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Contents 1 What? 2 Etymology 3 Lemonade in Germany 4 Pink Lemonade 5 The Apprentice? Why? 6 Italian lemonade? 7 UK 8 Lemonade from other countries

[edit] What?

The article says in one part, with no citations:

"There is also a variant of Lemonade which is actually peach flavoured ade. The "Peach-Ade" containins no sugar. There has been some controversy over its levels of E951 (Aspartame) artificial sweetener, a possible carcinogen. Many soft drinks contain this chemical, but only in small quantities".

There are so many reasons why this paragraph seems like it should be removed. First of all, "peach-ade", whatever it is, has nothing to do with lemonade. Aspartame, a carcinogen? If you're going to make a statement like that, a citation is definitely mandatory. And I'm pretty sure any aspartame-containing beverage uses it in small quantities.

If no one gives any reason why it ought to stay here in a few days, I'll go ahead and remove it. Ralphael 01:40, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I wholly agree! Ditch it. Theophani 14:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

which language did the word Lemonade come from?

Lemon + http://www.answers.com/-ade "A sweetened beverage"; the -ade suffix ultimately is from Latin. 213.169.5.124 16:20, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lemonade in Germany

Being born and raised in Germany, I have never seen any type of Cola referred to as 'Limonade', which is the German word for 'lemonade'. 'Limonade' generally refers to carbonated soft drinks with typically either orange, lemon, lime, or a combination of these; sometimes other kinds of fruit can be used as well. It can be specified further as 'Orangenlimonade' (orange taste) or 'Zitronenlimonade' (lemon and/or lime taste). Informally, 'Limonade' or, short, 'Limo', refers to the orange variant, while the lemon/lime variants are usually referred to as 'Sprite'. Regionally, I have also heard the name 'Silberlimo' (silver lemonade). The Dutch don't seem to use the term 'lemonade' at all. A carbonated orange soft drink is called 'sinas', or by the brand name 'Sisi'. The lemon / lime variant is called '7-up', or short, 'up' (with a French 'u'). There is also a less sweet, but otherwise identical, lime soft drink, going by the name of 'Spa Citroen'. The syrup + water combination is called 'ranja'.

I am as well born and raised in Germany and in my understanding of the term "Limonade" Cola and cola-like beverages are definitely included. Btw, the German language version of this article also refers to Cola as "Limonade"/lemonade. However, I am afraid that I cannot confirm that the lemon/lime variants are usually referred to as 'Sprite' and I have never ever heard 'Silberlimo'. It seems the use varies in different regions of Germany.

Perhaps seperate sections are in order, according to region? Where are each of you from?--Joel 17:16, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pink Lemonade

I need to know what the origin of pink lemonade is. If the Pink Lemonade entry is going to forward here, then it should definitely have it's own section with a history of the drink. Since there is very little difference in taste, it should most definitely be explained. I am having a debate with friends and we can't find accurate information on the subject, and here I want wikipedia to be my primary source for all of the world's information.

GOSH! WHY IS IT PINK??

WHY PINK??

WHY NOT BLUE?

WHERE DID IT COME FROM?

Traditionally, beet juice. Beets (like lemons) are cheap, and strongly-colored enough that they don't alter the flavor very much. Perhaps it originated with red sumac tisane, though, which has a similar taste and appearance.

I'll go ahead and add this to the article.--Joel 02:17, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've bought pink lemonade concentrate which used grape as the pink coloring; I haven't seen any using beet juice that I can recall. Is that a current coloring, or is it no longer used? H-ko 04:10, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I don't believe beet is used by big companies. I think it is more of the traditional "county fair" recipe.--Joel 02:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

There's also Black Lemonade, made by Skeleteens/Eat Me Foods. Very sour/bitter. Mostly sour though. In fact, it's the most sour lemonade I've ever had, by far. Bluemoose444 05:30, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why, but any reference to pink lemonade seems to have fallen out of the article, even though Pink lemonade redirects to it. This really ought to be remedied. Beet juice is a good start, but when was pink lemonade invented, by whom, and why? What's so special about coloring lemonade pink? --Robotech_Master 18:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

This is the only time wikipedia has failed me. I've always wondered what is pink lemonade. There is no different taste, nor are there pink lemons. So why is it pink, why is there even such a popular variant? It's one thing if a one company made green, blue, red, and other colors, but this is something everyone makes. 71.192.77.222 06:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

As I said before, and this is wild speculation on my part, I believe that pink lemonade began as an effort to make large quantities of imitation sumac beverage. But it may just be that pink is a cheap & easy color to achieve.--Joel 02:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Apprentice? Why?

The stuff about the TV show "The Apprentice" is clearly off-topic. It seems you should say that it's a notable childhood activity to set up a lemonade stand, and then leave it at that. BrianGCrawfordMA 20:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Italian lemonade?

My husband and I have bought citrus sodas imported from Italy - lemon-flavored limonata, and a grapefruit flavored one which name I can't remember right now. We've used both to make shandys - much, much better than 7-up or Sprite, which are both much sweeter. I assume that since the lemon flavored sodas were from Italy, that limonata is their "lemonade" - is that right? H-ko 04:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UK

"In the UK, it more often refers to a carbonated (fizzy) drink, sometimes lemon-flavoured, comparable to but excluding the brands 7-Up or Sprite, which are lemon-and-lime flavoured. The combination of lemonade and beer produces a shandy. The drink that Americans call lemonade is relatively rare in the UK, where it is generally known as "real lemonade""

I contest most of this:

• lemonade is always lemon-flavoured — otherwise why on earth would it be called lemonade?
• what do Sprite and 7-Up have to do with anything?
• "real lemonade" is lemonade made with lemons, aka "lemonade"

Njál 01:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I've started editing this article, but most of it's irrelevant crap. "In the United States, it is common for children to sell lemonade on the streets as a first business, symbolic of the American entrepreneurial spirit." Honestly. 02:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

So what exactly is the difference between the default meaning for lemonade in the UK vs US; is it only the fizz or also the colour? (In Australia the other difference is that lemonade is transparent, not like the cloudy American stuff.) And I doubt the Sprite has any real lemon juice, just lemon flavouring. Is Sprite ever referred to as lemonade in the UK? If not we could just leave out all mention. Nick 03:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I've heard Sprite being called lemonade by ?American/?Australian GAP year students working in tourist area bars, but not by anyone from the UK. I don't think colour has much to do with it -- usually cloudy lemonade is home-made (so has pulp in it), and clear lemonade is shop-bought (and less likely to contain real lemon). Njál 22:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

They couldn't have been Americans, they would call it 'Sprite' as lemonade means flat and cloudy to them. Must have been Aussies (or maybe Kiwis). Nick 02:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Njál. I am UK-based and I was amazed at the claims in this article. Lemonade is a non-alcoholic drink flavoured with lemons here: it can be either flat and cloudy, ie the variety currently described as "North American", or fizzy and clear. The Concise Oxford Dictionary definition: "lemonade: noun. 1 an effervescent or still drink made from lemon juice. 2 a synthetic substitute for this". The OED would be better for definitive UK proof, but I don't have the OED sitting next to me (alas).

I'd make a three-way distinction: 1) clear and fizzy; 2) cloudy and fizzy; 3) cloudy and still. The first two are the variety you find on the shelf, with the second described as 'cloudy lemonade' more often than 'American'; the third is the home-made recipe you'll find in old British recipe books. Holgate 11:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I only came to this article because I am making lemonade at the moment (lemon juice, sugar and water, no fizz!) and wondered if a picture was needed, but I couldn't let this pass.

Telsa (talk) 15:16, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to seem argumentative, but there is indeed a real mythos around lemonade stands in North America. The image of children selling lemonade, while not so common these days, is, in a kitschy sort of way, reminescent of the 50s and the American way of life. Compare with baseball, apple pie, etc. Just imagesearch Google for "kids selling lemonade". I would argue that it should at least be mentioned in passing in the article. --24.201.253.66 22:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. The lemonade stand as symbolic of school-age capitalism, 'if you've got lemons, make lemonade', etc. There's a cultural context to lemonade in the US that absolutely needs to be included. Holgate 11:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

In the UK shandy is traditionally a mixture of ginger beer and beer. A mixture of lemonade and beer is correctly known as a "bastard shandy".

[edit] Lemonade from other countries

Why removing references about lemonade recipes from other countries?? Saulo Paiva 26 December 2006

Because these didn't say very much about the subject. It is irrelevant that words like "lemonade" may or may not be used in languages other than English to describe the same or similar drinks. Lemonade/limonade happens to be a generic word for soft drink/soda in many languages that has nothing to do with the term as it is used in English. (Of course, the history of lemonade, referring to its origins in France, is relevant to that drink.)

The article needs to focus on the two main kinds of lemonade (clear fizzy and cloudy flat), and any other less common variants (such as Australian cloudy fizzy lemonade). Drinks such as lemon squash and citrus soda are dealt with in separate articles (See also). ProhibitOnions ^(T) 18:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it is relevant. The lemonade we have in Brazil is an important drink here. So are the drinks in Iran, Poland, wherever... Discussing only the two main kinds of lemonade is an anglo-centric (I refer to the language) attitude. They are different drinks with the same name, but this name is the only name used here, so it is important at least to have a citation. I think people from other countries who contributed with the article (like me) can be offended if they return to the article and do not find what they have written here because it's not the same drink. Got the point? Its very frustrating when you try to contribute and do your best and someone cut decent content out. And your reason dont convince me. It's better to try to adequate the whole article trying to use the content than cutting it out without a debate about it. And it is a lot of content!

We can split the article, but this attitude can bring the content useless, because, ex., a brazilian will look for lemonade, not lemonade (juice) or something like this.

Actually, in Brazil, the drink you call Lemonade is called Soda or Lemon Soda. Saulo Paiva 27 December 2006

My point exactly. The drinks that are called something like "lemonade" in other languages are not "lemonade" at all in English (and the English-language Wikipedia is necessarily English-centric). Hence: "the French term limonade has since come to mean "soft drink" in many languages." Non-lemonade soft drinks do not belong in this article any more than information about showers worldwide belongs in the douche article; they would not be described as lemonade in English.

For example, here are a couple of things I removed:

===Finland===

In Finland, lemonade (in Finnish "limonadi" or "limu") generally refers to any Coca-Cola like carbonated soft drink. One example is the "Omena Limonadi", which directly translated is "Apple Lemonade" in English.

In other words, it's not lemonade at all, but (as in many countries) the French word limonade, absorbed into the local language, has come to mean any kind of "soft drink." Apple soda is not lemonade.

Or:

===Australia and New Zealand===

In Australia and New Zealand, lemonade refers to a carbonated beverage that is lemon-flavored, and often colourless and transparent, such as Sprite.

Sprite isn't lemonade, it's lemon-lime.

This usage is also found in the UK.

No it isn't.

The term "lemon squash" refers to lemon soft drinks with a cloudy appearance (sometimes due to a small percentage of real lemon juice) e.g. Solo or Lift. The closest equivalent to American lemonade in Australia is known as Lemon Barley Cordial.

Again, lemon squash is a different drink entirely, see Squash (drink). And barley cordial is another drink distinct from (U.S.) lemonade.

Having said that, there's nothing wrong with noting where lemonade (per the English definitions) is popular around the world. However, organizing this by country is an inefficient and unusual way of doing it.

BTW, please note the message on every edit page: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." ProhibitOnions ^(T) 10:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I got your point. But read carefully... Actually, the article is already talking about two different drinks. Check the first paragraph.

And I still think you should not eliminate the content. If you think this article is the wrong place for all the content (I don't' think so) , why not creating a better place for it? Saulo Paiva 01:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)