Talk:Larry H. Miller

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Contents 1 Notability 2 Revert war 3 Brokeback Mountain 4 Removed trivia item

[edit] Notability

Wow, car dealership owners now merit a wiki page.

Miller is more than a car dealership owner, he owns an NBA team, and is a local community leader. [[User:JonMoore|— —JonMoore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 18:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

He also owns a AAA-level baseball team and a television station that covers six states. Chadbryant 21:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I would never refer to Mr Miller as a "community leader". Prominent Businessman fits better. He is not a politician, clergy man, or etc. The ignorance he showed when pulling Brokeback Mountain from his theater, and requesting that UPN show less "Urban" programming shows that he should not be regarded as a leader. (Hypernick1980 10:25, 10 January 2006 (UTC))

I wouldn't call that ignorance, I would call that having an opinion. You obviously have an opinion; he has an opinion. Let's avoid personal attacks. --TrustTruth 23:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revert war

In regards to the revert war here: It's a damned indefinite article. I reverted it to Chad's original. If I need to, I WILL protect this page. Please don't make me, as this is a ludicrous reason to do so. If it SOUNDS like a vowel, use "an", if it SOUNDS like a consonant, use "a". Jon 23:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Brokeback Mountain

Communty leader than obviously has fear of gay people. His choice to snub the movie Brokeback Mountain shows a lack of tollerance or understanding. This type of person re-defines what is wrong with this country.

Actually, his actions only show that he did not want that movie in his theaters. They do not show a lack of tolerance or understanding -- you're simply assuming that. If anything, they definitely show that he has an opinion. And being able to express one's opinion actually exemplifies what is right with this country. --TrustTruth 23:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

So, please inform us what this opinion might be, if it's not an intolerant one. If I ran a book store promoting the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, it would be common sense to connect the dots and conclude what my opinion about judaism is. To turn a blind eye to these types of actions is ignorant. This is America, and nobody is forced to be tolerant, but don't expect the rest of the world not to call a spade a spade. -Quasipalm 14:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I can't speak for him. But from an objective point of view, I'm sure he employs gays at his businesses. I haven't heard of him specifically targeting and firing gays. That shows tolerance. If that's what you want from him, then it looks like you have it. But instead of tolerance, could it be that you are asking for his advocacy of the gay lifestyle?

Let's take your argument comparing his actions to a bookseller promoting The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This comparison does not fly because his actions did not advocate an anti-gay stance, as those who take that book seriously advocate an anti-Semetic stance. Instead his actions prevented the advocacy of a pro-gay stance. That's a striking difference. (By the way, I realize he was not consistent in his actions, i.e. Rent, Grandma's Boy, and Hostel were all showing at the time he pulled Brokeback Mountain. I won't defend his inconsistency.) His actions show he chose not to advocate the gay lifestyle, but that does not make him intolerant. --TrustTruth 16:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

If screening Brokeback Mountain is "advocacy of a pro-gay stance" -- then surly screening Hostel is pro-torture, pro-violence, pro-prostitution, pro-profanity, and pro-drug use advocacy. If he regularly refused to show films that violated his mormon belief system, then I would agree with you. However, out of the thousands of R rated films his theatres have shown, this is the only movie on record that he has dis-allowed. That to me is intolerant. If he refused to screen a Jewish love story because it was advocacy of a pro-zionist view, I'm sure you'd agree. But apparently discrimination against gays is fair game in Utah. -Quasipalm 15:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

You're right: he is inconsistent. And consistency would definitely help his case. To be sure, trying to take a moral stand while running a movie theater is just begging for lots of gray area through which to sort. But I still stand by my argument. His actions regarding Brokeback Mountain do not show intolerance toward gays. Instead, they show that, morally, he draws the line in a different place than many who criticized his actions. If you think about it, most people do draw that moral line somewhere. For example, some people who accept and advocate the gay lifestyle will draw the line when it comes to the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Does that make them intolerant of those who embrace NAMBLA? Are NAMBLA members justified in calling them intolerant? What if they run a movie theater and refuse to show a pro-NAMBLA flick? Are they obligated to show it -- even promote it? These aren't simple questions, so don't affix the "intolerant" label too quickly. --TrustTruth 16:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

It seems nobody can seem to argue against equal rights for gays without bringing up pedophiles, bestiality, etc. There is an unequivocal difference between tolerance for loving consenting adults and predators. No, I'm not tolerant of pedophiles, nor murderers or rapists, etc., etc. That doesn't make me inconsistent, that makes me not an idiot. -Quasipalm 17:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, you just proved my point. No hard feelings please!!! --TrustTruth 18:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

No hard feelings, of course. Thanks for an interesting exchange. -Quasipalm 19:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Just a reminder, everybody: this talk page is for discussion of the article, it's not the place to debate Miller's actions. -- MisterHand 17:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

This actually was a discussion of the article. We were discussing the word tolerance and it's use vis-a-vis Larry Miller. Yeah, maybe it went a little overboard.  ;-) -Quasipalm 19:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed trivia item

I removed the following trivia from the article:

The man who sold Miller his first dealership in 1979 got cold feet and wanted to back out of the deal. Miller pressed the issue with this man's lawyer. The lawyer sided with Miller because the man had already cashed the $10,000 earnest money check. This lawyer's name was Rocky Anderson, who two decades later became mayor of Salt Lake City.

It's a very interesting story, but it needs to be cited. Also, it would be better if it were re-written to be more encyclopedic and less "Paul Harvey". -- MisterHand 13:21, 5 April 2006 (UTC)