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This is an archive of threads started in User talk:Lar from about about 15 October 2006 through about 1 November 2006. Please do not comment here, use my current talk page for that, thanks. It is part of a series of archives, see the box at left for the list and to navigate to others.
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Archive 3 — 1 Mar 2006 through 1 Apr 2006
Archive 4 — 1 Apr 2006 through 15 Apr 2006
Archive 5 — 15 Apr 2006 through 1 May 2006
Archive 6 — 1 May 2006 through 15 May 2006
Archive 7 — 15 May 2006 through 1 June 2006
Archive 8 — 1 June 2006 through 15 June 2006
Archive 9 — 15 June 2006 through 1 July 2006
Archive 10 — 1 July 2006 through 15 July 2006
Archive 11 — 15 July 2006 through 1 August 2006
Archive 12 — 1 August 2006 through 15 August 2006
Archive 13 — 15 August 2006 through 1 September 2006
Archive 14 — 1 September 2006 through 15 September 2006
Archive 15 — 15 September 2006 through 1 October 2006
Archive 16 — 1 October 2006 through 15 October 2006
Archive 17 — 15 October 2006 through 1 November 2006
Archive 18 — 1 November 2006 through 15 November 2006
Archive 19 — 15 November 2006 through 1 December 2006
Archive 20 — 1 December 2006 through 15 December 2006
Archive 21 — 15 December 2006 through 1 January 2007
Archive 22 — 1 January 2007 through 15 January 2007
Archive 23 — 15 January 2006 through 1 February 2007
RfA Thank Yous
RFA Archive — Howcheng (27 Dec 2005) through present
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[edit] Re: my RfA

Hi Lar. I just wanted to thank you for your support in my request for adminship, even though it didn't come in the form of a support "vote". (You also deserve still more thanks for your tireless on and regarding WP:SRNC.)

As with any person in any community, there are editors on Wikipedia whose opinion I respect, and those whose opinion I unfortunately I do not. Yours I do. Freakofnurture's I do not. Unfortunately, this puts me in a bit of a bind, since the two of you seem to have the same opinion. Thus I was hoping you could help me out so that I could better myself as an editor -- regardless of whether or not I go through a third RfA somewhere down the line.

I was wondering specifically which of the incidents Freakofnurture cited give you a bad feeling, and what I can do to solve those fears -- whether it's in direct response to those incidents, or in general. Any coaching you're willing to provide would be much appreciated. -- NORTH talk 14:53, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. tough question. Have you done the Esperanza coaching thing? I'm not sure I can give a crisp "don't do this" answer. I just looked at the links Freak gave and while he felt you were doing the wrong htings the wrong way, I was more like you were doing the right things the wrong way. There's something about your manner in SRNC that comes off as being a bit, ok, I dunno. edgy. There was one hardass there, me, everyone else needed to be mellower than usual... it's almost if you're right, don't be strident about it. Dunno if that helps or not. I try (not always perfectly, mind you!) to not be snippy, or harsh, to use soft words and to be civil. Hope it helps a little. ++Lar: t/c 15:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trentino-South Tyrol: Why I can not contribute at the moment / Ignoring the Law / NPOV

Hi,

After some time not looking at the double naming issue anymore (it hurt toooo much) I heard that you now try to mediate. I am happy to hear that someone at least tries it.

I just wanted to let you know why I can not contribute to the South-Tyrol pages for now:

  • I have many italian friends
  • I love italy and the italians
  • I am italian
  • I live in a place in Italy where nearly everyone speaks german and the name of the place was "italianised" by force, but no one uses the invented italian name.

The main reason for the issue hurting me soo much is for comments from people who don't know anything about my home place and then saying things like "it's in italy, so the name has to be italian". The truth is not so simple. And it hurts if people change reality by making things simple.

The fact is, that South Tyrol is protected by (italian)law from italians trying to take away our german. German and Italian has equal rights in South Tyrol. By law.

The bigges problem is: You can not just take a mojority vote in Wikipedia and uses that as an excuse to ignore law. The law is here to protect minorities. How do you protect a minority in a majority vote where you have 50(?) Million italians against 200.000 german speaking South Tyroleans? There is no way that this minority can survive in Wikipedia if you do everything by mojority votings.

This whole issue is so frustrating, because added to being a minority, the English of the South Tyroleans is really bad, because we learn it as third or fourth language (first we HAVE to learn german, then italian, some also ladin, and only in the end a little bit english). How can we fight for our rights in the english Wikipedia if the italians have such a big majority and so simple arguments.

And additionally my granfather was tortured by italians and died in prison because he fighted for the right that the german speakers have the same rights as the italian speakers in South Tyrol. Maybe you can understand that people who want to eliminate the german names in South Tyrol really upset me personally, and I can not discuss with people who just say "it's italy, so use italian". This is like torturing me (and 200.000 other people).

What I want to say: Please understand that I can not contribute, but please don't forget that it is about a weak minority being suppressed by a strong big majority. Do you want to support this behaviour against italian law?

Should Wikipedia follow the law?

Is NPOV not also bound to follow the law and not change it by a simple majority vote?

Thanks for your time and efforts, Fantasy 10:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. The more I dig into this the more tangled it gets. I feel for you and your family. But the problem is that Wikipedia is primarily concerned with presenting information in an unbiased way. Getting involved in long standing disputes, or presenting something as the truth, or taking sides, is not what WP can, or should be doing. The names chosen to be used by WP should reflect what makes the most sense for those most likely to look for the information. What that means, I am not sure yet. This clearly is going to take a while to work through. ++Lar: t/c 11:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the "...taking sides, is not what WP can, or should be doing." is exactly what I was trying to tell you. Every place in South Tyrol has two names by law. If you choose one you take side (against NPOV). If you take both names (e.g. Bolzano-Bozen) you use NPOV. Any other solution is taking sides, and that is what I think we should avoid. At least on that we agree: No taking side, NPOV stands above all ;-) Fantasy 16:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
The problem I have here is that it seems almost "crazy" to think that a name itself is a source of this much friction. Even with your explanation... so must ponder. ++Lar: t/c 23:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Let me offer an explanation. My family is from "over the hill" in Trentino, and even though I've been born and raised in the US -- I can understand Fantasy's feelings. Imagine these villages are often 500 to 2000 people, and have families that have lived there for literally centuries. These towns themselves are like a family. It may seem somewhat abstract, but this is the case. Then imagine that someone shows up and forcibly tries to rename the village, etc. This is like a stab in the heart. I think it may be difficult for us to understand in the US. Either because we are all here in this melting pot recently, or because someone hasn't shown up and said New York is now 24HourTallBuildingTown. :-) It absolutely breaks my heart to hear this story of Fantasy's grandfather. For one, I have so much emotion for this region, the land, and its people. To hear of someone who lost -anyone- here is just obscene. I never got to meet one of my grandfathers because of the aftermath of the b.s. we call World War II, so this hits hard. Anyway, I really hope when Fantasy says "italians trying to take away our german", this is a description of the relatively few years of the Fascist dictatorship and doesn't reflect anything now. As far as I know this is a time that has past. The same thing happened to the Italians at one point, which we should also remember. Regardless, my opinion still is that this region (as many others) has been romanized, germanized, italianized, etc., etc. Romans came in and pushed around the original people. Germans/Austrians came in and pushed those Romans. Italians came into German villages such as Fantasy's and did the same junk. But in the end the majority of people in the region have been there for centuries, just under different rulers. The language they speak afterall is just that, a language. I come from an "Italian" area, but no one will tell me that people like Fantasy over in Bolzano-Bozen are not my cousins. Anyway, I hope out of this mediation we do at least keep the possibility open of using the double names. I don't think it gets too far away from Wiki principles, because in this province it is in fact common to see Bolzano-Bozen, Merano-Meran, etc. written everywhere. They are all the same name really, different languages -- same origin. Anyway, don't worry Lars. ^_^ cya guys. Taalo 03:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Look, there have been countless situations very similar to this, and in every case the 'majority' is nothing more than renaming to the modern, there here-and-now. Look at Poland - what used to be the city of Lwow in Poland is now the city of Lviv in Ukraine. Did the Polish-speaking population complain that the (at the time) Russians were 'trying to take away their Polish?' - probably. What was the end result? Assimilation. Want to hear a hard story? Imagine living as my wife did under communism - waking up in your country (or the puppet it represented) and going to school to have to stare at the flag of another country and learn it's language and songs, etc. The situation in South Tyrol is different - it belongs to the Italian government now. It was decided upon by both sides, that's it. It wasn't the kind of assimilation like Poland was under with the Soviet Union. So by the Italians assigning names and such, well, look again at Lviv. After that region was turned over to Ukraine, well, the names were reassigned (from Polish to Ukrainian/Russian) and the people had to assimilate. It didn't necessarily take anything away - but I feel in the case of South Tyrol, well, the Italian government is the one that owns the area (like it or not). I'm sure there are many regions along volatile borders that have experienced the same thing. Bottom line is that as it has been said, a final decision may end up causing hardship or insulting a group (whether majority or minority). And as everything else in the world, we will all have to learn to live with it. Taalo and I mainly started in on this because of the unilateral approach that occurred last year without consensus or the kind of open discussion that is occurring today. So if we go with something that is NPOV and appeases two naming conventions, that may be the most neutral approach possible (given that choosing the minority causes prejudice to the minority in their own country!). Rarelibra 20:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Italian Law and the legal position

You appear to be having a problem understanding Italian and European law. All is explained here

You need to study specifically: Articles 101 and 102

The following which should be read in conjunction may assist you in your comprehension:

  • [2]
  • Note this phrase: "As regards place names and proper names, the national authorities use and accept place names in their correct, traditional German form and all given names and surnames can be used in German." However, it does not point out that is only when those given names are recognised within Italian law.

I think you will see the law is quite easily understood in this instance. I draw no conclusions I merely point out the legalities of the situation Giano 07:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the pointers to that. I wasn't really thinking this was a legal problem per se... Do you think Italian law is binding on WP in this instance or is that information more of a guide to understanding people's thinking? ++Lar: t/c 10:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
  • The laws of Italy are only binding in Italy, but recognising the official Italian stance helps us to have a clearer picture and validity of the Italian viewpoint. The law decrees it is concrete that both German and Italian names are valid, therefore so titled under international law which means Wikipedia is at liberty to choose. Unlike Roma and Rome etc lesser known places, in the English speaking world, often vary in common usage according to the education and pretensions of the speaker. So Wikipedia has to decide how educated (or pretentious) it wishes to be. It will be impossible to please everyone so one has to weigh the legal and historic arguments against the clamour of those who may be educated, uneducated or merely pretentious. Did the Italian Government recognise Germanic names as a concession to a minority group who had engaged in terrorism, or was it responding to the Germanic heritage of many of its citizens and unifying names in accordance with common naming referrals across Europe. Alternatively you to can consider the names commonly given these places by returning American holiday makers - ie check out your travel agent's sites, but that of course leaves you again dependant on the education of your travel agent. You seem to have landed yourself in a minefield. Giano 11:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
OH come on now, give me a break. :) I swear there is are a few who just wants to scare Lars away. LOL. Taalo 05:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd prefer to assume good faith, that Giano really just wants to offer information that might have bearing in order to be helpful. I'm not scared at all. It's just a lot to come to grips with, and people clearly have a lot invested in this, it's quite tangled. Which is why this is not going to get resolved in a day. ++Lar: t/c 05:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, partly this is the problem of having discussions through text. I was literally laughing (LOL) when I was writing those sentences -- but obviously that doesn't easily come across. ;] Anyway, I have a good feeling that this all can be sorted out and then some real good articles generated. However much time it takes to resolve things properly is priceless in the end. later. Taalo 07:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I suppose that first we address the names of the cities, and then we can move on to the North Italian highway names.  :) Regards, Newyorkbrad 11:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

hear, hear! hahah. Taalo 05:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
PS it's "Lar" (short for Larry) rather than "Lars" (scandinavian name)... no worries though, it's not a big NAMING CONTROVERSY!!! :) ++Lar: t/c 05:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. The way I read the document provided above at [3] - from the official website of the province, no less, is that the name is to be "Trentino-Alto Adige", the province being "Bolzano", etc. So in standing on a proper naming convention, offering up a dual-name NPOV is actually flexing a bit to allow an official stance with ties to the German language as well (instead of just naming it an English translation of just a German name). Rarelibra 20:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

This time is my turn to laugh: the official name of the region is "Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol" but the lemmata are not the same
We shut discuss to name Province of Trento Trentino, being the second the most commonly used name also in English ([4] and [5])--Martin Se 16:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't see what you are laughing about as I didn't quite follow your point. It is a valid opinion to use Trentino instead of Province of Trento. Though you'll find most, if not all, province pages just are named Province, etc. That is why I favour using Province of Trento or Province of Bolzano. Redirects from Trentino and Alto Adige/Südtirol/South Tyrol. But that is just me. Taalo 18:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

My administratorship candidacy succeeded with a final tally of 81/0/1. I appreciate your support. Results are at Wikipedia:Recently_created_admins#Durova. Warmly, Durova 14:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old case, new thread

Hi. You were the last person to comment on this thread at AN/I. As the case has blown up afresh at AN/I today with all the same arguments, it would be much appreciated if you could pop over and give a perspective on things. Many thanks for your time, Aquilina 10:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Sigh... Commented. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. ++Lar: t/c 11:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
See the last post in the thread. I answer your question one minute before you asked it! Wikipedia:Community probation was started when I gave Mccready a one month topic ban from PS articles. --FloNight 18:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
See that now, and thanks also for the answer on IRC, Ms. Nightingale. Much appreciated. However I'm not clear how all of a sudden I'm the lead admin on this. :) ++Lar: t/c 19:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oops!

Hello Lar, I got your name off the list of "Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles" . About 2 days ago I was fooling around with tags on a page that I had created on an ophthalmologist Selig Percy Amoils. I put a "speedy delete" tag on the article, and when I looked again it wasn't there...... Could you please help to restore the piece? Thank you Paul venter 16:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

It was restored, and I removed the speedy, but you will need to address the issues in the article, since it's very stubby. ..."remove speedy added by User:Paul venter at his request. Article should be improved or may be speedied anyway soon." was my revision note. Good luck, happy editing! ++Lar: t/c 17:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for helping - it is much appreciated!! Paul venter 18:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
No problem but you are on your own now, if someone else respeedies it or noms it for AfD in its current state I would tend to support. I saw the removed stuff (copyvio?) and if that can be put back in wihtout copyvios he's notable in my view. Good luck. ++Lar: t/c 18:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

I'm now out of the hospital, which is good. Thank you!--Kyoko 20:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kingboyk quits The Beatles

I may be pushing it here, but I feel your diplomatic skills may be needed. Following a heavy re-editing of Paul McCartney there was a tiff between two major participants in The Beatles Project, as evidenced here and here. I realise that my comments may not have helped, and if being censured by a third party is deemed appropriate in getting people back then I will take it on the chin, but I believed I was doing the best for all concerned. I also quite understand if you do not feel you want to get involved, but I know you and Kingboyk go back a while. LessHeard vanU 16:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Saw some of this from the edges. Am not sure what to think. The Beatles article quality clearly is degrading and we don't have people that want to take the lead (I sure don't) to take care of it coming out of our ears, losing Kingboyk would be bad... but we're all volunteers too so I dunno. I will see what I can figure out to do or say, thanks for bringing it to my attention. ++Lar: t/c 16:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I think it would be a very good idea if I stayed away from this from now on - my attempts at healing may have contributed toward events; User:Vera, Chuck & Dave has now also quit the Project - and I didn't even speak to him!. I hope you succeed in your efforts (when you decide what they should be!) LessHeard vanU 16:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA!

               Lar, thank you so much for your support for my RfA. I passed with a vote tally of 61/0/1. I am honored that the consensus was to allow me the added privilege of the admin mop. I appreciate your support and complimentary words on my RFA, as well as your note of congratulations! --plange 21:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Danny's contest

Has there been a decision on Wikipedia:Danny's contest? User:Zoe|(talk) 17:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

We are waiting input from two of the judges to be able to tabulate raw scores. Please feel free to nudge Sannse and Fuzheado if you like. :) Sorry for the delay! ++Lar: t/c 18:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] A very Californian RfA thanks from Luna Santin

 Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of (97/4/4)! I've never been able to accept compliments gracefully, and the heavy support from this outstanding community left me at a complete loss for words -- so, a very belated thank you for all of your kind words.

I have done and will continue to do the utmost to serve the community in this new capacity, wherever it may take me, and to set an example others might wish to follow in. With a little luck and a lot of advice, this may be enough. Maybe someday the enwiki admins of the future will look back and say, "Yeah, that guy was an admin." Hopefully then they don't start talking about the explosive ArbComm case I got tied into and oh what a drama that was, but we'll see, won't we?

Surely some of you have seen me in action by now; with that in mind, I openly invite and welcome any feedback here or here -- help me become the best editor and sysop I can be.

Again, thank you. –Luna Santin
As I recall, you mentioned on IRC that you're not too fond of this spamming trend, but I did especially want to thank you for your input, both your !vote and your earlier advice to me. Both are especially valuable because I could tell that you seriously considered the questions and issues involved in an RfA -- independent thinkers are very important, I think. So, thank you. Luna Santin 19:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I think you may be thinking of others. I love thankyous, as long as they are not completely generic. Yours isn't. ++Lar: t/c 19:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Might want to check out User:Gene Centauri

FYI - Gene Centauri (talk • contribs • count) appears to be someone's sock harrassing User:Gene Poole and User:Centauri, may be username blockable... Georgewilliamherbert 02:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Seems that way to me as well. Blocked. Thanks for the heads up. ++Lar: t/c 02:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Or someone who wants it to look like that to make a point. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 04:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
FYI, Gene is telling people he thinks it's Wik, but I have no idea how to verify that... I think Wik's behavior problems all predate my time here. Georgewilliamherbert 05:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I know he is. And he's telling Jimmy that DreamGuy created these socks. [6]. I'm not aware of any evidence at all that supports that claim (and there's no RFCU listed). It's just a bit too convenient for my liking. Especially after Elonka's RfA and Taxman discounting Centauri's !vote as Gene's sockpuppet. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 05:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, admin party at my talk page! Well actually filling out CU requests is a lot of work so I tend to just block based on obviousness. Gene Centauri was an ID up to no good regardless of whose sock it might be, and an attack name too, so that's a good enough reason to block for me, and I did. If someone wanted to CU Gene Poole and Centauri, that would be fine by me, but that accusation has been hurled around a lot, and it's actual work so :) But ya... it all is just a bit too convenient isn't it? But those other socks mentioned.. might as well block them too. which I will if they aren't already... they weren't so I did. Thanks for the info, all... ++Lar: t/c 11:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] how did you make your user space so sweet?

seriously, I would love to set mine up like yours but I have no idea how. PStrait 04:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for your kind words. I can only suggest that you do what I did, look at the source of pages you like to see how things were done. If it's the tabs you like, I suggest looking at User:Lar/HeaderTabs, which uses User:Lar/ActiveTab and User:Lar/OtherTab to achieve the effect of a current tab (that blends with the frame) and other inactive tabs. Unlike Phaedriel I won't even try to commit to redoing other people's pages for them! But... if you have specific questions about things I will do my best to answer them for you. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 12:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comanche_cph seems to be back

I removed an unsourced and subjective statement from the article about Copenhagen about a minute ago. I suspect that it is the same individual using that IP (User:125.235.247.223) as the one who uses the account User:Comanche_cph, since that edit [7] is identical to the one made by Comanche_cph [8] in August this year. (Comparison here) The same anonymous user have also made an edit to the article about Scandinavia, that more or less matches the opinions expressed by Comanche cph before he/she was blocked this summer. This anonymous user hasn't overstepped yet (except for what I've corrected in the Copenhagen article), and AFAIK the block has expired. But I'd like to inform you anyway, in case we have another revert war on our hands. /M.O (u) (t) 10:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, I will keep an eye on this. ++Lar: t/c 13:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please help (again)

Lar, I must apologize for contacting you again, however it seems that I am continually being pursued by User:Gryffndor in the events that occurred a while back regarding South Tyrol. If you look at my contributions since the initiation of mediation, I have gone on to make edits regarding the geography of various Cantons of France, several edits regarding telecommunications companies, edits with telecommunications and mapping categories, etc. I have no wish to interact with Gryffndor - in fact, I have recently been approved for using VandalBot and joined Esperanza as well. Can you please help by letting Gryffndor know that I wish to have no involvement, and that because of the recent events he should please avoid any more antagonism? Thank you. Rarelibra 23:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Well what is he doing exactly that you find objectionable? Do you have specific diffs that you could share? I've talked to him and I find him reasonable for the most part, and I find you reasonable for the most part as well. Avoiding each other does seem prudent. ++Lar: t/c 00:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, for one, I added an archive page which he failed to notice and has since added things back - though I am allowed the archive page as Wikipedia states. I wish he would just go his way and leave me alone, as my edits are contributing to positive not negative. Rarelibra 15:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Just politely point out that there is an archive, but if stuff comes back perhaps it is because it's important? ++Lar: t/c 19:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Lar - there's no denying importance. But I do have the right to archive with availability. That is within the rules of Wikipedia. I just want this monkey off my back so I can continue to do edits and make contributions on a daily basis. That's all. Rarelibra 01:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Can you give a diff to where this happened? Archiving of your user page certainly is in your control, but archiving of discussion pages, by convention, if something is sitll being talked about, anyone can and should bring back. Without diffs or at least a link to what page, I can't help you more than that. ++Lar: t/c 01:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
That is the whole point here. I was pretty much done with anything and everything to do with Gryffndor, but he is STILL pursuing me (waiting a week or so and then posting a sockpuppet accusation against a friend of mine, and then posting to my talk page). The discussion isn't ongoing, it was dead, and he keeps bringing it back up. I just want to be left alone - on a daily basis I make telecom and (currently) French administrative unit entries. On a more positive note, are we anywhere close to solving the South Tyrol issue? Rarelibra 07:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Please give a diff. I can't even try to help you without a diff. You do know what a diff is, right? Please let me know if that is not clear. We are not close to being done with South Tyrol as I have not come to grips with it. ++Lar: t/c 11:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

It's been taken care of by another admin, quoting that a user doesn't have to keep such warning templates on their talk pages - and if someone like Gryffndor continues to revert the changes, he is actually in jeopardy of the 3RR rule. Rarelibra 18:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes I saw... I went and took a look at your user talk because I suspected that maybe was what it was, despite your not giving me the diffs I asked for, several times. You should know that there is controversy around whether removal of warnings is uniformly a good idea or not. Myself, if I'm watching a particularly troublesome editor, I tend to look on warning removal rather unfavourably, as it makes the job of other admins harder. The issue here though in my view is that neither of you should be interacting with the other more than absolutely necessary. In future, though, if you ask for help with something, and are asked for a diff, provide it in your hext response, it will help a lot. ++Lar: t/c 18:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Lar - I didn't mean to give the impression of ignoring you, I really don't know what a diff is... :( Could you educate me? BTW - I saw your user page and see that your name is Polish? Rarelibra 19:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
this is a diff. (actually showing your addition just above as it turns out) You get it by going to the history of a page, and selecting the versions to compare with radio buttons, and pressing the diff button at the top, and then copying the URL. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 19:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] guilty

My secret pleasure... (an anonymous contributor)

Dear Lar,
Thank you for attempting to educate me about image uploading. The Shameful Truth is that I was well aware of this fact and ignored it in a Disgraceful Manner due to the Lateness of the Hour, Laziness, and various Serious Character Defects that are too numerous to detail here.
Surely I shall Burn in Hell for this and my other Wikipedia Transgressions.
A Fallen Wikipedian, FloNight 18:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


Quite the Gentleman you are Lar! Your scheme will surely stop interlopers from intruding into our Morality play. More to the point, wouldn't your Fallen Wikipedian by definition be an Extra Friendly Wikipedian? ;-) FloNight 22:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you for helping with admin coaching! Highway Grammar Enforcer! 20:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

So would you prefer to be moved to inactive at present, or would still want to contribute with a co-partner? Highway Grammar Enforcer! 17:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I really liked having Petros as a partner so I think inactive as long as Petros is... ++Lar: t/c 21:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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