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[edit] Battles of Narvik

Hello. Would you like to take a look at Battles of Narvik? It is the current Military history project collaboration of the fortnight. Inge 03:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, see that you have included XU in the template for Norway and WWII, good. Could you include Nortraship as well, possibly the Norwegian organisation that gave the largest contribution to the Allied war effort. Thanks in advance and a nice day to you! PS, placed this under an existing heading as I thought it a waste to create a new one... Ulflarsen 04:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, and feel free to make further suggestions - I have a feeling this is far from complete, w which is one of the reasons why I made it. I'd also like to put in some kind of graphic - ideas included a paper clip, the H7 symbol, or the Vi Vil Vinne image. --Leifern 10:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Think it should be similar to other such templates, and dunno if a graphic is needed really. Should be a link to "polititroppene", [1], but as far as I can see its not been translated to English yet. Its important, as it was some fifteen thousand men, some eight batalions in 1945. Ulflarsen 11:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Persons, think Jens Christian Hauge should be included, hard to get around him. Ulflarsen 20:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I know this is a different subsection - but I hate starting new ones. I am currently translating the full article regarding the White Buses from Norwegian into English. If you could have a look at it as I extend it I would be grateful, my English is not that good. As far as I know there is not much regarding this in English (checked EB) so I believe it may "fill a hole". Regarding the pictures, I have obtained permission to use them from the Swedish Red Cross. Ulflarsen 13:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MECE-prinsippet?

Har du noe norsk navn på dette prinsippet? __meco 07:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Jeg fant at norsk Wikipedia har en stubbartikkel om MECE, men den var i det hele ikke videre informativ. __meco 08:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre

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[edit] Article on terrorism

You may find the article Terrorists of Pakistani origin interesting. It may be deleted soon in perhaps a few hours.

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[edit] Zionist political violence

Hi, thanks for the correction on above article I didn't know we couldn't use WP as a reference. Also why did you remove the "terrorism" box/tag thingy from the above article? It is present in Palestinian political violence so it's only fair that it is used here, as we can't take sides in an encyclopedia. You say ("terrorist" is deprecated everywhere else here) then please be good enough to either also remove it from Palestinian political violence or add it back into the above article. Yas121 19:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems that it probably should be in the Zionist political violence article as well. This area needs a lot of work in general. --Leifern 19:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Then can you add it back to the article as you removed it last :) Thanks Yas121 23:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blog entry

http://vyer.typepad.com/hereticsalmanac/2006/03/under_wikiattac.htm

Please remove that. Midgley 11:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

No. --Leifern 11:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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The requested URL /hereticsalmanac/2006/03/under_wikiattac.htm was not found on this server."
Thank you. Sensible. Midgley 18:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
http://vyer.typepad.com/hereticsalmanac/2006/03/under_wikiattac.html is there --Leifern 18:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Arbitration request on Kven-users

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[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kven

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[edit] autism treatment options

Are you capable of having an intelligent conversation of what statement you didnt like instead of scrapping the entire entry? follow the disciossion in the "autism" discussion page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aspie7 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Knute Nelson reference

While looking up the contributions of Knute Nelson to the St. Paul and Pacific Railroad, I found this reference: Lives of the Governors of Minnesota about Knute Nelson. It may prove to be helpful in your research. As I mentioned on the CMSTP&P talk page, I have a book of Minnesota history at home (the Rhoda Gilman book); I'll see if I can find any more information about the railroad building of the 1870s. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 19:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I checked through the Rhoda Gilman book, but it doesn't say anything much about Knute Nelson in regard to his legislation affecting Minnesota railroads. It mentions James J. Hill buying the St. Paul and Pacific Railroad and completing the unfinished sections in Minnesota. It mentions Knute Nelson being elected to Congress in 1882 and his election as Minnesota's first foreign-born governor in 1892. However, it doesn't say anything about the legislation that brought the railroad toward completion. I suppose a book that covers railroad history in more depth, or something that covers Minnesota history in more depth, might help. The Gilman book is a rather broad general overview of Minnesota history. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 03:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Fartein Valen

Thank you, sir. Schissel | Sound the Note! 06:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably should edit this closer to the bottom of the page. Responding to your response, and very belatedly : there is a book with a chapter on Valen (and on the tone poems opus 17 and 18, specifically) which I just added under Further Reading. Will think about adding more (and will try to hear his music again soon which I haven't in a bit, not even the early quartet on that CD which I could acquire fairly easily). (Hrm, ' renders as, well, ' here. Oh well.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 16:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Princ Dobroshi

I'd updated the text based on few newspaper articles from the Czech Republic about Dobroshi's connection with the terror suspects in Norway. These articles are based on Norwegian newspapers, public information from Norwegian police plus some info from Czech police. (The journalists also tried to contact the secret service of Norway and were flatly refused.)

If there will be futher development would you mind to update it (or delete if this was just speculation)? The interest of Czech media will drop very soon, Norwegians will be likely more informed. TIA Pavel Vozenilek 09:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] DYK

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[edit] My RfA: Malber

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[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre

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[edit] Semi-protect Ben Savage

The Ben Savage bio has been assaulted with no less than 7 vandalism incidents in the last 2 days. Is this enough to request semi-protection again; or is this a non-solution?

Thanks!

trezjr 03:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Got it...

I see User talk:FloNight has done it; thanks!

trezjr 03:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Interest in your topic

Hai,

I started reading about growth hormone and ended up somewhere in the CV of a Norwegian… Actually: I like your way of arguing. My work is in sports medicine (writing, lecturing, teaching, coaching especially martial arts and strength sports) hence my keen interest in hGH, or rhGH to be precise. There seems to be no consensus about nomenclature. I suggest: GH = growth hormone, a species specific poly peptide hormone. hGH = Human Growth Hormone. To distinguishe from the GH of other animals. rhGH = Recombinant Human Growth Hormone. Distinguished from cadaver GH. Within human biology it can be simplified to Growth Hormone or GH.

The anti-aging hype is understandable. So is the commercializing of fake hGH products. Sprays! Can anybody explain me how a 191 amino acid molecule can get trough mucous membranes? This is what made me decide not to continue my membership of A4M. Ronald Klatz may be an authority, but the book ‘Ten years to a younger you’ has 33 pages of ads for obsolete ‘medicine’. No reputable physician wants to suggest even the tiniest association with homeopathy. ‘Homeopathic HGH.’ one of the ads brawls. A ‘contradiction in terms’.


Regards

Peter van der Zon Sports Medical Consulent Accra GHANA

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[edit] Hans Lars Helgesen from Asker?

Not saying he isn't, just curious; I penned the original article based on a few references to him here and there in local histories, but knew nothing of his origins in Norway (where my own family is from; see Endre Johannes Cleven, who was my grandfather). b.1831 would put him at age 27-28 upon his arrival in BC (1858-59 sometime), and he'd been in California before that AFAIK; so sounds about right. But if you've got some cite/evidence, I don't think the "?" is necessary; or was it just a guess based on the Helgesen family name?Skookum1 18:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I meant that his date of death was uncertain with the question mark. Evidence is shaky, but I included the citation. It's from Rootsweb, a genealogy site. They're clearly talking about the same Helgesen and seem to believe he was born in Asker. You'd think there was a fuller biography somewhere, though. --Leifern 18:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kven

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[edit] Your edits to Mark Geier

I've been following the developments on the Mark Geier page as seemingly Geier himself or someone close to him has begun adding information to the article. Several editors on the talk page have expressed some concern about having the subject of an article edit his/her own page. I am not necessarily convinced that deletion of the additions he has made is the right thing to do, but I do feel that the open invitation to discuss changes on the talk page first makes sense. Whether the additions are appropriate or not (they seem appropriate, I agree!) is not really the issue, I feel. It would be nice if Geier discussed on the talk pages instead of just reverting (and now there's some concern about a sockpuppet). To that end, it might also be nice if you shared your opinion in more than an edit summary, especially when you bring up vandalism, which I feel is definitely too harsh a term to use in this instance. I am not planning on touching the page, but I hope that you and Geier will discuss any changes that you are planning in the future. There's no reason to escalate this confrontation. InvictaHOG 04:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I have also been slightly concerned about the recent editing of Mark Geier by someone close to the subject of the article, if not by Dr. Geier himself, who has a POV that is far from neutral (just as mine or my wife's would be if there were an article about myself). The extensive changes have been done without collaboration, both anonymously and under two registered names, one of which was a false identity. Thus the reverts, which were far from vandalism and were explained as actions to suggest/provoke discussion: time needs to be put into examining the proposed new material and changes by objective individuals before they are fully entered into the article about this controversial subject. Just thought I'd expand a bit on the situation for you, since it may not be clear for someone who is unfamiliar with the story behind the topic. -- Tim D 05:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record: I have never met Geier, never corresponded with him (that I can remember) and have no association with him. Having said that, I don't think there's anything wrong with someone editing an article about themselves, though they obviously have to accept others' edits and accept that we all tend to be biased about ourselves. My objection is to the wholesale revert of these edits, especially when they're referenced. It would have been one thing if the edits were filled with tendentious language, unsubstantiated claims, and adjectives, etc., but when they are referencable (if selective) facts, that's another matter. What I find far more objectionable than Geier - or a sockpuppet of his - editing an article about himself is the tendency among some largely ignorant editors to bury the controversy surrounding environmental factors and autism in general and thimerosal in particular. Even if it turns out to be no causal connection between thimerosal and autism, the adoption and use of thimerosal is nothing short of a scandal in public medicine, and it would be shameful if Wikipedia censored the debate about it. I hold no particular light for or against the Geiers, but I think their research, point of view, and credentials should be presented fairly and accurately, so that readers can make up their own minds. --Leifern 13:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that there's any intention to censor a debate about thimerosal, but the articles published so far concerning any positive connection to autism have been dubious. One problem is also with Dr. Geier's self-created IRB committee (see the last few paragraphs here, which had incidentally been removed by the editor in question) which by nature will take away from the legitimacy of anything published under their approval. In addition, there is the question of the quality of some journals. Some allow more of a "fast-track" to publication than others because they have a very light peer review process or none at all. Finally, a lot of these studies come away with ambiguous findings that can't be interpreted definitively. This is why, despite proper citations, work needs to be put into how they are expressed. -- Tim D 14:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for making my point. There clearly are very closed minds on Wikipedia on this issue, with a general acceptance of conventional wisdom and rejection of anything else. I don't feel like taking up this battle by myself - suffice to say that I think your POV-pushing will only serve to discredit Wikipedia as the evidence becomes irrefutable even for those who are in denial so far. --Leifern 17:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
"Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot...." Do I sense a little bit of a m:MPOV?-- Fyslee 21:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I have no idea what you sense, Fyslee. --Leifern 10:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Just a simple observation that your negative and derogatory opinions of other editors do not elevate you above them. A little look in the mirror might be appropriate. You could save yourself and others a lot of grief by not judging or commenting on other editors. Your expressions so far violate WP:NPA and WP:AGF and definitely do not contribute to creating a collaborative atmosphere here. -- Fyslee 20:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Closed-mindedness via critical thinking? Hmm? Seriously, I've read the research and studied the topic academically. Supposedly ground-breaking research that is not reproduced by others and/or is heavily contradicted elsewhere and/or does not go through the proper channels for approval should always be taken with caution. Doesn't matter what the topic is. Of course, it should be recorded for others to see and critique, but not in a way that obfuscates anything. -- Tim D 05:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
TDowling, I would have to study your edits a little bit more closely before I can comment on your closed-or open-mindedness. What I have detected on this topic and others is that the standards are uneven. A lot of editors here don't realize that very little of medical practice is based on clinical experience; that most medical doctors know very little about science; that the scientific approach, as it were, is in fact responsible for very few scientific or medical breakthroughs; that in fact nearly all clinical trials yield ambiguous results; and that human factors enter into all of it. Thimerosal poisoning remains a plausible explanation, and there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to support it. Ad hominem attacks against the Geiers do little good in advancing knowledge about the issues. Which should be pretty obvious. --Leifern 10:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
You could study his edits for an eternity and any comments on his "closed-or open-mindedness" would still get you busted here. Much better to concentrate on NPOV editing, using good documentation. -- Fyslee 20:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Fyslee, you were the one who started out by accusing me of POV and then moved on with further personal attacks. I would advise you to respond to my points, rather than what you might think I believe or not believe. --Leifern 22:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
You misunderstand. I did not attack you. I merely pointed out your existing personal attacks on Tdowling and other Wikipedians in general: "very closed minds" "your POV-pushing". Pointing out personal attacks and unwikipedian behavior is not a personal attack, it is a warning to be careful. We just need to help each other. I doubt that you are innocent of the very things for which you accuse others, which is why I included the m:MPOV link for your amusement. It's rather well-written! (I doubt that very many here can consider themselves totally free of being closed-minded at times and of POV-pushing at times, including myself. None of us is perfect, hence the friendly warning to be careful. Take it as constructive criticism and move on.) -- Fyslee 23:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norwegian photographers

Hello; I've just encountered List of Norwegian photographers for the first time. You may be interested in the new WikiProject "History of photography". (There's nothing particularly Norwegian about it so far, I must admit.) -- Hoary 23:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Photography Projects' names

Hi, since you're a participant in the WP Project history of Photography, I thought uou might be interested in this discussion regarding the names of the WP Projects History of Photography and Photography. What do you think of Girolamo Savonarola's proposition? Pinkville 00:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Not sure why you deleted this...

Removed the entry because I blocked the IP for a week. ;) Is this coming from any other addresses? Luna Santin 20:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Solveig Fiske

A bishop in the Church of Anywhere is not notable unless they've done something notable. This article does not state anty reason why it should be kept. Threatening me with admin action does not cause me to reconsider my speedy tag. Be my guest. Denni talk 22:47, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I do not profess to be concerned about your attack on me. For what it's worth, between 20 and 25 percent of new pages are speedily deleted, for good reason. By the way, I've probably written far more articles than you've deleted. So much for "harming" Wikipedia. Denni talk 23:34, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Just a friendly warning -Its undoubtedly a personal attach to accuse another editor of vandalism over a content dispute. Your reaction is way OTT and you won't win your article any friends by the way that you are handling this. Take a deep breath and count to 10. --Spartaz 00:07, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

First of all, this is not a content dispute. To nominate an article about a person of such stature is at best misguided, and certainly disrupts the functioning of Wikipedia. People are capable of commiting vandalism thinking they are doing good things, but it's still vandalism, or else every vandal can simply plead good faith. --Leifern 00:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Have you noticed that you are the only one arguing this POV? Doesn't that say to you that you may be mistaken? Adding a speedy tag is not vandalism. Calling an editor a vandal for doing so is a personal attack and not the slightest bit civil. Neither of which is acceptable. Just so you know, I listed the article here. Words of advice - please try to respond to the AFD in a civil way - I have seen borderline articles deleted in the past because of extreme behaviour by defenders annoying the AFD crowd. Spartaz 00:28, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Spartaz, I'm sure you're well-intended, but you may want to consider things from a different point of view here:
  • There is a growing tendency in Wikipedia for people to engage in knavish behavior and then hide behind WP:AGF, and as someone else once pointed out AGF does not equal "be stupid." So I may be harsh in making accusations of vandalism, but I am simply assuming that at least some of the editors are knaves rather than fools, and it's not an unreasonable assumption at times. There is no question that frivolous nominations for deletion are disruptive, and so follow at least a broad definition of vandalism.
  • Nominating an article for deletion should carry a burden of proof, and nominating it for speedy deletion should carry extraordinary proof. This was a sloppy nomination, and this sort of sloppiness should cost something.
  • I am frankly tired of self-righteous deletionists who seem to believe that their judgment about notability carries as much weight as the general aspiration of Wikipedia to be the world's largest, most comprehensive encyclopedia. If a bishop in the Church of Norway has even debatable notability, then we can probably delete at least 40% of all biographies on Wikipedia. In other words, it is too easy and inexpensive to nominate an article for deletion on vaguely philosophical grounds of deletionism, and I think the cost needs to go up. It should be disciplinary matter if it's overdone, is what I think. --Leifern 00:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
So you put this (Gee, Spartaz - you know I can read this, don't you? Should I rethink my assumption that your "advice" is meant to be friendly?) for what? To demonstrate that you got your backside well and truly booted by the admin board? Fine. Just know that your policy that anything goes at Wikipedia is misguided at best. I also am tired, of self-righteous inclusionists who seem to believe that everything that matters to them should matter to the whole world. "Extraordinary proof"? That falls upon =your= shoulders, my friend, to prove that this bishop is not one of thousands of other bishops in the world who live their lives in blessed anonymity. Don't come complaining to me that I speedied your article when you didn't do your homework. Denni talk 01:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
We'll see how the AFD goes, but it seems pretty apparent to me that the speedy delete nomination was not recognized. As for your assumption that I belong to the inclusionist group, I don't know what to say. I don't know what homework you thought I didn't do. The initial draft was referenced and sourced from governmental sources, and who this person was, was made very clear. Your speedy nomination was misguided knavery at best, and I stand by my position that it crossed into vandalism. We can differ on what constitutes vandalism. --Leifern 02:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

It's been my observation that a number of editors who should know better hide behind either literal or narrow interpretations of policy, guidelines, and process to push their own agenda; or else reject any accusations as a violation of assuming good faith. I see vandalism as any act that disrupts the creation of content, provided it's done by someone who knows better or should know better. I'll concede that this kind of knavishness - because that's what it is - falls short of the kind of vandalism you can find on a daily basis at, for example, Barack Obama or - in the past - Kven, but it is still bad behavior that needs to be called. I agree with the point someone else made earlier that assuming good faith should not equate to "be stupid." And I also think that we should be able to characterize objectionable actions without being called for incivility or personal attacks.

Whether or not you agree with my definition or characterization of vandalism, I am far less concerned about someone getting too excited on talk pages than I am about people playing games and hiding behind rules in articles. --Leifern 02:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hey there

I grew up in Bergen County, then went down to Rutgers for college and stayed here. I was just looking through both the Swedish and Norwegian archives last night for both my own family history and for a few online biographies. I went to visit my Norwegian cousins in Chicago a few years ago, exactly 75 years after my mother went to the same family reunion. They have been doing it at least since 1929. Have you worked on your own family history? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 16:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Untagged image

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[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Trondheim prelature, was selected for DYK!

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Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 19:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming Zionism and racism

Hi Leifern: Shouldn't the Zionism and racism article be renamed to Allegations of Zionism and racism as with Allegations of Israeli apartheid? What are your thoughts? IZAK 02:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your unsubstantiated edits about If Americans Knew

Leifern, you don't seem to understand the importance of facts. Allegations are not sufficient -- they must be supported. The items I have inserted on the If Americans Knew webpage are factually supported. The items you insert are unfactual and therefore have been removed.

You don't substantiate your changes. Simply because you like what somesone says does not make it true. I continue to demonstrate to you the mistakes in the websites you favor. Please either rebut this factually or stop inserting materials that have been demonstrated to be false.

It is inappropriate for ideology to drive Wikipedia edits. Please base your edits on facts!!! If you cannot demonstrate that something is factual then don't insert it. If you cannot rebut evidence that websites contain false accusations, then don't include them. Please stop committing vandalism.

I suppose I'm supposed to take an unsigned, preachy tirade on my talk page seriously? Just because you say something is true doesn't make it true. --Leifern 14:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of the week at nl.wiki

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[edit] Elections and Stortinget

I discovered that {{Norwegian elections and referenda}} and {{Norwegian elections}} are duplicates of each other. Then it seems that they largely direct to two different sets of articles: Stortinget 1954-1957 and Norwegian parliamentary election, 1953. I think that the information in the first article could be merged into the latter one as it is mostly a list of who got elected in 53. If you have plans of expanding these articles into accounts of Storting activity during the period I think both should be retained. In any case a new template for the Storting articles should be created. What do you think?Inge 18:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I certainly agree. I've also been working - in moments of spare time - with creating an authoritative database of cabinet appointments that can be used to generate articles about the various cabinets, as well as some interesting statistics. I also think we need to come up with a standard format for the compositions of the convened Storting sessions. --Leifern 18:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Economics/Finance Portal

I saw your work on Template:Financial derivatives, and I re-wrote the Template:Securities, but there is also Template:Financial markets and Template:Finance. At the very least I will kill off the one I worked on and combine it with Finance or Financial markets, but what I really want to do is either create a Finance Portal or a Economics/Finance portal. It is incredible to me that neither one or a combination one exists. But I want to talk about this with someone else before I dive into such a large project.

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[edit] Frequency of autism redirect

Hi Leifern, I've just reverted your revert. I don't want to end up in a revert war over this, but I cannot see any logical reason for keeping the Frequency of autism article separate from the Autism (incidence) article. In name they cover the same ground. The former page used to be "Autism Epidemic" or something similarly emotive, but was changed to avoid the page being deleted. Even if the page were about "the autism epidemic" then there's still no need for duplicating the Vaccine controversy article. Epidemic, Frequency, Incidence are words about numbers, not speculation.

Anyway my main reason for posting here was to ask you to reply to my suggestion on Talk:Frequency of autism about considering removing all the content from the Frequncy article, and instead having it as a redirect to the Incidence article. It doesn't make any sense to maintain two separate articles. aLii 01:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:New antisemitism

Sorry, you seem to have misunderstood; what I asked for was a presentation by each side in the dispute of the other side's position and arguments, as Mackan79 did. Would it be possible for you or one of the others to do that? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 14:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Edit warnings

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you.

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Thank you. -- ChrisO 19:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

:For the record - these are unfounded accusations, perpetrated by someone who has a content disagreement with me. --Leifern 21:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

First, I consider your edit summary "blanking perpetrated by POV warriors" ([2]) to be a personal attack. Second, your accusations of POV editing are a blatant violation of WP:AGF. This isn't about POV - it's about shoddy sourcing and editors (i.e. you) trying to introduce their personal original research. Third, of course you've engaged in a revert war - by my count you're on your third reversion in 24 hours ([3], [4], [5]). Any more and you will be reported for a 3RR violation. I suggest you try answering my questions on the article talk page - as it is, your refusal to give a straight answer to a straight question isn't helping your position. You're an experienced editor; you of all people should know that we're not allowed to include original research. -- ChrisO 21:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I have answered your questions and offered a set of premises for discussion, and it was after this that you found it appropriate to attack me? Your interpretation of original research is original, but this is something we may disagree about. It was you and CurrieCJ who started the practice of reverting without discussion, and I think that AGF can only be taken so far. --Leifern 21:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Willoch

Hi thanks for the message. I might have been a bit harsh, but I must say that it is hard for me to assume good faith when you repeatedly try to insert what I percieve as bad faith readings of KW´s writings into the text. I understand that you think he has hidden motives or something, but that is an opinion you must express somewhere else. For instance: You say he "blames" Israel for NAS. In that article he writes clearly that it is a breach of legal principles to hate an ethnic group based on the actions of a state. Clearly then, he BLAMES the antisemites for making such mistakes, but he states that the actions of Israel has to be seen as a part of the picture (and most theorists of NAS would agree with that). He clearly states that though the Israeli politics towards the palestinians is a source of negative feelings, this does not give any reasonable resons for antisemitism:

"Det ville være naivt å overse at Israels politikk overfor palestinerne er blitt en ny kilde til negative holdninger. De gir overhodet ingen saklige grunner for antisemittisme."

Do you think this is reflected in your "Willoch blames Israel" statement? I will try to restrain myself as regards to PA and I will assume good faith, but please try to use the sources in a way that good faith would imply. pertn 10:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I can certainly find more quotes from Willoch about the causes of antisemitism and will refrain from making further edits on that particular issue. But I also think that it is too weak to simply say that his opinion only covers the Israeli policy toward Palestinians. His description of the early 20th century, for example, is at best selective and certainly biased against anything. As for my own view of his hidden agenda, I honestly don't know or understand his motivations. I certainly thinks he fails to appreciate that his harsh rhetoric might feed antisemitism, but I'm not inclined to believe that's his intention. If I were going to guess, I'd say that he's found a cause that will give him publicity, as he's (to some extent rightfully) bitter about not getting more credit for his political career. --Leifern 11:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree to some extent that his opinions also includes a specific view of the history (typical amongst pro-palestinians) that highlights the Israeli's faults. Pre-48 terrorism (Irgun, Stern etc), zionism as nationalistic project, who "really" started the different wars and so on. I regard this as a part of his pro-palestinian sentiments more than as a Anti-Israel thing. It is a part of the Israel - Palestine discourse where both sides have a bizarre interest of almost 100 years old massacres more than the ones going on now. But I understand that you can interpret this otherwise. However, the sources you have used so far have been quite clearly about the occupation of palestine. About his motivations, I have a hard time thinking that he is bitter. My impression is that he is quite highly regarded. (In my eyes too high, since he advocated an oil policy that could have wrecked the Norwegian oil adventure. But that is a different story). pertn 10:13, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I don't see any evidence that Willoch is "pro-Palestinian." If he actually cared about the Palestinians, he'd be writing very different pieces (on the premise that what Palestinians - and Israelis - need most is peace, not further confrontation). The history between up until 1880 until the 1930s is actually pretty undisputed, with the exception of some demographic trends. The "occupation" rhetoric is based on some very complex legal and historical issues that have been covered elsewhere in Wikipedia. Suffice to say that Willoch is among those who see Jewish actions in the area as evil and misguided from the very start. I really don't know what his petroleum policies - it's not what is most often brought up about his time as prime minister. But his deregulation and liberalization policy clearly set the stage for stronger economic growth in Norway. --Leifern 11:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Fun thing. I just discovered now that you actually DO write a blog. I understand now that my comment about you blogging instead could be taken as PA. I also see that you actually manage to keep a more cool, neutral and rational tone in WP than in your blog, and thumbs up for that! pertn 13:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Autism (incidence)

Hi Leifern, you put a npov tag on the Autism (incidence) article almost a month ago, but failed to come up with a single reason for your tag. I was hoping that you could head over to the talk page and list the specific problems that you think are there. Otherwise I'll remove your tag. It's been nearly a month and you still haven't detailed any problem with the article. aLii 09:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blanking

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[edit] Hjelp

Brukeren Woodstock vandaliserer artikkelen om Ole Christian Kvarme. Han stiller den tilbake til en versjon som bryter mot stilmanualen og er helt uleksikalsk (f.eks. fjerne fødselsdato fra introduksjonen og sette inn et svært "Curriculum vitae" med en form som er helt uegnet for leksikon), og i tillegg inneholder grove POV som f.eks.:

Valgerd Svarstad Haugland of the Christian Democratic Party, controversially went against Diocese of Oslo choice of Helen Bjørnøy. There was also clear opinion amongst the general public that Kvarme was not the right man for the position. It was said that Kvarme, with his conservative stand would be a step backwards in the work that his predecessor Bishop Gunnar Stålsett had started. It was said that Oslo as a multicultural city, needs someone with a more "broadminded" view. Gunnar Stålsett was renowned for his work of being a unifying and inclusive bishop, he had for instance acknowledged and ordained several gay priests in his diocese. Kvarme is outspoken against this practice and he has halted the process of ordaining more gay priests. The whole debate centered around his conservative views on homosexuality and gay priests. The debate around Bishop Ole Christian Kvarme, has made the issue of a separation of state and church a current topic in the Norwegian media."

Disse påstandene er jo ikke bare POV, men direkte løgn, siden det kirkelig votum var for Kvarme og det var derfor han ble utnevnt. Det virker som om en av Stålsetts tilhengere har skrevet dette.

Artikkelens anti-Kvarme-POV har vært tatt opp på diskusjonssiden av andre før, og jeg har tatt opp hva jeg har problemer med. Brukeren Woodstock nekter å diskutere og å respektere NPOV og stilmanualen. Hva skal jeg gjøre? Spacecrowd 17:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Reply

You may have noticed that User:Spacecrowd is still doing extreme edits at Ole_Christian_Kvarme. All this user is doing is disrupting that particular article and making attacks on me. I do not really care about the attacks on me, but I would like to see the article stay correct. Woodsstock 17:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pallywood move

Following Ynhockey's suggestion about the name of the Pallywood article, i.e. moving it to Allegations of media manipulation in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I've proposed the move. Pallywood would then redirect to the new article, as per your own suggestion. Your comments would be welcomed at Talk:Pallywood#Requested move - I hope you'll view Ynhockey's proposal favourably, as it would resolve a lot of the notability and POV disputes concerning this article. -- ChrisO 11:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pallywood

You can scream admin abuse but that will get you nowhere. I make that statement for a reason edit wars are bad. I am forcing a stop to one, and promoting discussion instead. that is why we have admins, to protect Wikipedia. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 14:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I have noticed that there are two types of admins on Wikipedia. Those who think they are above criticism, because theirs is a worthy cause; and those who understand that they are also editors and can make mistakes. Your response here is typical of the first category. --Leifern 15:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Please see WP:NOT wikipedia is not a battle ground. I am forcing a discussion instead of an edit war. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 16:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
There has been endless discussion on this issue. It's gone through an AFD, several ad hoc polls, and lots of back and forth on the Talk page; not to mention several clarifications on the topic and the scope of the article. There are some editors who are trying every means available to them to discredit the article for POV reasons, and with this action you took their side. Assuming that was not your intent, you should have familiarized yourself with the issue before making a unilateral decision that could have led (and still might lead) to an escalation at the admin level. --Leifern 16:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the finance user template. Egfrank 09:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Well said

Just wanted to say that your 'thoughts on Wikipedia' page is pretty much right on the dot. Have you considered proposing a weakening of the AGF principle? I too find that discernibly bad faith editors/POV-pushers hide behind it excessively. The Behnam 02:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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