockle from Carleen and I have had my head bitten off a few times when mis-speaking the local names; so I might be a little oversensitive... Cheers.LessHeard vanU 23:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree that if there's a reference for the other version then it should be added. I reverted to the previous version since I could fine no reference to older pronunciations after a brief search and even if it is accurate then stating "other pronunciations are incorrect" covers it for the present. --Cherry blossom tree 00:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Beatles Discography

What is the point of having a band discography then? There is absolutley no reason for publishing the same info twice. It may look nice to a fan but that does not justifie its presence. I will remove it always. User:NoPrisoners

What is the point of having a talk page, or even a Project, if one individual decides that they alone are the arbiter of what constitutes appropriate content. This is a co-operative (hence wiki) venture, friend; take your point of view to the (talk:The Beatles|talkpage) and see if you can convince folk. LessHeard vanU 23:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Well it seems you alone have taken it upon themselves to keep this pointless section, I hope you will see your error here and not succumb to fan wank User:NoPrisoners
No I'm just a member of the Project who got to the edit button first (others are probably enjoying their Saturday night elsewhere). Your contrib history shows that you are new and, unless you are a new account for another user, you may soon find that more people will disagree with your methods and policy. I repeat, Wikipedia is built by concensus; WP:Bold, WP:IAR and WP:Good faith may sustain you initially, but you will need to persuade people to the viability of your arguments if you are going to continue on this path. LessHeard vanU 23:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 9, January 2007

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 009 – January 2007
Beatles News
  • The ongoing divorce proceedings between Paul McCartney and the former Heather Mills continues to occupy the attention of the media - Heather Mills reportedly receiving unspecified death threats.
  • The British Post Office have released a series of stamps depicting various Beatles album covers.
Project News
  • The Paul McCartney article is being primped and primed for submission as a Featured Article candidate.
  • The good folk who have been working on the above article have turned their attention to the John Lennon page. Everyone is, of course, invited to contribute.
  • The hottest Project page this month has been the Macca (Paul for those not in the know!) article, again.
  • Other Project news... Please let the editors know if anything is happening, or just contribute it to the next newsletter.
Member News
Issue of the Month

The question of capitalising of the letter "t" in The of The Beatles has been raised again. It appears that UK style references (here and here) also maintains that the letter should be in lower case. If the Project is to be appear professional then it may have to change the format. Polite discussion is invited at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Policy. If possible, please provide sources/references to support your position.

From the Editors

It has been a fairly quiet time with regard to the Project (or at least that is how it seems). If you are reading this and wondering why your efforts in respect of a Beatles article has not been mentioned, it may be that you haven't told any editor. This is your Newsletter, which means you can contribute to it, so please do!

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[edit] Mary ann lenneghan

I am not sure that you have offended anyone and have no idea if you have. I think that you may have just made a simple error and pressed preview page and the forgotten to press save page. I have done this bfore thinking i have made edits and havent. Check your contribution logs it will definatly show up there if you did save any changes. I doubt you have upset anyone and am sure you would have been informed if you had so don't worry and I'm sure it was only a simple mistake. Happy editing :)--Lucy-marie 11:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Multiple personalities

It said, in the last Beatles' newsletter, that "Sir Sean de Garde appears to have developed multiple personalities." This is very true (and made me laugh an awful lot) but it is necessary when one is faced with talking to one on one's pages that one has contributed to. (Work that one out... :) The changing of one's name brings tremendous amusement to one - as other editors are wont to do the same. I refer you to members, Vera, Chuck, and Dave, LessHeard vanU, and Crestville, who have given one a terrific amount of pleasure in the general 'laughing gear' area, because of their inovative choices of Nom de plumes. One can only hope that this practice does not offend one's own sense of normality. One can only live in hope. :)) Who am I? 20:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I like the Trumpton reference but the rest went over my head. I thought I was the only one who knew all the firemen. And Windy Miller.--Crestville 20:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Barney McGrew anyone? Better than 'The Woodentops'. andreasegde 19:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yeah, I know...

But I'm so sick and freaking tired of removing it. That has to be the fifth time I've done it this month, and it's a very POV statement. --Wikify me, captain! 22:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, I've been longer than my few edits and new account would imply. --Wikify me, captain! 22:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I must agree, although I'm afraid I know nothing about British football. ;) --Wikify me, captain! 23:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Tearooms: Excellent joke old chap - it had me in stitches. Keep up the good work :)) andreasegde 19:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pretty Pussies

How the eff did you know it was a knockin shop? -spooky! Vera, Chuck & Dave 15:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Imposter

Lol... who's this geezer following Sir Sean around and telling 'im he's a dipstick? Give that man a medal (Oops, he's already got one - bugger... :) Sir Sean hereby voluntarily revokes his membership of the 'Smarty-pants Club' in Mayfair.

Hold on, this man is calling himself Vera, Dave and Chuck! Something fishy here, methinks... :) I Heard Less van U 21:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination

I've just nominated Macca for FA, but I'm not sure if I did it right. Can you check it? andreasegde 22:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To let you know

I'm firmly on your side with everything you said at the village pump, and If they want you, they go through me first pal! Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 04:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Now come on Vera, you know you couldn't punch your way out of a wet paper bag at the moment, but the thought is there. Bless. (I can't fight for toffee, BTW... :)
Anyway - I don't know if LessHeard's comments will keep the zealot vultures away, but we could try to ignore them on the pages a bit more, and not get ourselves in long discussions about whether one tiny sentence should be changed or not. We know who we are, do we not? Let's not let the ............ (insert insulting word here) grind us down, and distract us. Mr Softy "Mine's a 99!" 07:27, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I've got the very thing for you, my dearest LessHeard vanU. I have just been delving into the Macca FA review and I have found some very 'effin interesting stuff. Have a read at the end of the review to see something surprising regarding the Wiki manual of style, and who they cite. The game is afoot, my dear Watson! en and em-dashes, my mother's ar#e... andreasegde, who is a bit miffed 07:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] well...

I haven't changed my mind about that, no. It's not the way things should be done, and the response I got when I objected (politely, I thought) was really unacceptable. I don't care one way or the other, really, about the subject - it's the principle that bothers me. Thanks for asking - that was sweet of you - you can participate if you feel like it, I won't hold it against you. (of course if you want to tell the guy he's an arrogant prick, I won't mind that either.... nah, I'm kidding. No point in doing that.) By the way, good for you over on the watering hole or whatever that place is called - you are totally right. I'll say so too. Tvoz | talk 20:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hmm

I noticed you've said that GAR and FAR are much the same at [[2]]. I'll have to disagree that GAR is the same as FAR. FAR notifies all relevant Wikiprojects, and the original FA nominator regarding the article being subject to review - this is done 100% of the time, unlike GAR. Furthermore, consensus is used at FAR, whereas at GAR anyone can remove GA status. A quote below;

"It is made by editors who are (despite their commendable enthusiasm and diligence) stupid, rather pointless and liable to insult those contributors to major topics with their nitpicking and arrogant, superior attitudes."

Since I was the one responsible for a lot of the Beatles articles FA status, and two Beatles related articles losing GA status, I guess this comment is meant to include myself? I'm not really bothered about your comments regarding the GAR process, but comparing it to FAR is rather insulting, though of course you're entitled to your own opinions. I invite you to pop in sometime to FAR though, and see we ain't as bad as people think and are very amiable, and not to base your opinions about FAR on a bad GAR incident. I hope you'll come to see the differences between the two. Take care. LuciferMorgan 03:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

On that occasion though it was GAR that was being overzealous - I don't mind you having a go, you have every right, but the GAR situation as concerns the Beatles article has absolutely nothing to do with FAR. FAR allows you a few weeks to help articles etc. and works with editors, unlike what GAR seems to be. They're two totally different things in my eyes. I don't think you should face consequences for speaking your mind and hope you don't, but basing your opinion about FAR on a GAR situation is a little ignorant to be honest. The editors are different altogether, though it's up to you how you formulate your opinions. LuciferMorgan 21:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
GAR is a piece of cake. FAR is like being stripped naked, doused in petrol and people holding a match under your testicles to see if you flinch or not. I would rather boil my head than go through that process again. Who the fu*k wrote the Wikipedia manual of style? Apparently nobody. It's just a light that comes from within, your Worship... andreasegde 10:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Nothing wrong with FAR Andreas - people just have to listen to what other reviewers say. The fact many Beatles FAs were removed is because they were substandard, and I have no regrets about nominating them. I don't see why others should have had to work their asses off to strive for FA while those articles were there and weren't even half as good. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LuciferMorgan (talk • contribs) 11:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] He's fallen in the water!

Waht does LessHeard vanU actually mean Dad?--The presumably illegitimate Crestville 17:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, guv'nor I fought you was a cock-er-ney flower. My most humble apologies. Do you know Chas and Dave? Snooker Loopy Nuts Are We
Ah-hah! You are quoting Mike Silligan with the water comment. Now tell me I'm old and stupid, if you dare.... Les Dennis's internal organs 10:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Beatles Trivia

They're at it again - trying to delete it. See the discussion page. The Beatles Trivia "delete" page. andreasegde 19:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the history page of the review last year in July, and this one now, it's a bloke called Worldtraveller who put it up both times. He specifically mentions The Beatles trivia on his own talk page as something that pisses him off. He's got a bee in his bonnet about it, that's for sure. andreasegde 21:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
He will love what I have just written, then! LessHeard vanU 21:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Why does it keep getting put up for deletion? Some people.--Crestville 15:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
BTW, why are they all still going at it? I thought you closed it! Cheers la, Vera, Chuck & Dave 22:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
No it is not closed, by Jiminy. Get yer work-shy rear-end over there, Crestville, and give 'em, err... that bit under the Earth that's really hot and sticky. 'L', that's the word. Jim Davidson's sperm sac

[edit] Freddie Lennon

Little Freddie Lennon has been put for a GAR. Would someone look at it for stupid mistakes, and give it a wipe with a damp cloth? andreasegde 09:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you change your delist on the Fabs GA review? andreasegde 09:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all with the newsletter. Thanks for mentioning Mimi, BTW. I'm saving my pocket money to buy a six-pack when Freddie and Julia get a GA.
Re: Macca. I'm tempted to say that it should be drastically reduced in size, and loads more information forked off. I think that is its only chance to reach the higher echelons of FA zealots' article standards. andreasegde 12:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Standards are in place for many reasons Andreas - I keep saying to submit the article for peer review, but my plea is falling on deaf ears. If you took the time to submit the article, you'd get feedback on how to improve it. Perhaps listening to advice would help the article get to FA? LuciferMorgan 11:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Cbing01 screwing Past Masters article

Please investigate CBing01's tampering of the Past Masters, Volume Two article. Steelbeard1 17:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. As per your suggestion, discussion continues at Talk:Past Masters, Volume Two. Steelbeard1 21:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project

I've added the template to my user page, but am unsure how to subscribe to the newsletter. Any help or suggestions? Thanks, Cbing01 23:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Policy Discussion : Arguments to Avoid in Deletion Discussions.

Hey, I wasn't trying to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point by nominating that essay as policy. I have no vested interest in the article either way, I just honestly think that we will be better off with a consensus on the matter. Sorry for any confusion.--CastAStone|(talk) 04:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Bloody people vandalising my page. Harrumph. I wouldn't mind but I can't think of anyone I've had an argument with recently. As I thank you I interjected with your man on the John Lennon page and hopefully made him look silly. thus undermining his supposed authority.--Crestville 10:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

'Macca' Oh yeah, I would surely do that. Then again—as you so rightly said—it would be foolish to restrict a 'flagship' article to the rules that FA articles are governed by. "Between a rock and a hard place", as they say. andreasegde 18:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 10, February 2007

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 010 – February 2007
Beatles News
  • George Harrison's handwritten lyrics to the song While My Guitar Gently Weeps have fetched $300,000 (£152,552) in a Scottsdale (Arizona, United States) memorabilia auction (15 January). It contained lines omitted from the final version of the song. Specifically :
I look from the wings at the play you are staging
While my guitar gently weeps
As I'm sitting here doing nothing but aging
Still my guitar gently weeps

On the reverse of the page appears the lyrics to Hey Jude in the hand of Mal Evans.

Project News
  • The Project lead article (The Beatles, for those not paying attention) has had its Good Article status reviewed, and the consensus was 'keep'. The efforts of User:Andreasegde in supplying the requested citations, and other editors in helping with general editing, and the strength of arguments for retaining the grade sufficiently impressed the reviewers.
  • After a great deal of work Paul McCartney was promoted as a Featured Article candidate. Unfortunately it failed to succeed. Among other comments, including the correct length of dash (or hyphen), from reviewers was that the article was too long and also that it needed further information included in some of the sections(!?) The promotor, and driving force behind the insertion of a great many references, citations and facts (and the remover of unwanted text, and splitter of information into daughter articles), Andreasegde vigorously argued the case for promotion but was unsuccessful.
  • Mimi Smith was successfully nominated for WP:Good article status. The major editor to whom accolades should be directed is... Andreasegde.
The Beatles' Influence on Recording Music by Apepper and Wings 1973 UK Tour by Danthemankhan.
  • The hottest Project page this month was possibly, despite the Article Status related issues regarding both The Beatles and Paul McCartney mentioned above, the third attempt to delete The Beatles trivia in less than a year. As was the case for the second attempt at AfD the result, after an energetic discourse, was keep but with a suggestion that the article be retitled to reduce the incidence of deletion requests. Editors are invited to discuss possible new titles, and/or the need for same, at Talk:The Beatles trivia.
  • Other Project news - Lar did a bit of a purge of the subscription list during last month's newsletter delivery. Some folks were kept (and are at the active list), some who clearly are not active on wikipedia at all were removed with a "you've been removed" message left (and are at the inactive list), and some folks who were less active but not as clearly completely inactive were given a "this may be your last newsletter" message (and are at the possibly inactive list). A more nuanced subscription list is now here (in several subpages as outlined above), and anyone who wants to tweak their status (moving one's self back is a clear cut sign that we should deliver the newsletter to you!) should feel free. Please respect the rather spartan formatting though, this list is used by WP:AWB currently, and may be used by other automation in future.
Issue of the Month

Hottest issue or concern for this month is the perennial matter of Project articles losing their Good or Featured Article status. The main Project page now includes a status board that gives the current ratings of some of the more important articles. Let's make sure the core articles (The Beatles, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, and Ringo Starr) reach or retain Good Article status, if not Featured Article. If you are aware of another major article whose status is at risk, add it to the board.

Issue of last Month

Since there has been no response in the matter of the use of lowercase for the initial letter of the when applied with Beatles from the opponents, it is likely that the case for using lowercase only will be adopted as Project policy by default. User:LessHeard vanU will draw up a recommendation and submit it to the Policy talkpage in a few days.

From the Editors

We are pleased to welcome the contributions of Alexcalamaro to this newsletter. Any editor can include an item of interest or news; this medium can be an excellent tool for getting a comment seen by a great number of project members. As it says below, this is your newsletter.

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[edit] Hint

Taken, and acted upon! Cheers Our Mark! Vera, Chuck & Dave 14:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

The Beatles trivia is now "The Beatles' miscellanea". Let the trivia zealots boil their heads in oil... andreasegde 21:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Your'e most welcome! Don't worry too much, there's always a bit of buckshot that goes astray! Vera, Chuck & Dave 23:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The real second deletion: The 2nd deletion I have tried to put it in, but I'm buggered if I can.andreasegde 16:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hahahahahaha

I don't get the newsletter - not sure why, I'll have to check into that - and I had absolutely no idea what your note on my page meant - including when I looked at the issue.... but just saw the reference and am laughing my ass off. Tell the boys I appreciate that they are scared of me - it never worked with my kids, so I'm glad someone thinks I'm formidable! Sorry I've been a bit absent from Beatles-related things - I've been busy in what they call "real life" and also got caught up in editing Hillary CLinton and Barack Obama - but I'll be back again. Ouch, ok, it's after midnight and I had a bit too much wine with dinner. Cheers - say hi for me to the gang! Tvoz | talk 05:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE WELCOME BACK

Cheers Mark!!! Had to get away from the Nutters for a few days Simon

Yeh agreed - I actually have been looking for something else for a while Reedgunner 16:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LessHeard vanU re LuciferMorgan/SandyGeorgia

Hi LessHeard,

As I said on LM's talk, it is really just tangents on top of tangents. We certainly don't need more of those, and I apologize if my mentioning you, troubled you. To put it really simply I saw "fuck off", and thought "hey, not fair--SandyGeorgia is a bang-up editor." If you and Sandy have worked it out, no more trouble needed from me. Marskell 23:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] the Beatles

Thanks for pointing out on my talk page that the "the" policy had been changed. I've been working on it for several hours now. I noted your suggestion that someone create an automated thing (a "bot" I think you called it). I worry that it would potentially change more "the"s than it should, but then again I don't know anything about how sophisticated a bot can be programmed to be. In any case, thanks for seeing the debate through.McTavidge 04:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

This is great news. Thanks LessHeard. (I second McTavidge's concerns regarding a bot. Of course we will want to make sure it doesn't lowercase anything at the beginning of a sentence or quotation.) --Lukobe 18:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Also when the name The Beatles is first used, irrespective of where it appears in a sentence? Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I would say so, and kick 'em in the pants if they don't say so. (Less Heard has got a Barnstar, BTW.) andreasegde 20:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Genuinely chuffed about both Barnstars. Thank you. LessHeard vanU 20:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Image: Crystal 128 babelfish.png In that case, you can have a fish as well! That's the way Cod planned it.

Thank you, Mark. I'll keep my word and begin editing accordingly.—Jack Yan 00:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Mark, a postscript. I see you couldn't resist a final paragraph on my talk page. I thought we had got over this on the discussion page, as men. You fired one at me. I fired one back. Let’s just edit away for the good of Wikipedia, OK?—Jack Yan 12:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

I think it belongs here as well, so that other people can see it.

The Surreal Barnstar
"The Surreal Barnstar may be awarded to any Wikipedian who adds a 'special flavour' to the community by acting as a sort of wildcard". I gladly award this Barnstar to LessHeard vanU, who has no fear of lesser beings, and who is a genuinely committed editor. I thank him profusely. andreasegde 20:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The beat-less 'article'

So, it's now the Beatles, is it? Every mention of The Band should be changed (in the middle of a sentence) to the Band. "At the gig, Bob Dylan and the Band.... which means his 'backing band', and not The Band. Explanation:

  • "I saw the Band tonight."
  • "Which band?"
  • "The Band!"


  • "I watched the beetles tonight."
  • In your kitchen again?"
  • No, The Beatles!

It's a question of emphasis... andreasegde 17:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

  • There is no such tome. It is called English. We learned it when we were babes, and it is still changing... The style books are all written by Americans (sorry, Americans) because they desire style. Check the Wikipedia:Manual of Style page - it has NO references from a book. Why should we "give up the ghost" under pressure from our American friends?
  • I am not being aggressive here - I am only reacting against the idea that "Heavy industry" should not be written as "heavy industry", and that the Beatles should be "The Beatles". The emphasis is paramount. andreasegde 00:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Applying new "the" policy

Hi, LessHeard, I got your note. I'm so glad this whole debate was finally settled, and that we're using the professionally accepted conventions. I'd be happy to help apply this policy to an article (or articles) that need it, if you would like to direct me to any (I see The Beatles has already been fixed). I'll do what I can with the time I have. Thanks for the heads up! —simpatico talk 05:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ringo Starr

From viewing the "Beatles redux" on The Beatles talk page, yes, I was under the impression that policy had been changed. Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 23:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia, Consensus, The Beatles and Project Policy

I was going to step away from this, since I was only going by the rules and I didn't want to get into a big dispute (especially with editors who I respect and have enjoyed working with), but recent events have brought me back.

The debate about naming the convention regarding the capitalisation or not of the letter "t" of the in t/The Beatles has been going on for a while. I have endured the snide remarks of a Twit, and have engaged in civil debate with some others who continued to question Project policy regarding the issue. I pointed out the need to establish a reasonable argument for their viewpoint over and above that of some professional knowledge so there could be a debate. When they did provide reasonable grounds for reopening the debate I used the offices of the Beatles Newsletter Issue 9:Issue of the Month to request comment, debate on the matter. There was no response. In the next Newsletter Issue 10:Issue of last Month I commented that there had been no response, and that the Project policy would be altered to use of the lowercase. Again, nobody other than the proponents responded. After a brief while I did as I said I would, and amended the Policy.

[edit] Belated reaction

The new Policy is not to the liking of some of the editors involved the the Beatles Project (as the previous one was not to others.) After the policy was implemented reasons and arguments for retaining the previous convention were given. Authorities were cited and some discussion was created. Very recently more than one editor has edited Beatles related articles specifically to reflect the previous policy.

[edit] My Comments

My preference is to capitalise the letter t of the in the Beatles.

Wikipedia has very few rules; two of the most important relate to consensus and verifiability.

Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles has a specific area for the implementation (following debate and consensus) of Policy. The associate talkpage records the debate and the arguments used in reaching Policy decisions. The Project also maintains the principle of abiding by the rules that have been agreed, and the fundemental Wikipedia ethos of consensus.

[edit] My Observations

No recent discussion occurred when the matter of the use of lowercase or uppercase was notified in two Newsletters, other than between myself and the proponenets of lowercase at the Policy talkpage. Since Policy implementation discussion has only occurred on the talkpages of concerned editors, or on the talkpages of some of the articles, and not at the Policy talkpage.

More than one editor has unilaterally decided to ignore the new Policy, going so far as to amend articles to reflect the previous convention.

[edit] My Conclusion(s)

The Beatles Project is being disrupted by editors who I personally know to be conscientious and dedicated contributors of long and good standing. In that there is now occurring what might be considered vandalism (the knowing altering of articles in a manner that is against Wikipedian and Project rules and policy), likely as a result of their strongly held views, I believe that this matter needs urgent addressing. I am copying this to the Policy talkpage, and to all the editors involved in formulating the new policy and the recent opponents. I suggest that this debate is taken there, and that this matter is decided in a civil manner in accordance with the principles of Wikipedia.


I am deeply saddened that it has come to this. I am depressed that editors (people) whose integrity and civility (not to say sheer fun) I had been proud to be associated with have acted in (what I see as) bad faith and flagrant disregard for the rules and guidelines of both Wikipedia and The Beatles Project. LessHeard vanU 23:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The "The/the" policy reevaluation

Thanks for your new comments on the "The/the" dispute. Strong legal citations have emerged which indicate that "The Beatles" should be used as it is a registered trademark. Check out this discussion [3] which includes a link to the UK Patent Office which proves that "The Beatles" as well as "Beatles" are registered trade marks of Apple Corps Ltd. The actual link is at [4]. So does legal reasons trump grammatical reasons? Steelbeard1 03:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] beatles newsletter

I don't seem to be on the subscriber list. Could you add me? Thanks! --Lukobe 01:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you do that. Ar Eh Mark, you should never turn on your own - Never turn on your own. Vera, Chuck & Dave 03:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The The pop band

Dear LessHeard, the current policy is only what the current policy is. It will never be agreed upon wholeheartedly, ever, or ever. As you yourself said, dictionaries are 50/50 split (three against three) about it. Who are we to bicker about policy, when the professionals don't agree with each other? We should all get back to articles (meaning the GA type). Funnily enough, the FA crowd NEVER mentioned that 'The/the' problem when they failed Macca—not once. My best wishes. andreasegde 21:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

You're not getting flak - we are. You happen to have the unfortunate position of being the piggy in the middle. We still love you. How about that pint in a pub with an open fire and a packet of crisps? andreasegde 22:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
If ever you are in Cornwall...! It's okay, I have been hardline Liberal all my life (middle of the road is the most dangerous place on the (information super)highway) and am used to slugging it out - often on my lonesome. If the debate had (re)started a month ago... all those articles you have been stewarding would not have done so well. LessHeard vanU 22:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
To get a GA I would have changed them, but only if there was a concensus between a substantial number of editors. This will all blow over. Have a look at the Status Board—doesn't it look better than before? BTW, they should all be Good Articles. Status Board Who's next - Mal or Brian? andreasegde 22:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's important. Upper case, lower case, I really don't think it matters. There's no need to argue over it really. There are bigger problems with the article--Crestville 23:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

The (the?) Beatles article. For example, never once is it mentioned that "I'm Only Sleeping" is a really, really good song. Or that "You're Mother Should Know" is a really, really shit song.--Crestville 16:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey Bulldog has the worst lyrics I have ever been subjected to. This is a totally meaningless post, so please throw it in the bin... :) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 19:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No

They're only 10, but I've just called a friend who has a degree in English, an she says The Beatles is a proper noun and should be Capped. It's also in Wiktionary.

Sorry for misunderstanding what you said, I was very tired an just shot from the hip, sorry pal. Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 23:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll Fuckin phone her again terfuckinmorra!! Vera, Chuck & Dave 00:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
You timed that well, I was just off to bed! Should know Monday or Tuesday. Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 22:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Aright our Mark? It looks like the "Brain Box" is just paying lip service, she's made no attempt to find out! When I take the girls in I'll have a word with their teacher an see what she can come up with. Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 00:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Spoke with their teacher today and she agrees that it should be capitalised, even if it's by virtue of the fact that they are words used as names The Windy City etc. She says that she will try and lay her hands on a GCSE course work thingy, OK? Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 00:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] B.C.

Intitals of Senior Div.(div being the operative word!) Officer, phoned me up, an did his bollocks! I 've called the brain box again and she is going to try and get the course book from a friend on Monday - She doesn't teach, she works in advertising. BTW, all the books written by Alan Clayson about The Fabs, capitalise The Beatles throughout, I don't know if that's any help in the meantime? Cheers Our Kid, Vera, Chuck & Dave 14:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Right, just to let you know that she's tracked down a teacher! She is going to speak with him termorra at school, and ask the dreaded question, what ever the answer, she will pass on the details of the course book they are using. Cheers La. Bongo O'Starkers

[edit] Breath Holding

Thanks for the note on my page. Helps put things in perspective. McTavidge 02:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It's that time again?

that time?
what I'm talking about...

It's apparently just about that time again... ish 11's awaiting your gentle ministrations... LMK (see the talk there) what you need, if anything, from me... That's assuming you can't palm the whole job off on some other fellah. PS, I saw your note on McT's talk, you're a good sort, you know that? Well said. ++Lar: t/c 21:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Useful template

Globe icon This article or section deals primarily with the United States and does not represent a worldwide view of the subject.
Please improve this article or discuss the issue on the talk page.

for the very many USAcentric articles found on Wikipedia LessHeard vanU 00:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Astrid Kirchherr

Mark, I've cited the source for the hair cuts in her article but they've not "come out". Will you see what I dun rong please? Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 00:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks to me that you got it right. Perhaps your computer cache hadn't updated when you looked? LessHeard vanU 10:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Cheers Mark, damn thing is probley conkin out! Vera, Chuck & Dave 13:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template comments

No problem on mentioning the templates on my User page. I recently added a link to them on some other page where someone was discussing changes to the production templates. I'll be glad to get feedback on them. John Cardinal 14:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 11, March 2007

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 011 – March 2007
Beatles News
  • On February 5, 2007, the Beatles' Apple Corps and Apple, Inc. (Apple Computer) announced a settlement of their latest trademark dispute involving use of the Apple trademark on the iTunes Music Store. In May of 2006, the High Court ruled in favor of Apple, but Neil Aspinall, manager of Apple Corps, vowed to appeal. Evidently, in the intervening months, the two companies negotiated a settlement. The settlement is discussed in this AP story. For background on the case, see Apple Corps v. Apple Computer. For fans, this may mean that Beatle music will be available someday on iTunes. Despite rumors of a February 2007 release, the material is still unavailalble.
Project News
  • There were no Project article adoptions for the month of February.
  • Project Policy has now been altered to reflect that the use of lowercase for the letter "t" of the word "the" in the Beatles is now considered the correct rendition.
Member News
  • New members to the project since the last issue include (although the first is a long time contributor who apparently has only just found the Participants section);
Tvoz
Freshacconci
Liamshaw
John Cardinal
Mezlo
ErleGrey
Captain Waters
Hey jude, don't let me down
Issue of the Month

See below. There is genuine concern that the Newsletter is getting stale in terms of content and variety, and that the same individuals are featured each month. Furthermore, lack of "news" is hindering the timely distribution as the editors wait for something to report. All Project editors are encouraged to give their news, suggestions and thoughts to keep the 'Letter vital and interesting. If making direct contributions do not appeal, please give a mention on the Newsletter talkpage and it will be incorporated!

From the Editors

Help is needed for the job of putting future Newsletters together. The present incumbent is finding it difficult to reflect the breadth of the Project, focusing on much the same individuals and articles each month, and has decided to beg for contributions from other individuals. Interested persons need only start working on next months issue to qualify. It really is that simple!

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delivered by ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 00:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] the The/the thing

Dude... I saw you move your name from active to inactive (you know where). I hope you'll reconsider because I think that project is greatly enhanced by your wit and work and wisdom. I think most other people feel the same way. the the/The thing just doesn't really matter in the scheme of things. There are a great bunch of guys working on the project and ... that naming thing, just doesn't matter.

But in any case you've done wonderful things and I hope, whether you stay or go, you have fun on the wiki, because that's what it really is all about, having fun. Thanks for your hard work. Cheers, mate. ++Lar: t/c 23:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inactive

If you are not active on the Beatles wikiproject, we have lost a clear voice of reason and our best hope for managing this debate via accepted process rather than on emotion. That's a big loss! I hope you are active again soon, and whether you are or not, thank you. When I started in January and saw discussion about the issue I almost bolted on the spot; when I saw you explain the process and guide it, I immediately changed my mind. — John Cardinal 19:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fatal Microbes

I actually would prefer to remain anonymous at this stage (thanks for asking), since I am new and all.... I have registered on WP as Pete Fender as well, in case I want to post stuff that is attributable to me, later on. It is a strange feeling when others correct you on your own past and in some ways I have to agree with Ana da Silva's comment, though I also respect the fact that others may have a different perspective on certain events and developments...there is clearly room to be left for others. In particular there seem to be other parties interested on behalf of Honey Bane, in presenting her history in a particular light. I have no problem with that sort of thing, I think most artists would feel that way. In the case of Rubella Ballet and Omega Tribe, I cannot detect anyone else from the band taking an interest, so I have assumed the role of 'someone who was there', just to keep an eye on things. I shan't hesitate to ask if I feel I would like some help or advice, though. Cheers, Pete.--Punkeditor 14:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Pashtun article

Thanks for the observance and consideration, but I was actually just trying to revert the vandalism. Apparently, several instances of vandalism had survived quite a few generations of edits. I really have to question how that can happen in a featured article! Savant1984 00:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Dirty Dozen

Wierd, man! They're all gone! Who am I going to talk to now? It's like at the end of one of those war films where all your friends are dead and you are just sort of stood there looking a bit distant. Or maybe Catch 22 - Hungry Joe, Nately, Dobbs and Kid Sampson are all dead, and I'm Yossarian or Hawkeye or something. You can choose between Dunbar - and be "dissapeared" - or Orr and be presumed dead and turn up alive at the end.--Crestville 13:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC) (No fun doing stupid names anymore)

I dunno Markey Mark (who, upon closer inspection is actually younger by both of my parents, though onlyby 2 Months), I miss them! I'd never leave, but still, hen--Crestville 00:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
By the way, it was John Voight, not Slaphead Yul. Not that I've seen the film.--Crestville 13:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan

Suddenly a man arosed from behind the stones and became the president of Afghanistan with out any efforts and political back ground, certainly I am talking about Mr Karzai, will you reckoned such man as famous figure and lined him up with some historical people like Batcha Khan, who has a remarkable political career with full of sacrifices? Thanks. Haider 22:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure! What I think is a bit different of your angle, this article is much valuable and having more importance to Pashtun people itself, as compare to non-pashtuns, because believe me, litrecy rate is very below among pashtuns, and being a pashutn, this is my liability to let the Pashtuns know about their glorious past at different forums, and this is one of it. As far as Language, Culture and Heritage concern, these have been highlighted very superbly in the article(nevertheless still lot to be rectified), Pashtuns and other readers would have enjoyed it. May be I am wrong but Hamid Karzai don't deserve any article even on him, while he is hanging on the main article page like would have got that president ship after 25 years of prison like the great Nelson Mandella, any famous dosn't mean for "hero", if I am not wrong, what are his credentials and struggle for any cause, which need to be mention? Take care. Haider 21:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello again, What I am emphasizing is, Mr Karzai has nothing under his name, despite if he is holding such an important seat. If former President George Washington is not on front pages of the news now, it dosn't mean he is not famous, he has been living in the hearts of Americans for ages, while any current president couldn't take his place, even if he is hot in daily news, hero is far famous than famous. Sorry if it reflects some illogical example for you. Take care. Haider 21:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Ofcourse Mr Karzai is famous, as far as current political news concern, but he is not famous amongst Pashtuns and the article is on Pashtuns so Pashtuns suggestions should be taken with some importance, they don't like him that's why he couldn't hold stability in his country. If he had some true sacrifices, political career or back ground then he would have been a hero for his people. I am not denying the criteria for the notable persons but here we have some different story like done nothing and treated as great!! Hope I am not waisting your time. Thanks. Haider 23:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
That's great if I am not! Certainly we are learning from each other agreed. Pashtun article is being read by both Pashtuns and non-Pashtuns, but what our duty is to put extra light on famous Pashtun heros first, who had some glorious past with full of passion and I will point them up as the forgotten heros, who now deserve full attention to reveal their efforts for their nation, and obviously that will be good for both pashtun and non-pashtun readers. May be Mr Karzai would be famous in the western world but this famous man is being hated by their own people and that's why stability in Afghanistan is very rear. Let us show the true famous people of Pashtuns in the Pashtun article, who really deserve their images like great Imran Khan, Younus Khan and Jahangir Khan in sports section and Batcha Khan, Faqir of Ipi and some others as Politicians. Batcha Khan's image should have affixed their first and then if we had some free space, Mr karzai could have been hanged there also. I am well understood your point of view but I have my own points, which need to be understood as well? Thanks. Haider 20:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Same shit, different day

Seems to be a relatively minor incursion. I'm sure they'll just get bored and go away eventually!Mammal4 11:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uhh-err Missus

Uhh dear, someone's hot under the collar about absolutely fuck-all. I never said that you personally were included in "the smaller group of people", I only repeated what you had written about the bleeding policy. You can count your own good self out, because I'm already solid gone. If you think that a project where most members don't give a flying fuck if the articles are GA or not, don't have any books, don't know how to put citations in, and just want to put fancruft and POV in is worthwhile, then you have been deluding yourself - so don't give me shit. I only pointed the problems out, and now you want to shoot the messenger.

I only want you to ponder on the one question I have that is crucial: Why was I the only one to put articles up for a GA/FA in the last six months? Does anybody else give a shit? It doesn't seem to be the case, it is the case.

I will allow you to tell me to "grow up", because I wish that I was younger, but I think you will you regret writing that I only care about my so-called "precious pet articles". That is complete shite, and you know it. Now we've both had our rants, I can only say that I still love you, and I wish I had visitation rights for the cats.... andreasegde 14:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Mark, mate, that was pretty uncalled for. What I will say is, for the time being, YES we should follow wikipedia policy but, as it stands, wikipedia policy regarding the "t" is WRONG. Whilst I agree noone should be bitching to you about this, it should be adressed. Andrea, you and Vera have now all left and I havn't been involved in ages, so there's no need to be uncivil. LETS BE NICE MARKEY-MARK--Crestville 16:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
That's m'point wikidad, wikipolicy is final. It is wrong, but it is final. If we want to do something about it, it is not your ear we need to bend. So we can all be friends because we don't even work on the project anymore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crestville (talk • contribs) 17:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Zimbabwe and Medieval cuisine

Yeah the Cold War didn't miss many areas. :) But yeah it was just an example. Maybe not the best one. But it's late here in the US and my brain isn't functioning well. :) --WoohookittyWoohoo! 11:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

LOL! Yeah really! --WoohookittyWoohoo! 11:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
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