User talk:Lawsonrob

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[edit] Lindisfarne Gospels

Hi Lawsonrob, I notice that you have an interest in describing the Lindisfarne Gospels as stolen from Durham Cathedral. So far as I know, it is not known under what circumsances the manuscript left Durham Cathedral. The word "stolen" implies an illegal taking. However, if in fact, as s widely asumed the manuscrit was removed as part of the Dissolution of the Monastaries, then it would not have been illegal under the laws of the time. To insit on using the word stolen would violate WP:NPOV. Dsmdgold 10:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crédit Agricole and Global Finance

Do you have a full reference for the article in Global Finance which you're using to support points on Crédit Agricole? WP:CITE essentially says that you should leave enough detail for someone else to find the details that you're refering to, all I managed to find was this which tells a different story to what you included. Until there is a verifiable reference I'm afraid it will have to be tagged again. Many thanks. Ian3055 23:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David Miliband

Hiya, I've slightly changed the phraseology re: night of the long knives on the David Miliband page - it's not exactly been used widely throughout the day and I can only find it in the one BBC article I've referenced on the page. I think the "almost brutal" comment from the beeb article fits better; there's not been references or parallels drawn with Macmillan in 1962. Hope that sounds reasonable. Iancaddy 23:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sheila Graber

Hi Lawsonrob, I noticed that you recreated Sheila Graber with the edit summary "Reinstated page, what is it your business to decide who is a 'non-notable person'?" Please see Wikipedia:Notability for the relevant discussion. I did a search and it turns out that the person actually has received some awards, and is therefore probably notable. Sorry for being deleting administrator number three. I would urge you to add concrete information about Ms. Graber's notability - specific awards received and when, etc, rather than generally stating her animation is "award winning". There are literally hundreds of articles created every day on Wikipedia with people stating everything from "Person X is the King of France and universally acclaimed as a rock god" to thoroughly factual "Person X was born in 1991 and is a member of the debating club" to elaborate false biographies that people think would be fun to get into Wikipedia. Wikipedia relies on volunteers scanning the flow of new submissions and you appear to have run into somebody who looked askance at your original posting. In the future, if you feel that an article you have created has been inappropriately tagged for speedy deletion, please put the template {{hangon}} on the article and explain your reasoning on the article talk page or alternatively at Wikipedia:Candidates for speedy deletion. Simply recreating content tends to confirm the initial judgement that the information is bogus or not worthy of inclusion. You don't appear to have received the official welcome yet, despite being here awhile, so I'll add it below:

Welcome!

Hello, Lawsonrob, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Thank you for experimenting with the page ASDA on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thank you for your understanding. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 23:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User pages

Hi, please post comments on User talk pages, not User pages. Your changes to User:M1ss1ontomars2k4 were removed -- Samir धर्म 23:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Er...with respect to the article ASDA, I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean by your calling me a "meddlesome individual". And as for "systems unknown", my edit summary specifically stated that I used VandalProof. And that ASDA targets lower-class people is not my viewpoint, but you failed to leave an edit summary, so there was no way to tell that you weren't simply trying to paint ASDA in a more positive light, which would have been a violation of WP:NPOV. For future reference, though, I don't currently have any officially-held roles on Wikipedia. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 23:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Lawsonrob, I see that you have again added your message on M1ss1ontomars2k4's user page instead of the talk page. This is vandalism and I have reverted it. Please stop posting messages like this on user pages. You should also sign messages you leave on talk pages, you can do this by adding ~~~~ after your comment, which automatically gets replaced with your signature. I also thought your message to M1ss1ontomars2k4 was highly inappropriate. Thanks, Gwernol 23:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Life

I'm a doctor and my girlfriend's a model. Thanks for the advice on life, but I'm doing better than you ever will -- Samir धर्म 23:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Samir, I have read your homepage on Wikipedia and you come across as the most smug, self satisfied and arrogant person in the world. Just so that you know, being a doctor does not make you a demi-god. --213.121.207.34 09:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

• lol, for once we agree on something lawsonrob 17.20 14 June 2006

[edit] South Shields

Had a good laugh reading the above - seems you are a bit of a fractious individual! Anyway, we have been having a bit of an edit war on the South Shields page re: meaning of Geordie. I have therefore drafted a compromise which I hope suits. Cheers --213.121.207.34 09:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Gates

Hi, and thanks for your edit to Bill Gates - however, it is noted in the article that as per WP:MoS, the notation KBE should not be put after his name - the edit has been reverted. Thanks! HawkerTyphoon 00:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sainsbury's

Why are you making pointless edits to this article? For example putting back the logo you uploaded, even though I replaced it with a far better quality image and also one which fits inside a thumbnail box!

Also replacing

"Sainsbury's did operate "Sainsbury's SavaCentres" which was launched as a joint venture with BHS in 1975 and became a wholly owned Sainsbury's subsidiary in 1989. In 1999 this format was merged into the regular superstore format."

with

"Sainsbury's did operate "Sainsbury's SavaCentres", originally a joint venture with BHS, but merged theses stores into the regular superstore format when the company relaunched in 2001."

The problem I have with your paragraph is the first is far more descriptive and correct. Your paragraph doesn't mention when it was founded, when BHS was bought out, and the decision to merge the format into regular Sainsbury's stores was made in 1999. Also when what "company relaunched in 2001"? Some of your edits were good, but if you can't stand them being improved upon then you haven't embraced the spirit of the project. Regards Mark83 14:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Sainsburys old logo.gif listed for deletion

[edit] Bobby Robson

Could you please be kind enough to stop refraining from adding that Bobby Robson appears to have aged consderably after his operation. He's battled cancer three times now, of course it is going to eventually catch up with him! He's also in his 70s, a time when the best of us physically age. It just seems like a rather pointless addition. Regards. hedpeguyuk 27 June 2006, 11:30 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Fred Dibnah

Just a message about your recent edits to the Fred Dibnah article. I have left some points at the talk page about the use of counties.... I trust you have familliarised yourself with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (places) - which stipulate that we should indeed use the current, post 1974 modern county systems in articles.

That is to say, you are quite within your rights to edit articles to say that places such as Bolton, Rochdale, Oldham etc are all in Greater Manchester, mentions of Lancashire should be placed as a mere afternote for historical context.

Given that Fred Dibnah was born before the government boundary changes, we should say that he was born in Bolton, Lancashire. Mentions of Greater Manchester as an afternote are quite permissible, and you were quite within your rights to edit the article in such a way.

If you take an interest in this field, I'd advise you to read up on articles such as County Watch - affilates of this group often use Wikipedia to promote their agenda, cause edit wars and bully other users, which resulted in the formation of the county naming conventions.

I hope I've helped somewhat. Please feel free to message me any time should you need support in this matter or others. Keep up the good work, Jhamez84 19:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

--No probs!... glad to help. Jhamez84 10:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit to Freddy Shepherd

Hi Lawsonrob, I've removed the text you readded to this article as it was unsourced and negative. Can you please read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and you'll get an idea of why this sort of material can't be added without very good sources. Happy editing - Peripitus (Talk) 12:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Lawsonrob - you seem to have not read the above article. Disparaging material that does not have a reliable source has no place in the Bio of a living person. I've reverted your edit and will continue to do so until you provide a reliable reference - Peripitus (Talk) 10:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Lawsonrob - a much better line now ! - Peripitus (Talk) 04:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries

Please start using edit summaries. It's a pain to ahve to go into each of your edits to see what it was; their use is a small courtesy to other editors of this site. --Tagishsimon (talk)

[edit] Edit summaries

Please start using edit summaries, particularly when you are making potentially controversial edits such as removing an image listed for deletion, as you did with the ASDA article. Mark83 23:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] link to British

Hello, when you want to link to the article about something British, please do not link to British, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as United Kingdom or Great Britain by writing out [[United Kingdom|British]] or [[Great Britain|British]]. Regards, Jeff3000 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unexplained removal of "citation" tags

Regarding your removal of a "citation needed" tag I placed in Kwik Save; I have reverted this. It is absolutely not acceptable to do this without providing a reference and/or clear (and justified) explanation for the removal. (You can do this either via the edit summary or refer to the talk page if there is not enough room.)

I also notice that you removed the tags I placed a month ago; I should have spotted this at the time and am putting them back.

If you need advice on including references, please ask someone for help.

Any further removal of tags without a suitable replacement/explanation will be treated as vandalism. Fourohfour 22:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Additional; having checked, I notice that it was you who added some of the disputed material in the first place (in these edits), I would like to know where you got the paragraph starting "Also, it could be argued that the British consumer has moved on." from. This sounds like original research to me, since it doesn't tell us who said it. Fourohfour 22:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Says it all that you removed the tags again without backing up your unsourced "facts" (read: probable speculation by yourself)... and then you tried to pass this off as reversion of vandalism(!). Was this in response to my last comment?

Childish.

Feel free to explain this at Talk:Kwik_Save#Lawsonrob's_tag_removal; I've requested the involvement of a neutral third party. Fourohfour 11:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Please do not remove maintenance notices from pages unless the required changes have been made. If you are uncertain whether the page requires further work, or if you disagree with the notice, please discuss these issues on the page's talk page before removing the notice from the page. These notices and comments are needed to establish community consensus about the status of a page. Thank you. Grouse 11:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You have twice removed a citation tag from Famous Residents of South Shields. That article has no references, contrary to WP:Cite. Please do not remove that tag again unless you provide the missing references. WVhybrid 03:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please sign your talk page comments

In the future, please sign your talk pages by adding ~~~~ at the end of your comment. It makes life much easier for those you are trying to communicate to if you take the time and courtesy to sign each time. (You can set your profile to remind you each time to sign your posts.) Thank you. WVhybrid 23:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference to Corbett Cresswell

Rob: I deleted your reference to Corbett Cresswell because:

• The reference didn't provide the needed fact - that Corbett Cresswell was a resident of South Shields.

In addition, the reference you provided wasn't formated correctly (but if it had been a useful reference, I would have taken the trouble to correct your error.)

Look, man, you obviously know something about this subject. Why don't you show you know how to improve your attitude, say by, adding some relevant references, adding notes to your edit box before saving, and signing your edits. (You've been told how to do that before.) Thanks. WVhybrid 05:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Lawsonrob: Thank you for signing your post on my talk page. I appreciate the courtesy. And thank you for the reference. Unfortunately, it doesn't meet Wikipedia's requirements for reliable sources. Please see WP:RS#Using_online_and_self-published_sources. Again, thank you. WVhybrid 21:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Mr. Lawson, good to hear from you again.

But I'm afraid that once again we are not in agreement. Your statement that a birthplace does not require a reference is not correct. All facts need citation in Wikipedia. Please see WP:NOR. Specifically, the policy states:Articles may not contain any unpublished arguments, ideas, data, or theories; or any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published arguments, ideas, data, or theories that serves to advance a position.

In the case of Sheila Graber, quite frankly I don't I don't have any way of knowing if the asserted fact is correct. Is there some intrinsic reason anyone should know this fact without a citation? Facts without citations are not part of Wikipedia's policies. I agree that the references provided confirm that the person is notable. But none of the references provide the fact at hand, that is, that Ms. Graber is associated with South Shields. As for the other folks you mention, the references do provide a relation to the towns you mentioned. I'm sure that somewhere this fact is published. I can't find it anywhere. If you can, please provide it.

One more item, Rob. Your statement about when tags are needed is not in alignment with WP:AGF. Per WP:AGF, I think I deserve the benefit of a doubt, that I'm trying to improve the encylcopedic value of the articles I edit. I certainly have done nothing to impune either the article or the editor when I ask for references. I've simply asked for references, nothing more, nothing less.

My motivation behind all of these reference requests is straightforward, Rob. I want to bring the article Famous Residents of South Shields up to featured list status. That goal won't be reached without the specific reference for each person on the list. Why don't chip in and help me find the last few missing references, then we can both have a little pride of accomplishment. WVhybrid 22:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Morrisons" reversions

(Comment moved here by Fourohfour following incorrect placement on Lawsonrob user page). - Apologies for the honest mistake John the mackem 15:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I keep reverting this line on the Morrisons article:

• All new-build Morrisons stores include a clock tower, usually above the main entrance. This means that most former Safeway stores can be identified by their lack of this feature. Exceptions to this would include older Morrisons stores, such as the branch in Leeds city centre.

The reason is that it does not make sense. The line says "All new-build Morrisons stores", therefore older stores such as the one in Leeds are not exceptions to a rule, because they're not newly-built stores. John the mackem 18:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Billy Blyton, Baron Blyton

Hi, please don't make copy and paste moves (see Wikipedia:How to fix cut and paste moves). You can request controversial moves or uncontroversial, you can't do, at Wikipedia:Requested Moves (see also Help:Moving a page). By the way on articles about peers it is usage to include the title (see Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(names_and_titles)#Other_non-royal_names). Greetings ~~ Phoe _talk 09:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC) ~~

Please avoid copy and paste moves, these could be considered as vandalism. Thanks ~~ Phoe _talk 20:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC) ~~