Talk:Larry Seidlin

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This article was nominated for deletion on 25 February 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

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[edit] Birthday

I checked on birthdatabase.com, and it seems Seidlin's real DOB is May 24th, 1950. It is the only person who even fits his name and age within 10 years, not to mention it has him listed as living in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

[edit] POV issues

I don't know who created this article, but it was blatantly riddled with POV problems, and the article needs immediate attention given that the article is about someone of current importance in the news. (The article subject might also be lacking in notability.) Chicken Wing 16:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't confirm the details of his life prior to becoming a judge, though I am loathe to remove them without making this article more of a stub than it already is. I already attempted to remove some of the POV of the article, though it needs some polishing. The only thing that is consistently inferred whenever I read about Seidlin is that he likes drawing attention to himself, and gives more credence to the idea that he might want his own television show. That aside, I hardly think he's notable. --PeanutCheeseBar 20:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with the above who believe Seidlin is not notable. The man is live on television currently on multiple news networks for hours at a time. He has been making a name for himself and shows like "On the Record" have had highlight clips of the Judge. A search on Google News responds with over 3,500 articles with his name in it. I do believe he is notable. I actually searched for him earlier the day and was surprised to find no Wikipedia article about him. Even for the sake of argument, let us say he is not "notable," does it really hurt to have an article about a Florida Judge on Wikipedia? I'm simply perplexed. {User: Jragozine} 23:00, 21 February 2007 {UTC}

Given the reports that are being shown on the news, the man is obviously just trying to get attention, and I don't think there is much that is notable about that. That aside, what other notable or extraordinary things has he done in his life (and that separates him from other Florida judges) to merit being listed on this site? Having an article on Wikipedia doesn't just serve to indicate the man exists, it also reinforces the fact that he did something important. Short ofpresiding over the Anna Nicole Smith case, I daresay he isn't unlike any other judge out there with far-fetched dreams of having his own television show; he simply was lucky enough to get the case. --PeanutCheeseBar 12:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I say take the entire 'Anna Nicole Smith' section out until it is cleaned up of non-neutral statements.

Cheese Head,

Have you watched any of the proceedings? How can you say this guy doesn't deserve an article? He is on TV all the time now, more than that he is a straight crack-up.

The only "notable" thing he's done is flagrantly drawn attention to himself. Sure, he's getting a lot of attention now, but unless he actually DOES end up getting a television show (as some people people suspect he's trying to do), he'll likely fade from public view, and be nothing more than a pockmark on history's ass, for lack of a nicer way to say it. The only reason he's remotely notable now is because the media tends to report on foolish or inane matters, and since they want something to show, he's giving it to them; anybody else could have done the same thing in his position. --PeanutCheeseBar 20:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Not True,

Cheese, You obviously haven't followed the case closely. This guy judgement has been very interesting and what I thought was fair. Moreover, what is your source for him apparently starting a show? You have a reference? I heard a bunch of people say it but where is the source? So far it is entirely speculation and should be excluded from the article. 67.177.53.16 05:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

You're kidding, right? There's an external link within the article to a FOXNews story about his antics. That aside, I just don't think one attention-whoring judge is worthy of an article, considering that there are probably several other judges like him out there; Seidlin was just lucky enough to get the case. If he 'has' to have an article, in the very least, the POV material that people keep editing in needs to be removed, and more attention should be drawn to the criticism of the way he conducts his courtroom. --PeanutCheeseBar 15:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you shure that Larry Seidlin is also Michael Corleone? ;-) (Look at the picture.. I just don't know how to replace it..)

I suspect that the Corleone pic was a spoof...I put the original picture of Seidlin back in. --Waters' Gate 21:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

why does it say immediately that he is a Jewish American? How is the most important bit of information about this judge? --69.113.38.124 16:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Question as to why I used the expression "overtly theatrical" - Simple - The BBC, a respected media organisation used it, and a reasonable man would suggest that a Judge of many years standing would be unlikely to respond in such a fashion when he has clearly tried a number of cases before. Also, if the clip, cited as evidence is viewed, the behaviour of the judge can be reasonably adduced as being out of character for a figure of seniority within the judiciary. By all means have the discussion here - but don't just delete the whole paragraph, which contains some 1st hand evidence of the character and disposition of the subject of the article. Stevingtonian 18:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

I listed this page for deletion as being a non-notable "10 minute of fame" type person. Hallibrah 03:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

• I disagree, and think this article should remain. If nothing else of interest happens regarding this guy after the Anna Nicole Smith crap fades away, maybe this article can be condensed into a paragraph under Anna Nicole Smith, but deleting it completely doesn't make any sense. He's certainly met the "notability" requirement for wiki, and his name is bound to appear in small references for years to come, prompting people to wonder who he is. Prgrmr@wrk 05:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
• Though I do think the article needs to be deleted if he doesn't get a show (as there's nothing else very notable or important that he's done, aside from presiding over this case and "acting out", which PLENTY of judges do), I don't really think that his article should be merged or integrated with Anna Nicole Smith's; though he "put on a show" during a trial over her body, I find it hard to find reasoning behind why people's reactions to his actions and statements should be in someone else's article. --PeanutCheeseBar 13:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
• This article needs to stay, you're crazy to think he is not notable. I've had conversations with multiple people over the past few days about Seidlin, many of which have brought the topic up with me. If Judge Lance Allan Ito has a page Seidlin should have one as well. Really we are talking about the same notability with both, the only difference is that Ito was on tv for a longer period of time.--Jragozine 18:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Ito may have been on television longer, in what I believe was a much higher-profile case, but aside from presiding over the OJ case, there isn't much about him that is notable or separates him from other judges. In a way, the same goes for Seidlin; he simply chose to shorten (and sensationalize) the trial, and draw more attention to himself. The result is that this article has fluctuated in terms of quality, with much POV or opinion-based information being included. I don't completely agree with Hallibrah's notion to delete the page (hence my voting "Keep for now"), but at the same time, there is not a lot of coverage in the article about negative consequences or controversy for his actions and statements; without that, the article just doesn't seem fleshed out enough, and gives off the appearance that there aren't any consequences for what he did (save for being parodied on SNL). --PeanutCheeseBar 20:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
    • My point is that if Ito has a page Sheidlin should too, if you don't want Sheidlin to have one than Ito shouldn't either. You say that they have no distinction over other judges besides presiding over a particular high profile case...well isn't that enough distinction? Isn't that what makes them household names? Famous or infamous they are still famous. There are pages for far less noteworthy, spend your time getting those deleted and I won't be as frustrated with this topic.--69.209.158.39 21:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• When considering whether to delete an article about someone, I think you have to ask "How many people may want to look up info about the person on Wikipedia?" Right now, for Judge Seidlin, the answer is "a lot". I vote to keep it. --JHP 06:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)