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Hayle

Well done on the vandalism : ...Oh how we laughed (not) :) Mammal4 08:11, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

You can't really do proper reverts until you have admin status - I just pick through it by hand and delete the vandalism that way (I had a few random ones on St Erth this afternoon). Once you have admin I believe there is a button at the side (simmilar to the compare versions button on the history pages) that you just highlight and it adds the relevant comentary for you Mammal4 22:00, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Duh - didn't think of that! (much slapping of f'od)...and they say I'm supposed to be clever! ;) Mammal4 09:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Penzance transport

What exactly did you have in mind here in terms of expanded content, and how much detail do you think appropriate? I will have a crack at this over the weekend - have fun at Flora day ;) Mammal4 12:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


Penwith organisation

I've actually set up a page to organise how best to tackle improving the Penwith pages here, as a wikiproject - feel free to add your name to the list. there isn't much there yet as we haven't had much time to organise lists of things to do yet, but the idea is to write down a list of things that we think need doing and then divide them up so as to avoid editor conflicts, as well as bash out ideas for direction. I don't intend it to be a forum for constitutional matters! Mammal4 08:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mark - Just added some information about the history of the Hayle Harbour development etc to the Hayle site - Simon Reedgunner

UK / England -Cornwall continuing thing

Hello Mark, thanks for the feed back left on my talk page - I will have a look at your suggestions in detail when I am not sneeking a peek at wikipedia at work!!! RE the NPOV business - Dont worry I will 'hold myself back' from being biased in Cornwall articles - I actually edited the Penzance article and added 'England' which has resulted in a bit of venom from a few friends of mine - Never mind eh!!! I think most of the Cornwall articles need more content and less bias so I hope to at least have a go. All the best Simon user:Reedgunner

Yeah I know, I should just leave it alone, but its like picking at a scab! :) I've been talking about getting some policy written for a while but haven't got around to it. Really it should be a pan-Cornwall policy rather than a Penwith policy, otherwise the Unionist faction always throw article consistenct back in your face (Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography was founded by England POVers who wrote much of the original stubs. They have integrated the home nations rather than UK thing into all the article templates at the ground floor, so its quite hard to go against the flow). I quite like the idea being discussed at Talk:Cornwall about a separate page for the nation of Cornwall from the England administative unit of Cornwall, which might provide some balance, but I think it would be an uphill struggle, and I don't know if I have the energy!
I've fixed the project template box as you suggested (that is what you meant?) Mammal4 21:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Wreckless Eric; Mick Ronson et al

Yes, I am the same person I have always been ! Keep up the good work, Mark.
Derek R Bullamore 20:03, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Falmouth

Hi Mark, welcome on board!

I like the clarity that you introduced to the Falmouth article, these things sometimes need a new brain to untangle them. Just watch out for "the" definite article at the start of headings - The arrival of the railways in Wiki style would be more usual as Arrival of the railways.

I look forward to reading more of your work around Wikipedia.

Geof Sheppard 08:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Severin

Hey, it's cool. You've been adding some great information. I just really like keeping things to format and being consistent. The WP standard is "when in doubt, using '&' instead of 'and'". For example, Belle & Sebastian use "and" half the time and an ampersand the other half, but WP compromised on the ampersand. The Banshees usually use "and", I know, but not always: Tinderbox, Through the Looking Glass, Superstition, Twice Upon a Time, The Rapture, and some of the singles all use the ampersand. Also, the WP page for the band uses the ampersand, which was the deciding factor for me. Happy editing! Folkor 20:58, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

The Beatles

Hi! I've seen you around on Beatles articles... Would you consider becoming a member of WikiProject The Beatles, a WikiProject which aims to expand and improve coverage of The Beatles on Wikipedia? Please feel free to join us.
Abbey Road... You're not in this picture... yet!
Todo:

Lovely piece you wrote on the Beatles talk page, you clearly know a lot about the band and can write well, so please consider joining our project - even if you all want to do is make suggestions and comments as you just have done. --kingboyk 21:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Replied at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Beatles#re.3B_your_kind_invitation_to_join_The_Beatles_Project. --kingboyk 14:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Hiya mate. Lar seems to be a bit busy at the moment (and I guess he'll be running for adminship soon) so I'm grabbing the next person (man? woman? other?) I can think of and that's you :) I think it's about time we sent out our first newsletter, to tell the less active members where we're at and what's happening. The most important part of this is to try and drum up some more participation as I think the Project is floundering now the initial "new Project euphoria" is over. See you over at Talk? --kingboyk 04:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Happy Spring celebration / Easter (as your preferences and beliefs dictate)

Here's hoping that if the bunny leaves you any beans they're this kind! ++Lar: t/c 15:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Here's hoping that if the bunny leaves you any beans they're this kind! ++Lar: t/c 15:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

hi

why did u put on your page links to articles such as "son", daughter", family ? these are common words :)

i didn't quite understand your message. what is keeping you up all night exactly ? what's the problem?

The Banshees

I don't claim ownership of the gothic rock article. It must be stated that, well, Siouxsie and the Banshee are well-referenced as gothic rock, from books about the gothic rock scene to Allmusic.com's listing on the band. I'm not saying they were exclusively goth either; obviously they released songs like "Kiss Them for Me". No band is forced to write material in one genre. And additonally, not every band is comfortable with being confined to a genre; the Sisters of Mercy hate being labeled goth and The Cure find it inappropriate. In fact, I'm surprised that the Banshees were removed from the paragraph rather than the Cure if anything, who are routintely criticized in the goth community for being a "pop band".

You obviously don't have to consider them a gothic rock band (they also spanned genres like first-wave punk, post-punk, New Wave, and alternative), but they are considered a gothic rock band by a lot of other people and sources, and a pivotal one at that. WesleyDodds 21:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, if you can expand the Banshees page substantially (since it is surprisingly sparse) that would be much appreciated. WesleyDodds 21:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Severin:talk

Copied from discussion page;

deleted 31.05.06.

Greetings from WikiProject The Beatles!

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 1 - May 2006
Project news

Some project tips

  • Stick the following template {{Template:WPBeatles}} on relevant articles. We have 500+ already but may have missed some!
  • Use British/English grammar and spelling per Policy
  • A few moments checking other editors contributions is always appreciated.
  • Don't be shy on using the talk pages. It's where a lot of stuff gets decided.

From the Editors

Welcome to the inaugural issue of The Beatles WikiProject's newsletter! We hope that this newsletter will help members—especially those who may be unable to keep up with some of the rapid developments that tend to occur—find new things to do within the project that they may wish to participate in.

Please consider this inital issue to be a prototype; as always, any comments and suggestions are quite welcome. We would like to emphasise that this is a collaborative Project and all editors are equal - so next month the newsletter editor might be you!

kingboyk, LessHeard vanU and Lar
Signpost

The Project has got off to a great start but we really need your help to keep it going. Here's a few things you can do:


Complete Todo List:

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PS, a big personal thanks for your efforts in getting this newsletter ready to go, your contributions helped loads. Cheers for that, mate! ++Lar: t/c 15:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit summary

"If Helter Skelter is only about a fairground ride, then Norwegian Wood is about IKEA!". Lol! Interesting theory, perhaps you should write an article about it? :P --kingboyk 12:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

What is it about then? It's just a bit of a twee love song. McCartney was into twee songs at the time - Honey Pie (about some bird who goes to America and her feller misses her), Martha My Dear (about his dog) - it wouldn't surprise me if this was just as shallow. What's important, and the reason this song is remebered so fondly, is that the actual music is very similar to the punk music of the next decade. To be honest, I think if you read too much into the lyric, you'll probably end up killing Roman Polanski's wife. What do you think the song is about? I', intregued now!--Crestville 15:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
That's a good anylasis, yeah. Never thought of it like that. Wasn't trying to start an agument, BTW. Only start arguments with the cunts on Wikipedia, I like that. As for a lively debate, I can't help but agree with you, so we can't really have one - though I would point out the song has also been covered by Oasis and U2, who claimed "Charles Manson stole this song from The Beatles, now we're stealing it back!". What a wanker. I noticed your in the Wikibeatles project. I'd love to join a group so close to my own heart, but unfortunately I find the articles are more or less complete. There's nothing I can really add. As a wise man once said "There's nothing you can know that isn't known". Or was it "HELTER SKELTER! (dooby dooby dooby dooby)"--Crestville 20:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, she is a card. I just don't know what I can add about the Beatles. I thought I knew a lot but it all seems to be down there in some form, or it won't fit. Out of intrest, would you be able to give the Noel Gallagher page an edit from a neutral point of view? I can't get it GA status as it is apparently too POV. Reckon you could help?
Well I made sure I only used the stuff that involved - or at least directly effected - Noel. I know about the surnames too. That's a bit of a paradox, but I think it's ok now. I think the best balence is to have the enthusiam of a fan and the neutral point of view of an outsider, but I wouldn't really want it to be dry. More moist. Cheers anyway mate.--Crestville 22:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I've had a very quick scan and it looks pretty good to me. It's possible to be both enthusiastic and neutral in outlook, and it's also possible to get fan-written pieces to FA status (as my recent won't-talk-about-it-any-more success demonstrates). It's perhaps a little concerning that the article relies on such a small number of sources, and I think also that each re-used source doesn't need a new footnote. Just give the ref a name and reuse it (<ref name="VH1"/> for 2nd and subsequent uses). I'd fix it myself but I'm a bit tired now (maybe I'll do it some time if nobody else does). Given the length of the article, I think that WP:GOOD is not the best venue for it to get review. I'd suggest listing the article for peer review, with the ultimate aim of FA status. Hope that helps. --kingboyk 22:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Cheers van man, I rather think he was. Yeah, he's a very nice fellow. Cheers.--Crestville 20:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

from TrevorD

You couldn't link me because my User Id is actually: [[User:Tdw|TrevorD]] as shown in the edit box! -- TrevorD 15:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, how can I help? Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

OK I'll give it a bash! Although I may have to call on you for help with certain things from time to time, if that's alright with you? Vera, Chuck & Dave 13:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me and for your kind offer of help, which I need! At the moment, I'm just finding out how things are done, I've just discovered how you make the thingys go blue! I've read the letter - looks fine. I hope that I'll be better able to help when I become more familiar with how things are done. Take care and close all your doors at night! Vera, Chuck & Dave 08:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC) P.S. I tried to capitalise "The Hurricanes" in The Beatles article, but it turned red so I left it!

Ta for the advise, see yer termorra! Vera, Chuck & Dave 23:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 2, June 2006

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 2 – June 2006
Beatles News
  • Apple Corps v. Apple Computer. A case brought by Apple Corps against Apple Computer, regarding possible infringement of a previous agreement between the two parties in respect of distribution of music, was heard in a London High Court. The story made Wikipedia's front page due to a nomination by our own Kingboyk. The story had an amusing second wave in the news and on Wikipedia; be sure to read the article on Guy Goma if you missed it!
Project News
  • The Beatles article has been approved for inclusion in Wikipedia Version 0.5, making it one of the first 20 articles to be selected and the first in the Music category.
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Policy Talk, where some lively discussion has taken place regarding the (perennial) question of the capitalisation of the letter T in "The Beatles". After seeking the comments of Wikipedian third parties unrelated to the project, the proponents and opponents concluded that the current naming policy was correct. The discussion had the added bonus of bringing in some new members.
Member News
  • Project member (and "co-instigator" of The Beatles Project) Lar was made an Administrator. Project member Kingboyk (the other guilty party) has been awarded a Music Barnstar for his contributions, including his work within The Beatles Project, and has also stewarded the KLF article to Featured Article status this month. Sometimes-contributor ZincOrbie has also been awarded a Barnstar for his work on the Badfinger article. Congratulations to all!
Issue of the Month

The matter of the article History of the Beatles and the History section of the main article The Beatles continues to concern various editors, including DavidWBrooks and Vera, Chuck & Dave. Suggestions, comments, or help with the task would be much appreciated.

From the Editors

The Beatles have been in the real world news recently, but work on The Beatles Project continues as before. This newsletter keeps you up-to-date with what has been happening with the project and, perhaps more importantly, what needs to be done (see the "Issue of the Month" above and the "To Do List" below-left).

If you've just joined, add your name to the Participants section of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy!

Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 003 – July 2006). All and any contributions are welcome. Just let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or start editing!

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Champan

Spot on. I think I have some vauge form or arthritis, possibly a little A.D.D. and (I'm beginning to think) repetative strain injury so I sometimes make typing errors. Are you a Monty Python fan? Only your user page made me think so - "My name is Mark James Slater and this is who I am" sounds like the Ann Elk sketch. Also, you're about the same age as my Dad. Not that I shall hold that agaist you, but still. Interesting eh? Let's be friends --Crestville 02:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, your closer in age to my Mum.--Crestville 10:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Astrid Kirchherr

Thanks, I'm 98% with it being Eppy with the clothes. I've changed Astrid, If you get a mo, will you give the once over to see if it's ok please? Ta, Vera, Chuck & Dave 23:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your time and advice. Ta, Vera, Chuck & Dave 15:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

User_talk:Lar#Un.2Fworthy

Sorry, missed that thread, my page got rather busy!! I've replied (over there). Net net: I agree with you. ++Lar: t/c 15:38, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Gosh!

Hello Mark thanks for cleaning up my grammar etc on the new editions on the Penzance page in gratitude for all you have done with the penwith project I would like to award you the following

The Original Barnstar
for your hard work cleaning up the Penwith articles Reedgunner 16:41, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

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Beatles

Alright? Ahhh, I think you're involved with the Beatles wikiproject and I want to improve a lot of these articles. The song pages range from very strong to quite weak - I want to work on this, but I am busy until the 16th of this month and will probably not have the appropriate sources until sometime in June. I also want to make the history page more comprehesinve.

I'm just telling you coz maybe you could spread the good word, so as to eleviate the problems which will be doubtlessly caused by my shoddy penmanship.

Aren't you glad the world didn't end yesterday?--Crestville 14:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I was listening to this podcast of a radio show from last night and they had this theory that the world would end on the 6/6/06 (666) so I thought I'd mention it. I'm quite glad.
I was just surprised that some of the song articles are a touch weak. Like info boxes and that.
Anyway, enjoy yourself. Who knows when the 6th of June 2106 might roll around!--Crestville 21:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Shagging dog stories

I can only imagine how you came to such a conclusion.--Crestville 15:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Autism and Poverty

Cut me some slack here...I can't cite AND strim the drive at same time - laptop gets covered in grass ;o), but as soon as the weather breaks...

There are LOADS of sources for this stuff, it's just a matter of finding time to dig up a couple of clear and reputable ones - thanks --Zeraeph 21:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

GM

Shit! Sussed again! Vera, Chuck & Dave 21:33, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Scorpio (astrology) article

I've been going through the articles on the signs and negating pro-astrological bias. This article was a particularly egregrious, as I see you've noticed. What do you think of the changes? I realize all the "citation needed" things may be a bit much, but since most people don't know anything about the specifics of astrology, and since every astrological claim is entirely arbitrary, I thought they needed some proof of validity (within the realm of astrology, I mean). --Tothebarricades 02:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 3, July 2006


WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 003 – July 2006
Beatles News
Project News
  • New article classification system, for our use and for Wikipedia 1.0. Very important and we need editor involvement. How can you help? Rate articles! It's easy:
    • Visit Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Article Classification and read about how to grade.
    • Visit Category:Unassessed Beatles articles and select an article to review.
    • After deciding what grade it should have, modify the invocation of {{WPBeatles}} on the talk page to add parms. The template itself gives you the parameters to use. For example, change {{WPBeatles}} to {{WPBeatles|B|Low}} if you think it's a low-importance, B-class article. Save your changes and make sure the talk page is now showing the ratings.
    • Click on the link in the template to edit the /comments subpage and explain why you rated the article the way you did. Don't forget to sign with ~~~~. Save that too.
    • Questions? Ask Kingboyk or Lar for help.
  • Want to stay up on new project developments? Watchlist all of the WikiProject pages plus The Beatles and each of the 4 members, to get a feel for what's happening. Also monitor and regularly review Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The Beatles articles by quality log. If an article is listed on there as "added", go check the article's history. If it's new since the Project began add it to the Project Log as a new article and up the counter by one :)
Member News
Issue of the Month

Preparing articles for inclusion in Wikipedia 1.0.

From the Editors

It was a bit of a struggle to get this month's newsletter done, as we did it without a lead editor. Hopefully, next month you'll jump in and be our lead editor. Big news is that WP:1.0 is coming along nicely and our article classification system has changed to conform to it.

If you've just joined, add your name to the Participants section of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy!

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A favour to ask relating to WP:Beatles

Would you consider helping out with an important task? We need the comments made earlier migrated. See: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Beatles#Help_wanted which discusses the instructions for the task given here: Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Article Classification/Migrating. It would really help the project out a lot. Feedback on the instructions themselves gratefully received as well. ++Lar: t/c 18:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Sock Puppets

I have a style now do I? Ahhh, no harm done, it kept me entertained for a while.--Crestville 14:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Beatles trivia on the chopping block

Dear Beatles editors, I have just seen a header that “The Beatles trivia“ is being considered for deletion. I would like you to take a look at it and vote to keep, or delete. The consensus will win the day, as they say…. I will not vote, as I have been personally involved in the construction of the page. andreasegde 01:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but no thanks for editing my work on the above article. All of the parts you re-introduced is merely copy and paste from other articles. I have noted what I have done on the AfD page with the rationale behind each change. Perhaps you'd like to explain the rationale for your actions there as well. The article is too long, repetitive and in many sub-parts serve no useful purpose. Perhaps it should be deleted afterall. --Richhoncho 12:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I have explained my actions on the AfD talk page. You may believe it to be worthy of deletion, but it is not yet decided by the community - and I would have reverted your edits if I had agreed that the article should have been deleted. If it is decided to delete, then your editing would be pointless. If it is to be kept, then there is going to be duplications. If you want to join the Project, then you would be welcome to find better homes for all these bits of info.LessHeard vanU 12:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I have now seen your comment on the AfD page. Obviously wasn't there when I posted here. I half agree with you that some of this article should survive (I voted keep and re-write early on in the discussion). There is no reason why any editor cannot edit an article on AfD, in fact it is encouraged. With your changes you have now put "Yellow Submarine" and "Free as a Bird" as Beatle trivia. Is that what you want? My original comments still stand, but I am not going to get into an edit conflict with you - In my opinion, in it's present form it is more likely to be deleted.--Richhoncho 12:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Wholesale deletion of parts of the article may give a false impression of the article as nominated. I don't particulary like it, but that is POV. Even if the article is kept, much of it can be moved to more appropriate articles - which would not be possible if it is deleted. You will note that none of the "moved" info has been removed from whatever homes you found for them.LessHeard vanU 12:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Nothing is deleted, it's still in the history!!! and the only other article I touched I noted on the AfD. I checked every article before deleting to ensure there was no "lost" information, this is why, for instance, the Maharishi part wasn't touched by me. I was trying to save the article - even though I still think it needs a re-title and possible splitting. --Richhoncho 13:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

SPAG Help

Hello Mark, could you have a little look at Newlyn Riots for me I fully expect that my grammar spelling etc is as shocking as ever and could do with a brush up. Cheers Reedgunner 15:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi again Mark its Newlyn riots not as above - in the words of Homer Simpson D'OH!!!

Thank you mark for the SPAG - No typos - Thats a first Reedgunner 12:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

George Toogood Smith up for deletion

Alright me old salt? Just to let you know, the article on George Smith, John Lennon's uncle, who raised him as a son, is up for deletion. While I in no way wish for non-notable people to be given articles purely on the basis that they are related to someone famous, Smith was like a father to Lennon and integral but oftern overlooked key in The Beatles mythology (if that's the right word). He features prominantly in any other work on or about Lennon. Vital information that cannot reasonably be included in the Lennon article. The main problem is the unfortunate article title, which highlights close connotations to the fact that he is mainly famous for his relationship to Lennon. Other than that it is a desirable article for anyone wishing to learn about John Lennon. I just thought I'd give anyone interested the oppertuninty to voice their opinions here: [[2]]. Ta very much.--Crestville 14:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


The Beatles Project

Thanks for the invite, but I suspect I shall be a thorn in everybody's side. I've met a few of the people in the backroom associated with the Beatles and they are not getting fair press.Also some of the "music business" information is so wrong it's not even worth bothering to discuss the matter. Too much opinion is going into the articles. Shame, the Beatles do deserve better at WP. However, if you want specific info feel free to ask. --Richhoncho 17:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Already tried broaching a subject on talk pages. See The Beatles Talk page. --Richhoncho 22:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Sweet F A

Hi, thanks for the message on my page - of course I'll be glad to lend a hand, albeit only itermitently at present. Hope everyone's OK at "the project"! Best wishes, Lion King 16:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

SPAG

Thanks for the SPAG - Do you think it has a shot at FA status given a bit of work? Mammal4 21:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Great minds think alike (and fools seldom differ!) see my comments at Talk WikiProject Penwith.LessHeard vanU 21:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 4, August 2006


WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 004 – August 2006
Issue of the Month

Despite it being the lead news article of last month, there is still help required in the assessing of articles and the migrating of comments. Lar is willing to provide assistance to those unsure how to do this.

Beatles News
  • The Beatles in the news. Suggestions: [3] [4]
Project News
  • The Beatles article, the "Flagship" of the Project, is currently under review with regard to its Featured Article status. It is hoped that the review will identify those areas that need some(/lots of) remedial work, and that the Project participants and those editors who are involved in the the FA admin pages to can work together to "save" the status of the article.
    • At the moment there is some discussion as to why it has been listed, and what may be needed to help it retain its FA status. It may well be that some work is going to be required in formulating a plan of action, and then some more in achieving those aims.
    • The FA status is obviously quite important to the Project, and it would be appreciated if participants are able to provide assistance in keeping the article up to standard. The editors would be grateful if those persons receiving this Newsletter could spare some of their time, energy and brainpower in keeping this jewel in our crown in its proper place. Please go to Wikipedia:Featured article review/The Beatles and get involved! Thank you.
Notable updates
Member News
From the Editors

As mentioned in the Project News section, The Beatles article has just been listed for a review of its Featured Article status. Working on this is quite important.

If you've just joined, add your name to the Participants section of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy!

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Come on in ... the water's fine

The debate has being going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#Anons revert warring over England vs United Kingdom for about a week. At the moment it's just people throwing ideas in the ring, but maybe a guidelie will come out of it. Noisy | Talk 22:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Button

I tried to put that edit in first, but you got there first, WOOO go Jensen! :D T. Moitie [talk] 13:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Oasis & Birthdays

Ta very much mate. 20 now. Gaining on you. I sorted out that Oasis deal.--Crestville 20:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation Problem with Beatles Article

In one of your beatles articles your ref the 'High Court', presumably High Court. There are High Courts all over the world. It has been copied to numerous locations on wikipedia. Would you mind doing the disambigs as it has created a lot of work. ta FedLawyer 12:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Capitalisation of The Beatles

Hi, hope your'e well. Iv'e got an american on my page going on about the capitalisation of The Beatles, and a style manual - I messaged Kingbonk about it on the 19th, asking him to help me out with him but he has not responded. I've asked this user to bring it up on the relevant discussion page, but he's just coming back at me . I wonder would you have a word with him please? Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 00:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Best wishes, Vera, Chuck & Dave 13:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 5, September 2006


WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 005 – September 2006
Beatles News
Project News
  • Unfortunately, the Featured Article badge on The Beatles was revoked. The article was immediately nominated for Good Article status, which it received later that same day. Project member Kingboyk said of the nomination, "I'm quite happy about it really, as I feel that GA is about where we're at and gives some incentive to work on the article."
  • We have a new category for Beatles articles needing attention. If you're looking for something to work on, the articles in this category and the subcategories need some TLC. To put an article in this category, tag its talk page with {{WPBeatles|attention=yes}}.
  • Kingboyk has given {{WPBeatles}} another major overhaul, and has assessed all of the Beatles articles. He would be grateful if other editors would leave comments on the state of articles, needed improvements and so on, by clicking the Comments link in the template. Also, feel free to revise the gradings—the assessments were done quickly, and article quality can change.
Member News
  • Liverpool Scouse has offered to take any desired pictures of the Liverpool area, upon request.
Issue of the Month

The featured article status of The Beatles was revoked.

From the Editors

A month of slow progress and some amazing efforts. Still need help getting comments shifted. Don't forget to log your accomplishments!

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I would gladly, but what´s the link to the newsletter? I can´t find it. Am I being dim? --andreasegde 19:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

category bot

which category you complain about? -- Drini 20:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

It was Entertainers who died in their 40s. I saw the debate for the particular cat, and the No Concensus result, but later found the overall Category CfD - and the Delete result. No problem.LessHeard vanU 20:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
ok, the bot summaries always point the page with the discussion AND the changes being made. I just want to make clear so no misunderstandings remain, that I don't close based on vote counting, since CFD is not a vote. Basically the strong argument is that the category doens't have as much significance as birthyear categories, for instance. People born on the same year, share cultural background, etc, whereas people dying at the same age may share practically no common circumstances, therefore it's not a very meaningful way of grouping people. Therefore the decission. -- Drini 20:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I now understand. I only saw the result for the specific cat ("...40s") first - and had a friendly Admin point me toward the more appropriate place. I watch a lot of musician articles, and a great many die young, so I suddenly had a few hits on my watchlist. I'm learning.LessHeard vanU 20:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 6, October 2006


WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 006 – October 2006
Beatles News
  • The site of the former Casbah Club, operated by Mona Best (mother of Pete) in the basement of her house, and where the nascent Beatles played and rehearsed, has been accorded Grade II Listed status following a recommendation by British Heritage.
Project News
  • Some Project articles are having their Featured Article status reviewed, and the comments are not encouraging. The articles are A Day in the Life and A Hard Day's Night (song). (She Loves You has already had its FA status revoked.) Please participate in the discussion and help improve the articles!
  • In other Project news, the articles The Beatles trivia and John Lennon were nominated for deletion, presumably as vandalism, but the deletions were quickly vetoed.
Member News
  • New members to the project since the last issue include I Am The Walrus and NaLaochra.
  • As usual, the self-effacing individuals who contribute to the Project are far too modest to mention any Barnstars or other awards they may have received. Obviously they feel their editing/contributing is reward enough.
Issue of the Month

The lead article of the Project recently lost its FA status, and now some of the other articles are being reviewed. Citations and references within articles are again the major concern. Contributors who have literature (books, magazines, links, etc.) are especially needed to provide the necessary citations. It is not enough for editors to know the facts; they need to be backed up by other sources. All help, both within the articles and the discussion, would be appreciated.

From the Editors

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Hi, just got your message. Sorry I was unable to help but we were being run off our feet, (and wheels!) haven't had time to scratch me elbow! Cheers pal, Vera, Chuck & Dave 10:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


vandalism

No probs - I would have left it, but it was all in capitals (which from my vandalism patroling is quite common)and I thought that Egg was supposed to be insulting (Egghead?). I realise now that its probably an in joke! Take care Mammal4 07:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Update to Template:Update_after

Hi! I've made changes to Template:Update after (it now links to Category:Wikipedia articles in need of updating and As of), and made significant changes to the documentation at Template:Update_after (including documenting the built-in ability to add a comment, and a changes in where it's allowable to be used); please review, and provide comments at Template talk:Update after if you think any are appropriate. Thanks! --Scott McNay 03:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC).

I agree

(I counted to ten, then on to twenty, bit my lip and removed my previous response.) Good grief - that made me laugh a lot. How often have I thought that I should do that? (I'm still laughing...) Brilliant.... :) --andreasegde 17:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I did (and laughed a lot) but I thought it wise to not feed him. I doffed my cap, tugged my forelock, and made my apologies. As he doesn't sign in, I wonder who he really is?
BTW, thanks a lot for the compliment. It really made my day. (I'm glad I didn't add the comment, "Which hand does he scratch his arse with?") That would have really made him hopping-mad... :) --andreasegde 19:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, it's very simple really. After all the work that Andreasedege had put into the article, you get Kingboyk come in, move the goal posts, then someone else says that he should be greatful they've been moved! He's pissed off, I'm pissed off, then to top it all he dosen't stand his ground, and backs down. I know we're all different, but I always stand my ground, and I would never have done anymore work until the pair of them had apologised.
Well I don't know who said that but they totally and utterly missed the point. This is a wiki. Anyone can edit, and anyone can make major changes. I didn't do it for a laugh, I did it to help create a better article. And, you know what, the article is taking shape very nicely now with a structure we've all agreed on - and it looks rather like the new structure I put in which caused all the fuss in the first place.
Yes, I changed the goal posts a bit: I had the strikers aim at Featured Article not "in 1958 he did this, in 1959 he did this, in 1960" snoozefest crud. --kingboyk 15:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, how many names on the participants list? 50 odd? And how many of them have made any constructive contributions, 6? 7? No, I don't think that the project is the right place for someone of my temprament (and training) Take care, best wishes, Vera, Chuck & Dave 17:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Norrifa catch yer first la! Take care, Vera, Chuck & Dave 02:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The Beatles

Hola, it was patent vandalism and I reverted my self because I mistook the edit. This was the afd nom summary--What\'s all the hype? This was a stupid quartet of dumb drugged up fags from the start. --BishNit85 22:34, ...' (and the only contributor was 'BishNit85')). Thanks.--Dakota 00:04, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

...for your kind message. Funny that, my wife said I should have used me head! Oh BTW, you mean we get issued with axes then? Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 04:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Cornwall WikiProject

Does SW Kerrier include or exclude Gweek, please? ===Vernon White (talk) 23:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Gweek

I did some modifications to this page, following a guided tour with the Constantine History Group. However, if you are interested in Gweek, I'll move the boundary of South EAST Cornwall to the edge of Constantine Civil Parish. Going to bed now. Goodnight! === Vernon White (talk) 00:22, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Macca

Yeah, that's what Macca said. I didn't want to put too much in, but I could explain it a bit more, such as them knowing Epstein was "queer", but not caring about it too much. What d'think? --andreasegde 22:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

It was from McCartney's own words, and from Barry Miles's book, which was written with the full co-operation of McCartney. I quoted/paraphrased/referenced it exactly as was said. I see no reason (in this day and age) why it should be a sensitive area. (I noticed that it was mentioned (in passing) on Epstein's page, which I thought was 'queer', if you'll pardon the expression. :) --andreasegde 04:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 7, November 2006


WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 007 – November 2006
Issue of the Month

Again, the issue of the month is inline citations. A Day in the Life, A Hard Day's Night (song), and Get Back have all been defeatured, as they failed to satisfy criterion 1(c) of What is a featured article?, and other song FAs are due for the chopping block. Inline citations are an important aspect of articles—they ensure verifiability and reliability, and they remove original research. Additionally, they give readers the option to read the original source material and view it within context.

Basically:

  1. All direct quotations attributed to Beatles members pooled from interviews need full inline citations.
  2. All critical comments about songs or albums need full inline citations to notable music critics, magazines opinions, or reviews, as opposed to being merely comments by Wikipedians.
  3. Inline citations need: author name, article name, publication date, and name of publication. Such info is still preferable even if quoting from an interview posted upon a website; when this is the case, place the URL link at the end of the citation with the date it was last accessed. (This will help editors retrieve the page using the Wayback Machine, should the link go dead in the future.)
Beatles News
  • The Beatles are due to release a soundtrack album, LOVE, at the end of November, as a companion to their Cirque du Soleil adaptation of the same name. It will feature remastered and remixed versions of their previously released songs, including some new medleys.
  • Paul's getting a divorce. Pain, arguing, and fighting abound.
Project News
  • The Wings tours are really nicely documented now (see Category:Wings tours), but Category:The Beatles tours is almost empty. Kingboyk and the rest of us would love to see (and read) articles on each Beatles tour, including the pre-fame tours of the UK—and the Hamburg trips, of course!
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Paul McCartney, involved in the Featured Article drive, as mentioned above.
Member News
  • Our project members are too modest to report any awards they may have given or received.
From the Editors

Wherever possible, editors should help to trim down on list-like prose within Beatles articles. They should convert list-like sections into fluent, cohesive prose which ties an article's sections together. Lists make articles disjointed, awkward, and difficult to read.

Be sure to take part in the Featured Article drive, and don't forget those inline citations!

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