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I'm not sure about italicising titles in bullet-pointed lists which are expressly lists of titles. Reads a bit oddly to me. I won't mod it back, though...
[edit] Neutral point of view
Using the word extreme is the essence of judgement -"extreme right-wing organizations". mokru
[edit] OK, just one question
Who exactly is this "Beatrice"? We always hear a great deal about her, but we never hear who she is.
- This seems very likely the correct allusion for Beatrice. --Guest_itsabob
some people say that Beatrice was the Baudelaires mother but that wouldn't work unless Lemony Snicket is their father because he said he loved her. She was a volunteer because he said he remembered her standing by the window of the headquarters making salad or something.
I think that she is a person who Lemony LOVED very much who was also looking into the three children's case of evil and sadness and she found to much or knew something and was killed some way by Count Olaf. I mean in book 5 when there are 3 pictures about her there is a fire, a type writer, and finally a woman ( most likely Beatrice ) So that COULD MEAN that she herd of the fire, then typed out the Orphans story, and then was killed. SO it in my opinion was merley another one on the case who was hot on the trail and the count put her out cold.
Beatrice COULD have been really the Baudelaires deceased mother, they are both presumed dead (though it is very unlikely) because Lemony Snicket did not actually marry her for various reasons. HyperHobbes 14:13, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Beatrice is obiously Snicket's lover, but there isn't much else I can say about her.--The Republican 00:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Beatrice possibly could be the Baudelaires mother because L. Snicket never married her, in fact he was banned from seeing her.--athlongirl 68.94.235.220 13:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
I bet she's the Baudelaire's mother. Hints have been dropped that she died in fire, and her house burned down in the same fire. She worked as a VFD member, and so did the Baudelaire's mother. Am I making sense?
Ive just downloaded "13 Shocking Secrets youll wish you never knew about Lemony Snicket" from his publishers website, which give some interesting information, such as that Lemony Snicket is one of the orphans, givign me the idea that beatrice is Isadora Quagmire?
That is totally wrong, first of all, he can't be one of the orphans because he has a brother and a sister, not two sisters. Seocnd of all if kit snicket was an adult whenthey were still children, that means he was an adult too. But he is AN orphan. (not one of the orphans.) Another interesting point is "Lemony helped beatrice commit a terrible crime before her death." Assited Suicide? Id recommend everyone download the 13 secrets from the HArper COllins website.
I doubt that Beatrice is Mrs. Baudelaire, because I belive that she (Bee) died in the fire at the Duchess of Winipeg's party. (see the Austere Academy & the Unauthorised Autobiography) I think that you also learn Mrs. Baudelaire's first name in book 12. I may be wrong about that, however. -Sluth
It's been hinted theres another woman named Beatrice bauldaire.
The other Beatrice Baudelaire is Kit Snicket's daughter, who was named after the Baudelaire mother. Also, just because Lemony loved Beatrice (the first one) it doesn't mean that she loved him in return. - Leia
I think that she was the Baudelaire's mother because at the end of the 13th book Kit told them to name her child after one of there parents. At the end of the book the last word was Beatrice. They named her after the Baudelaires mother. She died in a fire too. In the book letters to Beatrice it says Beatrice married Lemony Snicket a long time ago. She then got a devorce. Lemony still loves her and always will.-Ryan
Hey this is Ryan again who just figured out what the crime was Lemony help Beatrice was. It is not sucidie. He helped her steal the sugar bowl because in the 12th book Esme said Beatrice stole the sugerbowl from her but in the 8th book Lemony said that he stole the sugerbowl from Esme. I think Daniel is a wicked writer and I will probably never find another writer like him.-Ryan
You are all wrong!!! The horrible crime was the murder of Olaf's parents in "La fortza del Destino" in the theaters lobby, and she told her daughters (Not including Klaus) it was a night she would vever forget.--Klaus Baude 123 00:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Beartrice IS their mother. In the Beatrice Letters, she says that she is related to them AND they have the same last name. (they refers to violet, klaus, and sunny). In The End, the baby's name is Beatrice and she was named afetr their mother. Lemony and Beatrice were probably lovers, but because of "certain issues" they couldn't get married. This was mentioned in The Beatrice Letters. And if Beatrice did die at the Duchess of Winnepeg's party, she probably went there with her husband while the children were at the beach. The Duchess of Winnepeg's house was set on fire at that party. Well you are probabaly wondering how the Baudelaire Mansion got burned don. Well, Count Olaf probably burned that down as well. And the crime Lemony helped her commit WAS the poison dart thing at La Fortza del Destino. Duh. And there is NO possible way that Lemony was one of the orphans, not only because he didn't have 2 sisters but because if he is the same generation as them, then there is no possible way that Kit could be his sister, even though she really is. And also, Lemony was "dead" even though he really wasn't. And the Baudelaire's parent's journal in 13 says that if they had a girl they would name it violet and if they had a boy they would name it lemony. So ha. -Isabel
[edit] "Proudly Jewish"?
"Lemony Snicket is "proudly Jewish", as represented in This News Article"
"This news article" in the introduction is dead, a word which here means, "not functional or yielding of helpful information". With all due respect, a WikiGuest.
- Daniel Handler is Jewish. Lemony Snicket doesn't seem very religious. This should really go on the Daniel Handler article. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 20:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Character Traits
I know expecting logic from Daniel Handler doesn't make sense, but I'll do it anyway-a phrase which here means "doing something illogical while in search of unexisting logic". In any case, am I the only one who thinks that the Baudlaires should be about 29-30 throughout the course of the series, instead of 12-13, 14-15 and ?babyhood-?early childhood?
It has come to my attention that people are immitating the intricate writing styles of Daniel Handler, a phrase which here means " STOP FREEKING TALKING LIKE LEMONY SNICKET!!! " That is all. - a concerned reader.
With all due respect, A Wikiguest (a word which here means one who visits The Wikipedia but has no actual accouont)
- I don't see why; the entire series only lasts about 8 months; The Penultimate Peril for example lasted only 3-4 days. smurrayinchester(User), (Ho Ho Ho!) 21:48, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Penultimate Peril lasted 2 days, actually. Tuesday and Wednsday.
Actually, the series lasts like two years, don't the birthday's give you clues?And what does this have to do with the characters?--Klaus Baude 123 23:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] When and where did it happen?
I think that the series probably happened in the year of 1966 and it was in Australia.
What gives you that idea? The accounts of the locales dont strike me as australian at all.
I doubt if it's Australain, but there are two other possibilities to where it takes place: ONE: [gasp]Nowhere at all! TWO: North America. Why? Look:
Hinterlands (Prairies)
Mortmain Mountains (Rockies)
The sea (Pacific)
It's possible, but the Baudelaires' city is near the sea, so they wouldn't have gone through the Hinterlands before the mountains, but maybe I'm just missing out on something...
Actually, in my oppinion, it takes place in Europe, if you saw the map of the snake cather, it is the Mediterranian, just that tilted a bit, and if you saw the poster in BL you would see two towers, and the time seems like the '40 because of the clothes, the vehicles, the way they talk, and did I mention Lemony is english?--Klaus Baude 123 23:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it could be in Europe. I also think it could be like the midwest-west. Like california-Iowa. But he might have purposely mixed the places up to throw us off track. -Isabel
[edit] "Lemony Snicket" is finished?
The actual message is in fact "He is finished," and I'm going to change it to same as to maintain accuracy. Inmate42 21:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
i CAN SHOW YOU THE COVER OF THE 13TH BOOK
OH GOOD BECAUSE THAT WILL MAKE THE ABOVE STATEMENT LESS TRUE! ALSO I LOVE CAPS LOCK!67.142.130.24 00:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)(Inmate42, just not logged in)
I think it's just because he's finished writing the story. However, Kit's dead, Jacques is dead, Beatrice is dead, Beatrice the Second is looking for him, the Baudelaires have gone missing, so he wouldn't really be very happy, would he? - Leia
(UTC)== Unreliable Narrator? ==
Could Mr. Snicket not be considered an unreliable narrator? He's clearly biased into telling the story in such a way that it glorifies the Baudelaires. 67.142.130.24 00:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
This is fiction. There is no other way to write the Series of Unfortuante Events, as the Baudelaires are the heros. Lemony knows enough to glorify them, so he does, but you'll also notice that when the children get into ethcial grey areas, they fear that they are wicked and don't glorify themselves.
Actually, Daniel himself called LS an unreliable narrarator in the legal stuff for the UA.
--Nero S. Baudelaire 21:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)Lemony is a personal friend of mine,and let me tell you, the story of the Baudelaire orphans is perfectly true. Beatrice was Lemony's love, the Baudelaires did conquer over Count Olaf, and all else is either true or in code.
With all due respect, Nero S. Baudelaire
[edit] What's the Link?
We know that Lemony is working on the Baudelaire case because of Beatrice, whom, according to the Unauthorised Autobiography, had something to do with the Baudelaires, presumably reserching them. But what's the link? Here's what we know:
-Beatrice was a member of VFD
-Esmé Squallor has a snowsuit embroidered with a 'B', presumably for Beatrice
-Esmé has mentioned Beatrice stealing something from her
- Lemony was engaged to Beatrice, but she broke off the engagement because of something she read in The Daily Punctilio. Esmé stated in the twelfth book that Beatrice stole the sugar bowl from her, but in the eighth book Lemony says he was the one who stole it from Esmé.
That dosen't answer my question, though...
im confused
Beatrice and Lemony believed that Olaf would target them if they married, so they didn't. Then Beatrice read the article in Italic textThe Daily PunctilioItalic text and believed Lemony dead. She then met Bertrand Baudelaire and they married.........I think. Actually, I'm pretty sure.
No because in the 13 Shocking secrets about Lemony Snicket it says Lemony helped Beatrice in a horrible crime before her death.-Ryan
Hey ryan again. Beatrice and Lemony were married way before she had her 3 children(Sunny,Klas and Violet). Then Beatrice thought it was too hard so she got a divorce.-Ryan MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
That horrible crime was the murder of Olaf's parents!!! It involved the Snickets, the Baudelairs (Parents) and poison darts.--Klaus Baude 123 23:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rocks
Lemony Snicket rocks. I just thought I should say that. -Isabel
[edit] Deleting external links
For some reason user 216.175.14.85 deleted the external links and see also sections. I've restored them. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 13:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merge with Daniel Handler
Doesn't seem to make much sense to me having a seperate page for the pseudonym, this should be merged with Daniel Handler. Maybe a page should be made for the character with the same name. darkskyz 16:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
See comments on Talk: Daniel Handler. My copy-pasted view:
Merging Handler and Snicket makes little sense, as Snicket is also a significant character in A Series of Unfortunate Events, and the distinction between Snicket as an author and Snicket as a character is highly blurry (if it even exists). It's so much simpler - and in my opinion, makes more sense - to keep information on Lemony Snicket on the Lemony Snicket page, and information about Daniel Handler on the Daniel handler page.
Besides, what information would you class as relating to Snicket the pseudonym, and what relates to Snicket the character? Both the pseudonym and the character are the canonical writer of the books (not just ASOUE but his other works as well), and Handler in his personal appearances presents Snicket as a separate individual rather than a simple pen name. 81.132.183.220 20:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Noted that somebody removed the "Other Works" section temporarily - I'm assuming this was in preparation for a move to the Daniel Handler page. Until or unless a decision is reached to merge elements of the Snicket and Handler pages, information should not be moved between them as though the decision were already reached. 81.132.183.220 19:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bot removes source
Blasted Shadowbot is removing the source for the type-up that is the sole source of information for the Name Origin section. The audio interview it's a type-up of is no longer available without signing up to Salon.com, I think, and the type-up is the only one I know of. Any suggestions for how to get it back up? Shove the type-up onto the forums for The Quiet World or something? This is not linkspam we're talking about, this is a genuine source. 81.132.183.220 19:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
