Talk:League of American Bicyclists
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[edit] Effective Cycling and BikeEd
I see that Serge Issakov has added a bit of additional information regarding the split between John Forester and his Effective Cycling program and LAB's Bike Ed program.
This brings up two questions:
1. Is this the best location to discuss this, or should it be elaborated upon in the article specific to Effective Cycling?
2. If it should remain here, is the wording appropriately neutral?
I'll presume that it's appropriate to discuss briefly here, otherwise Mr. Issakov wouldn't have mentioned it. I'd also tend to believe that a more detailed discussion of Bike Ed vs EC might better be elaborated in the Effective Cycling article.
It should be noted at this point that:
- Bike Ed being based on basic Effective Cycling principles
and
- the separation of Efective Cycling from Bike Ed
are established and well-documented matters of fact - so I'd hope there's no issue there.
However, the article wording used could be rephrased slightly to be more in the spirit of neutrality set forth in Wikipedia policy. The current wording ("stopped", "abridged") could be construed as being potentially negative to LAB's current education efforts, when a valid point could be made that some of the same educational material in both courses has been repackaged to be more accessible to more students.
The details as to each course's time, scope, and availability can easily be found in the provided external links.
So, I've modified:
...by John Forester, who stopped allowing LAB to use his trademarked name when LAB started offering only abridged versions of his courses (i.e., the 30-hour Effective Cycling course has been split into two 9-hour courses, Road 1 and Road 2).
to
...by John Forester. However, the Bike Ed and Effective Cycling courses are now separate programs offered by different organizations.
The reason I'm discussing this change in such detail here is to try to avoid recursive edits on this topic such as seen on other similar pages, and to explain the reasoning behind the change.
Feel free to edit the editing if you see an even better way to say it!
RCMoeur 13 May 2005
(who's taught both the full Effective Cycling and Road 1 courses, BTW)
- I think it is reasonable to note in this article the reason John Forester gives for no longer allowing the name Effective Cycling to be associated with LAB's Bike Ed program, which is: the reduced riding time in the abridged courses is no longer sufficient to effectively teach the material (according to him). If fastmd.edu offered an abridged program for becoming a medical doctor, wouldn't it be useful to note why the AMA did not recognize degrees from it? By the way, noting the opinion of someone else does not violate the NPOV principle of WIkipedia. --Serge 22:53, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- This absolutely fails the NPOV test. As it stands, it tells us practically nothing about LAB itself and much about John Forester, his trademarked term "Effective Cycling" and his LABreform POV. All during Forester's campaign to get on the board of LAW!
[edit] Merge
Since they're different names for the same organization, I don't see why League of American Wheelmen needs a separate article. NickelShoe 22:33, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Well I went ahead and did it. NickelShoe 15:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bicycle Friendly Communities
If we want to maintain this list it should be updated as it doesn't match the list on the LOB's webpage: http://www.bicyclefriendlycommunity.org/AllBicycleFriendlyCommunities.htm Although I'm not sure the entire list needs to be maintained. Maybe just the platinum and gold rated cities and then a link to the full list in the references section? It's taking up a lot of space right now. Plymouths 23:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
