Talk:Lenny Murphy
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[edit] Serial killer
I've reverted the category again. To quote the text on the category page: "Serial killers are individual people who have a history of multiple slayings of individuals usually unknown to them beforehand. Their crimes are committed as a result of a compulsion that invariably has roots in the killer's (often dysfunctional) youth, as opposed to those who are motivated by financial gain (e.g. contract killers) or ideological/political motivations (e.g. terrorist)." Stu ’Bout ye! 07:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- Is your issue the lack of the requisite slaying or the motivation? John (User:Jwy talk) 21:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- It's mainly motivation. The description of a serial killer specifically excludes terrorism. There are terrorist incidents listed in Mass murder, but they are all single incidents with large numbers of victims. I don't think there's a category that fits Murphy, unless someone wants to create Category:Scumbags who are better off dead. Stu ’Bout ye! 07:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- The article currently doesn't directly claim him to be a terrorist (it used to, but its been toned down). There does seem to be a continuum between "political terrorist" and "homicidal maniac." If I had to draw a line (based on this article, its my only introduction to the "gentleman") I'm not sure how far, if at all, toward the terrorist side of the line he would be on. It seems as if his psychological problem just happened to line up with one side of the political battle. So I would suggest he might fit the category. John (User:Jwy talk) 12:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- It's mainly motivation. The description of a serial killer specifically excludes terrorism. There are terrorist incidents listed in Mass murder, but they are all single incidents with large numbers of victims. I don't think there's a category that fits Murphy, unless someone wants to create Category:Scumbags who are better off dead. Stu ’Bout ye! 07:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Terrorist is one of the Words to avoid. It might have been me that changed it to paramilitary. A Google search for "Lenny Murphy" and "serial killer" doesn't come up with any reliable sources, just a lot of Wiki mirrors and a university paper. I do take your point that he may have been a killer whether the Troubles had happened or not though. I would be happy for some text to be inserted about the arguments for and against him being a serial killer, but it would have to be sourced and that could prove difficult. Stu ’Bout ye! 13:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- I see your point, although the google thing is not really applicable unless we want to question the definition of the category. The issue rests, then, on how much his motivation was "ideological/political." Sorting that out from a personal obsession about Catholics is beyond what I am motivated to do. I'm not that interested in delving much further into this "scumbag." Thanks for your considered responses. John (User:Jwy talk) 14:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
