Talk:Larry Brown (basketball)

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Shouldn't his pic be replaced by a real version? Bubbachuck 07:30, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

• Yes, most definetely. This is a good drawing, but in an encyclopedia it serves as little more than advertising for the user who created it. Harro5 07:31, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • It is good advertising, didn't think of it that way though. You find a fair-use/public-domain image of Larry Brown to replace it, and then it will make sense to remove it. Till then, let's use the "this is an encyclopedia" argument again: people like to visualize what they're reading about. :D --Tarnas 08:28, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Done. The text gets in the way a bit but it'll do for now. If someone can get a better promo shot or action pic (legally) that'd be great. Bubbachuck 05:39, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
      • Yikes, you think that's better than the illustration? --Tarnas 06:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
        • I don't know if its better but its a real pic...using the encyclopedia argument here, I think a real picture is more appropriate than an illustration. Bubbachuck 19:35, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
• Err, bad argument Bub. Dictionaries and encyclopedias use woodcuts and line drawings all the time (not to mention highly-regarded, high-volume news media: see The Wall Street Journal). There's no policy against using illustrations instead of photos for Wikipedia articles as far as I know, and a badly cropped photograph with random text in it (such as your replacement) is clearly inappropriate when a better alternative exists (such as my picture). Sorry to have to keep pushing my product, but we still need a better fair-use/public-domain photo of Larry Brown for me to let my illustration go unused. --Tarnas 02:05, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
  • I am familiar with the WSJ...I'm sure they use the woodcut illustrations for style, not b/c they don't want to print a real photo. anyway I think you should find someone else to advocate your illustration b/c otherwise there may be conflict of interest since it is your work. i'll leave it as it is, and we'll see what other people think. honestly its not that hard to find a picture...he's a celebrity coach after all. Bubbachuck 03:20, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
    • The WSJ example doesn't really matter, my encyclopedia/dictionary point stands. And it is hard to find a picture: fair use doesn't cover ESPN or the majority of other sports news photographs (sadly :( ). And who's to say those photographs aren't just as much artistic advertising, if we could use them legitamately, given that a photographer did capture them and needs to be credited, and given that they represent a part of that artist's portfolio. I don't see what the problem with my image is until a real replacement is found: I made it specifically for Wikipedia, to circumvent the arduous search for a usable photo, and I gave up the copyright to it. At least one other person doesn't have a problem with the idea: see my user talk. --Tarnas 04:30, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
      • • OK, i'll accept that argument. i commend you on your hard work to improve Wikipedia, really. hopefully someone who attends a game will be close enough to get a shot of Larry Brown one day and then we'll replace it. Bubbachuck 04:42, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
          • That would be ideal, I wish I had taken a picture of him at one of the few games I'd been to, rather than have to draw one, but I didn't think of it at the time. --Tarnas 07:16, 25 July 2005 (UTC)