Talk:Landsraad

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[edit] Structure sections

There are some details here of unknown origin; obviously anything from The Dune Encyclopedia should come out. TAnthony 18:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I've re-tagged this section specifically, and will look in the Encyclopedia when I can ... TAnthony 05:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Upon further research, as far as I can tell, the entire structure section is from the Encyclopedia. I've designated it as such in its own section; anything found to be from the books can be pulled out into the main part of the article as long as it's referenced. TAnthony 01:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of the name

I'm Dutch, and I think the Dutch translation (if any) for landsraad would actually be landsraad, and not landraad. I have always thought of it as a Dutch term. It means something along the lines of State Council. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.126.254.66 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 19 March 2005.

It seems to come from "land se raad" which means "the counsel of the land", or "the counsel belonging to the land". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bertus (talk • contribs) 19:18, 3 April 2005.
which book does the "structure" section come from? 218.102.71.16 06:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Landsraad is more esteticaly pleasing and probably more correct, since it is the counsel of the land (hence the "s", indicating a possesive) and not a councel about the ground/soil (which would be without "s"). See "stadswacht" (city guard) for example. Landmacht (army) and Landmeting (land measurement) are not written with an s, because "land" is used as a property (meaning soil/ground in this case) and not in the meaning of "Nation".
However, the word as such, either written with an s or without, is not an official word of the Dutch language according to "het groene boekje" (The green booklet) and De Vandale dictionary, both authorative on the Dutch language. There is just one rule when it comes to writing an s between two concatenated words, which dictates that you write an s when you hear one when prouncing the word. Both landraad and landsraad sound OK though, so it is very difficult, if not impossible, to proclaim that one spelling is the correct one.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.51.112.88 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 16 February 2006.

[edit] My view on the origins of the name

It is true as it says in the article. It comes from the danish word landsraad which is also the exact spelling if you dont use the unique "å" which is always spelled as "aa" if not available. Historically all nordic languages were refered to as "the danish tongue" Including swedish, norwegian, icelandic etc. Lookup the name as "landsraad" on google and see if you get dutch or danish results. Danish results would have a ".dk" instead of .com.

It's true that many of the germanic languages are similar but the dutch language is not the inspiration for the council in this case. I may note that my fathers family is dutch and came to denmark 500 years ago, so my view is not so cluttered in favor of it being danish or dutch. I just want the truth to be told.

It seems to me that the inspiration may come from the old viking councils that are also called landsting. The mordern version is landsraad so in that regard a novel about the future would have to use the modern term also but probably refering to ancient history still. It is also very likely that the danish invasions of england and as a result the impact on the english language and history could have played a role in the inspiration for this name.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.103.152.67 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 26 May 2006.

The danish language has changed in modern time and definitly after the book was written. The scandinavian letter "å" was earlier spelled "aa" in danish. The danish town Ålborg was earlier spelled Aalborg and Landsråd was earlier spelled Landsraad. The use of "aa" instead of "å" is very common even today when a scandinavian word with "å" is written in english or in another language that is not scandinavian. In other words "aa" is frequently used instead of "å" in an international context.

[edit] Ordos and other Houses

Question: In the House Ordos Wikipedia article Ordos is listed as a member of the Landsraad. Shouldn't House Ordos be listed as one of the members of the Landsraad. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.158.50.231 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 10 November 2006.

House Ordos appears in the non-canon Dune Encyclopedia and is a major House in the video games, but is never mentioned in any of the books by Frank Herbert or Brian Herbert/Kevin J. Anderson. So it really shouldn't be named in the list. There are other Houses listed here I don't recognize, they may be inappropriately included as well: House Alexin, House Evintine, House Maros, House Mikarrol and House Novebruns. TAnthony 18:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't recognize the following Houses and I don't think they're in the Encyclopedia either; a text file search of the original series and Prelude to Dune series comes up with nothing (I did find Novebruns, however). I've taken the names out of the article pending someone identifying a source. TAnthony 03:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
  • House Alexin
  • House Evintine
  • House Maros
  • House Mikarrol

[edit] Houses Minor

Are there any names given of some of them? If so, I suggest they be listed in their own section. Even though they are really no significant, they are still part of the Landsraad. If none are listed, a belive there should at least be a paragraph about them.--68.192.188.142 01:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I've split out Houses I consider Minor, perhaps others can weigh in on the status of Houses like Ecaz and Moritani? TAnthony 03:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] League of Nobles redirects to Legends of Dune

In adding the Origins section I was reminded that the League of Nobles redirects to the Legends of Dune page. I think this is the correct way to do it in a canon sense, as the Landsraad itself is a Frank Herbert creation and the League is a Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson one. Obviously, the Legends books are canon but with all the "controversy" it's best to make the distinction. I wanted to put my "vote" in now in case anyone has the idea to change it later.TAnthony 01:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origins & Dune Encyclopedia sections

There's a problem with the way these are currently written:

The 2,000 year history of the Landsraad prior to the events leading up to the C.E.T. is established in the appendix on Dune religion:

Historians estimate the riots took eighty million lives. That works out to about six thousand for each world then in the Landsraad League.
The major dams against anarchy in these times were the embryo Guild, the Bene Gesserit and the Landsraad, which continued its 2,000-year record of meeting in spite of the severest obstacles.

Mentioning this first in the DE section places it under the gloom of non-canonicity which, in my opinion, is wrong. --SandChigger 05:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I had a few minutes, and moved the 2000-year item out of the DE section, good catch! TAnthony 00:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CHOAM error

The article states that power of the Empire was shared between the Emperor, Landsraad, Spacing Guild and CHOAM. Infact CHOAM itself was owned by the three other powers (and the Bene Gesserit) so to say that CHOAM was a separate power is wrong, it was only a medium. Narco404 13:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

You are correct, I made a fix ... TAnthony 16:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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