Talk:Lawrence of Arabia (film)

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Archives Contents 1 NPOV 2 Article Title 3 Lawrence of Arabia 4 A "documentary"? 5 Trivia 5.1 Failed 6 Sourcing 7 Reasons for a failed nomination 8 Quicksand

[edit] NPOV

This article is almost entirely americentric: No British POV, No Arab POV. It almost completely ignores all non american awards. This needs to be addressed. Alkivar 22:56, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Like the rest of Wikipedia, sorry to say. -- Simonides 00:34, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes except its pointedly obvious in this article as it deals with a British soldier in Arabian lands. Most other articles with an americentric angle at least are primarily American in origin. Alkivar 01:36, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Title

Since the person is covered on T. E. Lawrence, this page may as well be about the film -- Tarquin

The film should be at Lawrence of Arabia (film) and this should be a redirect. --Jiang

Since T. E. Lawrence is covering the person, the Lawrence of Arabia does not need the addition (film). A bidirectional link at the beginning should be enough. Fantasy 09:02, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

No, many links refer to the person and not the film. Just because the person article exists does not mean this article is freed up. Links will more often refer to the person, I believe. --Jiang 09:05, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

There is a simple method to fix this: Have a look at

• http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=T._E._Lawrence

and

• http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Lawrence_of_Arabia

and set the wrong links right. It seems to me, that there are not so many wrong links, what do you say? Fantasy 09:28, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

The problem is that people will create wrong links in the future. I guess it's doable if this page is constantly monitored to prevent people from adding the wrong link --Jiang 17:06, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Please, do have a look at this two lists. You will see, that it is clear already that People just know that this are two different things. And if someone is directed to the wrong page, the first line will tell him to go to the right page (and he can correct the wrong linking). Don't worry too much about this. Wikipedia has some kind of self-healing system... ;-) Fantasy 20:55, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

PS: It is not "doable", it is standard to watch pages in Wikipedia. I do it every day (and night). Thats the reason, why Wikipedia works.

Alrighty. But do check back once in a while though. --Jiang

Since T.E. Lawrence has been known as "Lawrence of Arabia" since 1919 (credited to Lowell Thomas), some 43 years before the film, this page should be a redirect to the man and should not host the film page. In the long run the man is bound to generate more links to this page than the film. If it were merely the title of a book rather than a film would we be having this debate? Mintguy 21:42, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not know that. For me "Lawrence of Arabia" was always just the film (I love btw.). Change it to whatever you want, I am not oposing it. Fantasy 22:44, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Look, the guy has a name and should clearly go under his official name (TE Lawrence) with perhaps a slight note on the top of the film page with a link to the man's page. Re: the rather condescending comment about "would we have done this if it were just a book" the answer is, if the book had acheived such a landmark status as the movie, then certainly we would. This isn't just any movie, it's the winner of a Best Picture, it's a three and a half hour epic that people sit and watch. It's a jewel of the cinema, pure and simple. No need to get condescending about it. nwt, 7:22 AM CDT, 21 Aug 2003

I don't quite understand where you're coming from. I don't think I was being condescending. I'm a big fan of the film. There is no question the T.E Lawrence should be at [[T.E. Lawrence]]. The question is, should [[Lawrence of Arabia]] be about the film or should it be a redirect to the man, and the film be at Lawrence of Arabia (film). T.E. Lawrence was popularly known as Lawrence of Arabia for nearly 50 years before the film was made. The average person is more likely to know of the man by Lawrence of Arabia than by his real name. Mintguy 12:37, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Lawrence of Arabia

Should Lawrence of Arabia (history) be a redirect to the man, a redirect to the film, or a disambiguation page? Sgt Pinback 16:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A "documentary"?

I hadn't thought that this film was ever marketed as a documentary, or even a historical reconstruction. Rather, it's a big budget entertainment more or less based on real events with more or less real people.

In view of this, I'm surprised that by far the largest section is on "Historicity".

I don't know much about the movie, but my impression was that it succeeded or largely on the strength of its virtues as a movie, not as a historical work. Perhaps we need more about the former. -- Hoary 15:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

I don't see how a "Good Article" can have "trivia" in it. If the "trivia" isn't really trivial, move it where appropriate within the article; if it really is trivia, delete it. -- Hoary 15:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failed

For being on hold for a week.--SeizureDog 11:14, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing

Where does all the information come from? -- Hoary 15:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reasons for a failed nomination

It may be helpful to add some imput as to why this nomination should fail in order to facilitate future GA nominations. This article will need siginificant work before becoming a GA, as it's almost in the "Start" grade in terms of development. Why?

• There is no plot!!!
• There is almost nothing in the article concerning the casting, production, etc of the film.

There are of course, many other issues, but those are the two big ones. It's to my opinion, at this point in the article's history, that only the support of a well versed fan of the film can really drive this article forward.--P-Chan 17:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Plot!!! Clarityfiend 17:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quicksand

While Mythbusters debunked the idea that wet quicksand can kill, apparently the same cannot be said of dry quicksand. The appropriate changes have been made. Clarityfiend 06:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)