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[edit] Welcome to the Wikipedia

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Best of luck, and have fun!

ClockworkSoul 08:13, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Great work on Bang Rak, do I guess right that you are from that Khet? I've also invested a lot of work on the article about my hometown Hemer - and as soon as my language skills improve I will create a Thai version of that one as well, even though probably only very few will ever read it :-) If you plan to do more Khet articles, you can tell me in advance, so I will then prepare the maps. BTW: I guess you already discovered them, but just in case - the List of Thailand-related topics and the Wikipedia:Thailand-related topics notice board are probably helpful links for a Thai wikipedian. andy 20:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes, I live there. For other Khet, I could only do a few that's are near my home where I have better idea of what's around. Pathum Wan, Sathon and Samphanthawong comes to mind. Lerdsuwa 10:13, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Just in case I have now uploaded those maps. But it's also nice if you add more articles on the major landmarks in Bang Rak, especially the Assumption Cathedral would be interesting - I didn't succeed to find enough english material to start that article myself yet. andy

[edit] Yangon

Hello, you may be interested in voting on whether the article Yangôn should be moved to Yangon. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 21:16, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

I see the page has already been moved. I support the Yangon name too. Lerdsuwa 16:54, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Greetings from a Dutch wikipedian in Huay Kwang (Ratchada). Waerth 09:57, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Nice to meet you too -- Lerdsuwa 12:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bangkok building

Thanks for fixing the photo info on Commons. Can you perhaps also identify this building, which the Flickr uploader has, I believe wrongly, called the French Embassy?--Eloquence* 11:31, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

It's definitely not French Embassy (due to the Thai flag on the top). It should be some kind of old government building, need to do some more searching. -- Lerdsuwa 16:31, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bangkok Yai

There must be a typo in the year number when Bangkok Yai became a King Amphoe, as it is now not chronologically. I also wonder on the wording "king amphoe of amphoe" - are king amphoe partially still dependend on another amphoe? andy 22:01, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, the english DOPA site [1] doesn't mention the fact that King Amphoe are also a partial subordinate of Amphoe. I have added that fact into Amphoe already (can you check if the wording fits). Maybe I now have to create a special template for the King Amphoe infobox to add the reference to the "parent amphoe", including the one in Thai. andy 12:25, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Seal of Khet

I have noticed on the webpage of the khet Dusit and Bang Sue that apparently each Khet have their own seal, similar to the seals of the provinces. Does every Amphoe and Khet have one? As it was already very difficult to find good depictions as well as the description of the meaning for the provincial seals, does it have any publication about this topic in Thai? Or is it same difficult to find as information about the provincial flags? BTW: In case you haven't noticed - all khet articles are already translated to German, and the translator team (de:Benutzer:Hdamm and de:Benutzer:Media lib) need new things to translate :-) I hope you will continue with that good work when you return from your trip. andy 12:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thai people interwiki links

Hello again, and thanks for the Sukhumvit information. Do you know if the Thai Wikipedia has articles on Mechai Viravaidya, Chuwit Kamolvisit or Pornthip Rojanasunand? I would like to set up interwiki links. Cheers, AxelBoldt 19:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Soi

Could I bother you one more time? In soi we say that a soi is normally referred to as "Sukhumvit Soi 4" whereas in [2] they use "Soi Sukhumvit 4". Which one is more common? Also, is the information in the wikitravel article regarding addresses correct, e.g. "25 Soi Sukhumvit 4" is the 25th house in the 4th soi of Sukhumvit Road? Thanks, AxelBoldt 21:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your explanations! Have a nice day. AxelBoldt 16:33, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bang Rak map

Really great map, much better than those locator maps I usually do. I am looking forward to the later improved versions of the map, as well as maps for the other districts. As you now do the districts of Bangkok systematically - how about setting up a Wikipedia:WikiProject Thai districts like the Wikipedia:WikiProject Thai provinces I made when I started with the provinces long time ago. Sadly that one did not help to attract any helpers at that time, so finally I had to create the province articles alone, but for the Amphoe/Khet there are many more articles to be done, and also many more Thai people active now. Maybe its helpful to create an outline of a complete district article, even though most article will only feature a subset of the topics possible. andy 18:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

At least it would serve as a good place to centralize discussion on district article contents. Right now a little bit is at Talk:Amphoe Mueang Samut Prakan, as that was the first one User:Waerth created when he started with creating Amphoe stubs. Even though I doubt a project would attract new users by itself, at least if there are newcomers from Thailand such a project would be helpful to give them ideas or guideline in case they want to create something. And there are already several people who work (or worked) on Amphoe - the two of us, Waerth (who gave up after two provinces :-)), and User:Hdamm and User:Media_lib who translate (and create) Amphoe articles on de:. And also a few on the Thai wikipedia, especially th:User:Potapt (but don't know if he speaks english enough to join in dicussion). But I also have enough things I want to finish before going on vacation, so I wouldn't start that page before mid-February. Another thing I also want to do, but haven't due to lack of time, is to make a Portal:Thailand. BTW: January 22nd would also be possible for me. andy 16:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Thailand

Hi Lerdsuwa. Sorry about the revert - I could have sworn it was vandalism! Especially names like Big Ass and Silly Fools. Keep up the good work! Gobeirne 18:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem. :) -- Lerdsuwa 16:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Khet status

Just a hint - you don't need to create a template in the template: namespace for that, a subarticle of the Wikiproject page would do the same. Every article with a "/" automagically can also be a template. For example you can simple type {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Thai districts/Bangkok}} and the complete contents of that page will be included. The template namespace should be only used for templates which are used in actual articles, not in meta pages. Thus I'd suggest to move the template to Wikipedia:WikiProject Thai districts/Status template - only drawback is that it's a "little" bit longer to type than at it's preset location. andy 21:09, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sathon

Interesting I hadn't noticed it yet. Will look at some new maps today see if they take it over. Waerth 05:49, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation request

Maybe you can help that polish guy at User talk:JamaicanFlava? andy 19:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Pai

I appreciate you not editing the truth of the Farang invading Pai. It is not a negative occurance (my dad is one of the offending farang) yet some would censor it. Much luck to you.

[edit] History of Thailand after 1973

thanks for help edit on "history of thailand after 1973".

[edit] Sawasdee!

Hello, I found your user page through this image. I'm a contributor over on wikinews, and if you look at our Thailand portal you'll see I've tried to cover the political situation from what I can get from English language sources. Any Thai Wikimedians who could contribute towards the wiki's coverage of the events - particularly the upcoming elections - would be most welcome. Pictures would be among the things that would be great to get, as I'm a long way away from events on the ground. --Brianmc 23:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ayutthaya Province

Hi, please have a look over at Ayutthaya Province, under "Symbols". I doubt, that the "provincial slogan" is the one cited, as my understanding of Thai language produces a different translation. The corresponding Thai page (th:จังหวัดพระนครศรีอยุธยา also has a different sogan? --hdamm 14:57, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I just want to say I appreciate the work you have done, especially on the districts of Bangkok, and other articles related to Thailand. I have learned a lot about the Kingdom from them, as well as a lot about Wikipedia. Thanks again! Wisekwai 16:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sakon

what means "Sakon"? why is it Sakon Nakhon and not Nakhon Sakon, like for other Nakhon's: Talk:Sakon Nakhon Province Tobias Conradi (Talk) 01:42, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bangkok Noi map

I am still impressed with the quality of your district maps. However for the Bangkok Noi map there's a little mistake - while the landmark for the Thonburi Railway Station is correct, the line now terminates on the other side of Thanon Arun Amarin. Also, I think it'd be a good idea to add the location of the district office and the district museum to these maps - in the case of Bangkok Noi both very close to Wat Suwannaram. andy 11:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Great. I have now adjusted the SVG slightly, as the museum is at a slightly different location. Also the train station is now named "Bangkok Noi station", not Thonburi anymore. However I haven't updated the PNG... andy 16:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ayutthaya

I just visited your country and was throughly impressed with the culture, cuisine and people of Thailand. The thing that stuck me most was that on the road when drivers would make a mistake, like by cutting in front of you, they ask for forgiveness immediately. This is unlike anywhere else in the world.

I see you removed connection of Rama of Hindu mythology with thai kings. When I was in thailand I was told that thai kings hold this connection very dearly. To prove there point the guides took me to various palaces where scenes from Ramayana were depicted in greate detail as painting and drawings. Which article should this information be added to?

I am still not sure. It seems like an amazing co-incidence that one dynasty called there capital Ayutthaya (after Ayodhya of Hindu God Rama) and a later dynasty calls all its kings Rama and there is no connection between the two? Do you find it odd?

[edit] Wat Luang

Hi Lerdsuwa. I'm about to translate th:วัดไทย, which is a list of "Wat Luang". I know, that a "Wat Luang" means, this temple has been founded (or renovated?) by a member of the royal family. I know also, that it implies the founder to be "responsible" for this temple. My question is about "1st class", "2nd class" or "3rd class" (ชั้นเอก, ชั้นโท, งชั้นตรี). In my library I cannot find any hint on this, also my Thai friend, who lives nextdoor, doesn't seem to know. Can you explain the difference to me? And what does this "responsible" mean? Is it just giving funds for renovation of buildings or does the donor also support the monks on their daily pindabat? Thanks for your time. --hdamm 16:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. I will include it into the translation of this article. --hdamm 11:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rajamangala University of Technology

I am here because you are listed as a native speaker of Thai, and this page is apparently in Thai and needs translation or at least a comment on whether it is worth translating. Please comment at Wikipedia:Pages_needing_translation_into_English#Rajamangala_University_of_Technology. Thank you, and happy editing! Kusma (討論) 18:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the translation! Kusma (討論) 19:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Modern Dog

Thanks for your comments on Modern Dog. I was able to track down another reference and added in some info about the bass player. I've also been active in adding articles on GMM Grammy and BEC-TERO, which could probably use the eyes of someone who's more knowledgeable than I am about Thai rock music. -Wisekwai 16:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ko Sichang

Hi Lerdsuwa. Would you please take a look at Amphoe Ko Sichang. I'm not sure whether the transliteration of the name of the royal summer palace and its name in Thai is correct? --hdamm 10:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Loso/Sek Loso

Hi Lerdsuwa. What are your thoughts on merging the the Loso/Sek Loso pages? My thought is that together, the one article would be a stronger article and the page would be a one-stop shop for folks looking for information about Sek Loso or Loso. If they are merged, should be page be named Loso or Sek Loso? Wisekwai 19:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Sawasdee Khrup. Loso and Sek Loso are merged. In doing so, I came up with a couple of questions: What does his song, "Pantip", refer to? The plaza or the website? What's it about? Do you know of a body or agency that independently certifies album sales in Thailand, or are the sales figures just reported by the record companies? I have Sek Loso: The Collection and have started to get into some of the songs. -Wisekwai 06:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pru

I have put together an article about Pru (Thai band), and I was wondering if you'd be interested in having a look? I'm not overly familiar with the band, and I'd appreciate knowing more about its sound, titles of popular songs, etc. --Wisekwai 16:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asanee-Wasan

If you want, have a look at a new article on Asanee-Wasan. One thing I am unsure of is exactly when the band started. They had a 20th anniversary concert this year, but it seems they have been around a lot longer than that, especially if their career as The Isn't (one of the all-time great names for a rock band) is counted. So what does the 20th anniversary celebrate? Their signing to Grammy, perhaps? -Wisekwai 20:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Map Phra Nakhon.png

Hi Lerdsuwa. Thank you for this wonderful map of Phra Nakhon, I appreciate the work you have for all those Bangkok-maps.

Just one suggestion: maybe you could add a little red dot for the ป้อมพระสุเมรุ? Its so plain yellow in that corner up there. Oh, and maybe also some green for the "Santichaiphrakarn-Park"? Wat Thepthidaram? And ... and ...   ;-)  Thank you very much. --hdamm 13:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phu Thai ethnic minority

Hello Lerdsuwa. While editing de:Renu Nakhon I stumbled upon the page th:อำเภอเรณูนคร. Under "ประเพณีท้องถิ่น" is a description of what I understand as "Phu Thai ethnic minority". I'm puzzled by the writing ชาวผู้ไทย. I'm not sure, but shouldn't it be written as ชาวผู้ไท ?

Oh, and do you know anything about their "Bai-Si-Su-Kwan ceremony" (Thai writing)? Some Internet-page mentioned it, but I couldn't find anything else about it? --hdamm 08:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your contribution. --hdamm 16:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contributions to September 2006 Thailand military coup d'état

Thanks for your good work on this. Keep safe! -- ChrisO 19:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] British post office in Bangkok

I am removing the following statement of yours from the article: "After the post office were closed, the B overprinted postage stamps remained in use in nearby countries for some time until the stock exhausted." I don't know of any support for this view. Stamps of this kind bearing a postmark later than July 1, 1885 are generally regarded as fakes or forgeries. Eclecticology 21:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Your addition is intriguing. It certainly establishes the point you were making. Can you add in a scan of that cover? This certainly seems like an irregular usage. Who sent the letter, and to whom was it addressed? Was the postage consistent with contemporary postage rates for Singapore? It is likely that the person sending the letter was previously on staff at the consulate in Bangkok? It's hard to imagine that this was a legitimate usage. The stamp may have been actually used to mail the letter, and it's conceivable that "B" on this stamp was completely ignored by the postal authorities at the time. Eclecticology 20:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the scan. It's very interesting. Do you know if there were any markings on the back of the envelope? Name of the sender? Arrival markings? I'm inclined to think that the cover was a fake, or at least produced with a philatelic motivation.

By itself the use of the "B" overprints (which I assume to be legitimate) two and a half years after it stopped being usable in Bangkok can be explained by the use of remainder stocks, but I would also note the following:

  1. The stamps have a pen cancel dated December 5, 1887, but the Singapore circular date stamp is dated two days earlier.
  2. The Singapore c.d.s. only barely touches the right hand "B" stamp. Whether it really touches would probably take close examination of the original.
  3. The double ring Singapore handstamp was never meant to be a cancelling device. It was primarily used on stampless letters. According to Robson Lowe (p.303), in black it was "commonly found on letters to Europe sent "via Marseilles" 1858-66 as letters by this route could not be pre-paid." It was regularly used by the Indian Government Post Office, and stopped being used when Straits Settlements stamps were first issued in 1867. This is 20 years before the cover in question.
  4. Thomas Ridpath was a stamp dealer. He was also associated with the "discovery" of the British Guiana penny magenta, and the inverted centre 24¢ value of the 1869 United States pictorial issue.

The Zurich Asia Auction on Dec. 7, 2004 at http://www.bennettstamps.com/cgi-bin/viewchap.pl?site=2&sale=9&chapter=18&page=1&lang=1 makes reference at lot #687 to the cover that you show. It was sold at auction by Robson Lowe (Zurich) in 1984. I don't know if there were ever any expertizing reports on this item, but I am duly suspicious. Eclecticology 20:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the additional info. It at least makes one of the points that I was criticizing a little more plausible. It still doesn't alter my basic theory that the cover was put together in 1887 for the sole purpose of creating a philatelic rarity. As long as the stamps themselves are genuine it is not a forgery. Nevertheless, it can be a fake. It is not unusual for philatelists to create these questionable items for the sake of selling them at a premium. I'll need to look into Ridpath's reputation. Eclecticology 20:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caliper animation: Image:Using the caliper_new.gif

The flaw you have noticed in my caliper animation is now fixed. Tank you you. Alvesgaspar 23:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Thai districts/Bangkok vicinity

Thanks for continuing that status list I started. I have now already started to go through these articles to fill the holes, especially enlarge the administration section with the thesaban, villages and population data. andy 16:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Aquarium Fishes

Hello there, my Thai fellow :-) I saw your contribution to the loach articles. Just want to let you know that the WikiProject Aquarium Fishes has been set up recently. You said in your user page that you are interested in aquarium, so I wonder if you'd also be interested in joining the project. Thank you and take care !! --Melanochromis 04:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big Ass

Hi, I had a couple of questions over at Talk:Big Ass. Cheers, AxelBoldt 05:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for clearing that up. Do you also happen to know about the age of consent in Thailand, and why he could be charge with child sex offenses even though she was 17 years old? AxelBoldt 17:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Lerdsuwa, I wanted to follow up on AxelBoldt's discussion on the Thai Band Big Ass article (Talk:Big Ass); the section about Khun Ekarat's ("Dax") paternity claims. I've read the cited manager.co.th articles, and pretty clearly BigAss' Dax was arrested for (what I'll call) "underage sex", maybe "having sex with a minor". But, the age of consent in Thailand is 15, 17 for marriage and 18 for 'sex workers'. Can you elaborate on the (apparent) contradition? Citation #2 (the 28 Feb 2006 manager.co.th article) "...ในข้อหาพรากผู้เยาว์ กรณีมีความสัมพันธ์กับหญิงสาวอายุเกิน 15 แต่ไม่ถึง 18 ปี ..." roughly "... sex with a girl age more than 15 but not (til/upto) 18 years...". The facts of the situation aren't so much at question, but the interpretation "...It meant that Dax is a child sex offender if the accusation was true..." is a bit harsh. And, taken without additional reference, would suggest to any reader that sex with someone under 18 is illegal in Thailand, and that the guy had broken the law, which he may not have done. - Thaimoss 22:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe there's a relatively new law against sex with persons between 15 and 18 and the age-of-consent sites all over the internet haven't been updated yet? AxelBoldt 02:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Having sex with someone under 18 is indeed illegal in Thailand. Dax was arrested by police for the accusation. The offender will get jail sentence. Having sex with someone under 15 will get much longer jail time. The exception is marriage and that requires permission from parents. From your quote "พรากผู้เยาว์" means "child sex abuse". -- Lerdsuwa 13:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I added that information to Age of consent in Asia#Thailand. Would you have a citation for the law? That would really help, since all the information about Thai age of consent laws on the web seems to be wrong. AxelBoldt 18:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I can only find Thai version. The full criminal law is at http://www.kodmhai.com/m2/m2-2/thailaw2-2.html and the relevant section about sexual abuse is at this page: http://www.kodmhai.com/m2/m2-2/m2-309-321.html for Section 317 (age not over 15, with or without consent), 318 (age 15-18 without consent) and 319 (age 15-18 with consent)
  • Section 317 Those who takes child age not over 15 years old from parent or guardian, 3-15 years sentence and 6000-30000 baht fine. This includes those who buys, sells or acquires child obtained via the earlier means. If it's for profit or obscenity, 5-20 years sentence and 10000-40000 baht fine.
  • Section 318 Those who takes child age over 15 but not over 18 years old from parent or guardian without child's consent, 2-10 years sentence and 4000-20000 baht fine. This includes those who buys, sells or acquires child obtained via the earlier means. If it's for profit or obscenity, 3-15 years sentence and 6000-30000 baht fine.
  • Section 319 Those who takes child age over 15 but not over 18 years old from parent or guardian with child's consent for profit or obscenity, 2-10 years sentence and 4000-20000 baht fine. This includes those who buys, sells or acquires child obtained via the earlier means.
-- Lerdsuwa 16:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch, that should help a lot. I copied it over to Talk:Ages of consent in Asia. Several people there have mentioned sections 279 and 283. Are they relevant at all? AxelBoldt 18:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Lerdsuwa, Thanks for the amplification. Spoke with a Thai colleague on same topic, and the "permission of the parents" component played strongly (although, she admitted not knowing the law fully). Interesting. (More interesting she was already fully aware of this story, from last year, apparently a pretty big story in the entertainment world there). The permission aspect sort of suggested that miserable risk area of a change of mind where "permission" is revoked, or was never given (but perhaps implied), etc. Interesting perspective on the differnces in nations' laws. Thanks mostly for the translation of that phrase, I didn't know it, and didn't want to assume (but was hoping you'd pick up on it, which is why I included it.). - Thaimoss 22:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Do we know how old the girl was when the alleged sex acts occurred? AxelBoldt 09:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

According to the reference http://www.manager.co.th/Entertainment/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9490000023632 they had sex when she was 16. She was 17 when the story broke out. -- Lerdsuwa 16:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I added it to the Big Ass article. On Talk:Ages of consent in Asia someone wrote that criminal law #283 might be applicable, it talks about persons between 15 and 18. I'll try to find out more on the Thai Wikipedia. Cheers, AxelBoldt 18:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Pramong Nomjai pictures

Hi khun Lerdsuwa, seems like you have been to the fair. I really envy you because I'm so far away and couldn't go to any of these fairs at all. The flowerhorn and the red Texas cichlid images are very pretty. Just wonder if you have more pictures of other show fish? Vieja synspila (ปลาหมอซินสไปลุ่ม) and blood parrot cichlid could use a good picture, so do various other cichlid and goldfish articles. Cheers, --Melanochromis 03:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thai cichlids are all about crossbreeds these days. But I'm sure they'll be great pictures and we will find a way to use them. Anyway, here's the latest newsletter of WikiProject Aquarium Fishes. Just in case you are interested. --Melanochromis 01:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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