Talk:Left Behind

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[edit] DELETE THIS POV RELIGIOUS ADVERTISING!

As currently presented this article is pure religious POV advertising and totally unacceptable as a NPOV work. It should be deleted immediately. If the intention is to create a NPOV review then all of the attached and equally obnoxious POV religious advertising on those pages should be removed and all of them combined into one single article.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a review site. That includes giving more or less accurate descriptions of notable book series. Being based on a religious work doesn't make it NPOV. Get over it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.195.241.54 (talk) 05:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

<response from a casual wiki browser> oh go away and get a life, zealot. There isn't all that much difference between fanatical religous nuts like you (presumably your faith is athiesm) and deluded fools who fly planes into buildings.

<another wiki browser> My concern is that thousands of evangelical Christians are under the assumption that any organization trying to foster world peace is bound to be evil and part of some "devil's plot" against god. I do agree that some people claim they are for peace when they really have ulterior motives (ahem, Bush admin), but the UN is respected worldwide, as are many other international peace and human rights groups. These organizations work against corruption, apathy, ignorance, intolerance and lies to try and make the world a better place for unfortunate, downtrodden people. You don't have to be a Christian (or religious at all) for these acts to be genuine and effective. The author is doing a huge disservice to those that work for human dignity, and should make a public apology to them.

I detest this novel and all that it represents. However, it reads just like any NPOV review. Since I would probably expend much more energy laughing at creationists than I would in reading this drivel, I did appreciate the summary. Now I know a little more about the Christian mythology. And being happy that I don't ascribe to this belief set. As books go, I wouldn't read it. As Wikipedia goes, it's a pretty good article.OrangeMarlin 23:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Let the article be. It meets Wikipedia criteria for existing and can certainly be improved. CyberAnth 23:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marked for POV-check

I find the article biased and tagged it for discussion "POV-check".

The main reason for this is the kind of criticism that is mentioned: only Evangelists criticism, not that of other beliefs. For instance, atheists could argue the story triest to frighten people into believing. The plausibility of only the interpretation of the new testament is disputed, nothing more. I agree though we shouldn't mix the bias in the book with a bias in this article. Because religion is always a controversial subject, I'd just like this article to be more sensitive. DWizzy 16:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

All of the criticism is directed at the series as a whole, not at this specific book. The main page for the series already includes criticism from both Christian and non-Christian sources, though it doesn't include most of the information on this page. Perhaps it would be better to merge the two sections there. We could also possibly include a link here to the criticism section there. Inexorability 03:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I believe you two are right. The entire article appears to be written from an Evangelical POV. If some non-Evangelical Christian and secular POVs can be liberally inserted (no pun intended) into the article, I think the tag may safely come down. For now, I'm changing the tag to straight-up POV. toll_booth 01:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

It's highly possible ya'll are stupid.

The article is about a book--a work of fiction. If you don't like the book, then don't buy it. And don't confuse the article with the book. As regards the issue of criticism by Evangelical Christians, the book is written by an EC, and its primary audience are ECs. How many non-EC people do think have bought and read it? Naturally, most of the criticism against it is going to come from other EC. And by the way, there is a line about Muslims opposed to the game in the article. --Danaidh 04:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect, wikipedia is not an EC site but an impartial source of information. The POV issue has not been resolved, as the article is highly EC-centric. As such, I ask that please nobody remove the POV tag; the sign does not mean that neutrality is definitely out of balance, but possibly out of balance, which several of us contend that it is.

Thanks for understanding. toll_booth 22:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)