Talk:Leaving Certificate

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I am not totally sure of this, but I believe that Arabic may only be taken in the case of exemption from Irish, and that the two cannot be presented together. Is anyone else aware of this?

Doshea3 19:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sounds right. In 2005, Irish and Arabic were examined silmultaneously. -Martin

Contents 1 European language 2 TY 3 2 year course? 4 Arabic and Irish? 5 Irish language

[edit] European language

Students are by no means obliged to take a modern European language in the LC -- although they are highly reccomended to do so by teachers. Many courses have a modern European language as a prerequisite, however, many others don't.

I tried moving the "A modern European language" entry to the "Optional" section, but it screwed up the list a bit (Modern European Language was #1, Arabic was #1 as well..)

I think it should be moved to the optional section, or else entered in a new section, "Reccomended" (or something similar)..

Ventolin 15:29, 5 Jun 2005 (GMT)

I believe that "modern European language" is necessary to enter NUI colleges; is this true?

Doshea3 19:56, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but that doesn't make it compulsary to do it. They're univesities, not colleges btw... the non-trinners, non-NUI universities and most of the colleges don't require a european language; or even Irish in some cases.

Arguably, Irish is also no longer 'compulsary' - you're allowed fail it, you can get into college without it and with an exemption. You can sometimes get away without even be registerd for the exam, but not always... --Kiand 23:33, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

On the issue of colleges or universities, technically you are both right and both wrong. They are, in fact, "Constituent Universities" (or "Constituent Colleges" as they used to be known). Together, they make up the federal National University of Ireland. Personally, I think the whole thing is way over complicated. On the issue of Irish, I'd point out that it is only possible to get an exemption from the subject on grounds of disability or foreign birth or parental diplomatic service and that it is required by most colleges in Ireland. --Paul 01:21, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

ALL colleges of the National University of Ireland have a pass grade in a foreign language other than Irish as a prerequisite to entry.

If you read the matriculation requirements booklet this is not the case at all; students of art (NCAD), agricultural science or engineering (NUIM, UCD), nursing, as well as hearing impaired and non European Union students are exempt from a third-language. Djegan 09:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TY

Does anyone else think that "3 years after" should be changed to 2. I mean, in my opinion (I'm not completly sure, but relatively) the majority skip TY. I know in Dublin almost every school only has one large class for TY (around 30-40 students) from what are normally years of about 120. I would assume the situation is the same in other parts, no? I know that some of my relatives go to schools (in Leitrim/Sligo) where (as they told me) TY isn't even OFFERED, and they call the standard 5th year 4th year etc. Am I wrong? Do the majority do it or skip it? - RedHotHeat 13:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I checked into that and it is very difficult to get statistics to prove or disprove the point. The Department of Education gears its statistics towards examinations and types of schools. I think before any change statistics would be advised. Otherwise state the fact such as that "...it takes a minimum of two years preparation but an optional transition year means that for these students it will take three years after the junior certificate...". Djegan 18:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I've changed the page to that wording, which I hope will make a Rough consensus. Stifle 00:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I've change the wording "for many students" to "for those students" due to no statistics saying if there are many or a few students doing TY. Stev87 03:54, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

In my school (Cork city) 8 students went on to 5th year, 98 of us completed TY. As far as I can see, it depends on locality (no cousins/friends who live in small towns have TY for example: too few in the classes) and socio-economic factors (as a rule, those from less well off families seemed to skip TY almost exclusively in my school, throughout the 6 years I was there). But I've never heard 5th year being called 4th year by those who skip it. Maeve 22:35, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Why is transition year even mentioned as being part of the leaving cert? it is an entirely different curriculum and has no bearing on the results of the leaving cert! (Leninbenjamin 15:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] 2 year course?

It could have been just urban legend, but I remember being told that it is allowed to sit the exam after one years preperation, usually after a year in a 'cram school' such as the institute in Dublin, Yeats in Galway ect. I'll try and find this out, but if anyone knows whether it is allowed or not please let me know and edit(or don't) this article accordingly)mergie 21:38, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

My understanding is that two years is a must, Rules and Programmes for Secondary Schools published by the Department of Education and Science, would be the publication to consult for an answer. Djegan 21:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

See also[1] Djegan 22:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

David Browne - Technicall you can do the leaving at any age so i dont see why you couldnt do it after one year. it would be foolish to do so but you could

[edit] Arabic and Irish?

It doesn't say that you can't take both arabic and irish in the ILC website. http://www.examinations.ie/index.php?l=en&mc=ca&sc=sb

You have to go to Athlone the evening of that day to do the one you didn't do if you want to do both, apparently - at least according to someone I know who did Arabic. --Kiand 10:35, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll edit it then.-bader

You can sit the 2, but to do so you have apply to the exinations commission for the extra hours needed to do the second paper in. The extra time is one hour plus the length of the second paper, in between the two you get and hour break but have to sit with an examiner. I have friend with this problem for applied maths and aggricultural science. - pyroman1889

[edit] Irish language

Can we supply an authoritive source for "Irish (must obtain a passing grade to obtain certificate)" which has been edited. Their has not been such a requirement since the 1970s and if anything the Irish requirement will become more lax. Djegan 20:46, 19 April 2006 (UTC)