Talk:Lead guitar

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Is it considered lead guitar when a professional guitarist has a backup band? Does lead guitar imply that the musician is a member of a band and not a solo musician? If it is the case that a solo musician cannot be labeled as a lead guitarist, certain names, namely Joe Satriani, should be removed. (Ngoah89 16:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC))

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[edit] Electric?

Should the first paragraph mention that lead is usually on an electric guitar?Kansaikiwi 10:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Iron Maiden

I think, Dave Murray of Iron Maiden should be removed, or Adrian Smith and Janick Gers should be added. All guitarists there play both lead and rythm guitar. --Martinxxxx72 22:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I overlooked, that this is an alphabetical list. I thought, all the guitarists of one band should be listed together. --Martinxxxx72 16:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cluttered list

Currently the list of famous lead guitarists constitutes more than 50% of this article's length. I will be removing those bands who do not have a significant international reputation, as Wikipedia is an international website after all. Not many people will bother about a guitarist they have never listened to before. Ariedartin JECJY 17:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I have already said that the list is too long. Those who wish to add more names to the list, please state your rationale here. Thank you. :) Ariedartin JECJY 05:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
That's no reason for arbitrarily removing every single name that is alphabetized from A to D, which is what your revert amounts to. Pay attention - you are preserving what is clearly either a mistake or an act of vandalism on somebody's part. Also, while I agree that the list is a bit on the long side, some of your other choices for removal have been, to put it mildly, extremely questionable (Hendrix? Hard to imagine a better example of someone who belongs on the list). PurplePlatypus 05:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I chop off the A to D, simply because they coincidentally happen to be insignificant on an international level. As a Canadian, you should probably know them, but in the international rock scene, relatively few people will. Their albums aren't sold in Asia, for a start. I agree that perhaps my edits are too arbitrary, but I try my best to keep it as spherical a view as possible. And Hendrix? I don't believe he has that much fame, but I'll leave him be. If you believe that strongly in him, I trust that you definitely have a good idea of his significance. Ariedartin JECJY 05:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
You "don't believe Hendrix has that much fame"?!? The man is a cultural icon almost on a par with the Beatles. He's widely considered the greatest rock guitarist of all time. There are maybe three names on that list better known than him, tops (one of whom is in the As through Ds, by the way - Eric Clapton). I'm sure you were trying to improve Wikipedia but I have to question both your knowledge and judgement. PurplePlatypus 05:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Above Comments noted, i intend to trim the list, i will list the deleted items (names unknown to me as a non-USA wiki user and guitarist or those which seem unjustified) on this page, should anyone wish to reinstate.
The following names i have deleted from the famous guitarists list. Please do not reininstate them simply because you like the band, or you happen to know the name of the guitarist (where few have), if i have made any glaring errors, i apologise. I have deleted on the following criteria:

The list is too long, therefore if the guitarist is not famous on the scale of the more illustrious names on the list (Page, Hendrix, Clapton, Hammet(I realise this is very subjective)) i have removed it. If the band is famous, but the guitarist is not, i have removed the entry.


Realistically, somebody else should further edit the remaining list, to further shorten it to a reasonable length.
Would this better be suited as a category and not a list? Categories seem to be easier to browse and are automatically alphabetized. (I'm not sure about policy on new categories, as I see categories deleted every day). —TheMuuj Talk 20:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
An excellent proposition, TheMuuj. I'm all for it, then at least we could at least do away with the list. Its excessive and nobody is doing anything about it. Ariedartin JECJY 10:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I heartily endorse this product and/or service. PurplePlatypus 19:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps a separate List of lead guitarists would augment the existing list, but the random deletions of numerous guitarists with extensive credentials, particularly withing their particular musical realms, is a bit harsh. If pruning needs to be done, it should be on a case by case basis, rather than indiscriminantly. Ombudsman 23:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Of the above-listed names, the only one I would disagree violently with removing is Trower, who seems to command tremendous respect among fellow musicians. It's true that Garcia is an icon, but (unlike Hendrix) I don't think his reputation rests to that great a degree on his lead playing. (Then again, someone who can stand the Grateful Dead might be in a better position to judge that.) I'm not in that good a position to judge most of the newer names on the list, but I will say that from what I've heard of most of those bands, musicianship is... not their main selling point, to put it diplomatically (Dream Theater being perhaps the most notable exception). Most of those guys don't seem to be so much famous lead guitarists as famous people who happen to be lead guitarists, if you see the distinction. And He Who Does Not Capitalize Properly Or Sign His Posts is correct that Corgan wasn't the lead player in SP, if I recall correctly (and while Iha is pretty good, I wouldn't say he is that well-known, unfair though that may be). PurplePlatypus 01:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One-guitar bands?

I was surprised at the number of people in the list who are the only guitarist in their bands (The Edge, Tony Iommi, etc.) Does their inclusion in the list indicate that they are primarily known for their solos? Or is "lead guitarist" a common term for "only guitarist" (which I guess isn't that strange if, unlike me, you call an electric bass a "bass guitar")? This also raises questions about how one-guitar bands handle multi-guitar songs in live performance, but I am sure this answer varies from band to band. Boris B 02:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


In agreement with the above statement, while guitarists such as Iommi are worth mentioning, maybe a separate list should be created?--88.111.194.74 22:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Over emphasis upon rock music

I think this article is flawed, the opening suggests, that it is most common in rock music, this isn't necessairly true, for example with blues when the singer isn't singing, then the lead guitarist makes a riff BB King for example. or perhaps more obviously in jazz if we make an example of Herb Ellis or Emily Remler, they solo whilst the other musicians vamp.

The opening needs to be more open ended, soon I will add my own introductory and it will sound like this 'lead guitar refers to guitar being played with scales/modes or appegios in complimention to the rhythem guitar" i'll think up a better way of saying this.

I propose we make 3 different paradigms, lead guitar in rock, lead guitar in the Blues and lead guitar in Jazz. Blues and rock are two styles of guitar that I have experience with, the rock article is fine I think it needs a few thing adding to it and I will encorporate a lot of the stuff from the current article and put it in the rock section. With the Blues I will keep it basic, I will introduce it by briefing stating what the blues are, then going on to explain that the blues predomintely uses a pentatonic scale, talk about call and responce and mention a few notable guitarists. I will keep it basic for now and if people want to improve it they're welcome to.

Jazz lead guitar I know very little about, all I know is it uses modes, so what I will do is i'll leave it as a stub and then somebody who knows better can upgrade it. I'll make the changes on the 8th or 9th March, if anyone has any objections please let me know before then. --Mikeoman 09:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

OK I've made some general changes, the article reads better now, at a later date I plan on including more lead guitar techniques, include info on who uses these techniques and i'll create a blues section.--Mikeoman 11:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] False fact

The article claims that heavy metal was the music that sparked fast techniques, this isn't necessarily true, though I am unsure as to the first fast picking guitarists, I know that fast lead guitar stems as far back as the 1940s with Django Reinhardt, this statement needs editing although I am unsure, does anybody know who pioneered fast lead guitar? for now I will leave it as it is --Mikeoman 09:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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