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[edit] This page is for Lancaster CITY, not Lancaster COUNTY!
There is some confusion on this page, with much information relevant to Lancaster COUNTY, and not the CITY.
Dan Kreider, Dick Winter, Jim Furyk and Brad Rutter were NOT Lancaster residents. I'm pretty certain Tom Herr never lived in Lancaster, but I left it untouched pending verification.
- I am probably about to reignite this debate, but I'm going to remove Floyd Landis from the Notable Residents section as he is definitely not from Lancaster nor any of its general "greater Lancaster" areas. It may be advisable that we define what exactly falls within the City of Lancaster: are we going to go by its political boundary or by areas refering to themselves as a part of this "greater Lancaster"? My own opinion is that Lancaster City is Lancaster and the nearby towns -- however small they are -- are not a part this article. Rather, if notable residents come from those areas, their names should be listed either on the respective town's articles or within a section on the County's article. --Thisisbossi 20:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dear 63.173.203.140.
(Can I call you 63 for short?)
"Lancaster County" is indeed "Lancaster County", no two ways about it. There are many Lancaster Pennsylvania, though. Dutch Wonderland lies in the Lancaster retail trade zone. Conestoga Valley High School lies in the Lancaster Post Office service area. If you sign up for dialup internet in Lancaster, you'll probably find that your best local node is a Millersburg exchange. Advertisers look at Lancaster as the area where the Intel and New Era are the dominant newspapers.
I wasn't the one that reverted your edits. I will suggest, though, that you might want to learn about the Wikipedia community the same way you learn about USENET - by taking a good look before you dive in head first.
Although I disagree with your edits, I will concede that you have a point, in that irrelevant content hurts Wikipedia. The question here is whether it's really irrelevant.
If and when you think about contributing to a Wiki again, I will make a few suggestions:
- Additions are much less controversial than deletions. If you delete something, you KNOW that someone else disagrees with you, because they went to the work of adding it in the first place. Additions don't automatically have anyone disagreeing with you.
- You really want to sign your work. I know you think 63 is a really catchy name, but all it says about you is that you're from Mansfield, Ohio. An hour from now, you might be 63.173.200.128 or 63.173.207.14. My grandmother used to sign her paint-by-numbers. If you aren't willing to sign your work, the quick assumption is that you're a vandal.
- You can build a reputation. Everybody that has an account builds a history. They can take a look at the other edits you've made, and look at whether your edits are quickly amended or if they stand up to scrutiny. If you change "The sun rises in the East" to "The sun rises in the general direction of east, moving slightly from day to day over the course of the year", and you don't post references, people are likely to think a newbie is perhaps pulling a joke. If the post is made by someone who has made 4000 edits in the last 90 days, and a random selection shows that the edits tend to survive, people are likely to think that perhaps you've stated something as fundamental as "water is wet" which everybody should know, and which doesn't require 35 pages agreeing with the claim as verification.
And if you are, indeed, gone for good, I wish you well. Collaborative writing isn't for everybody. May you find more satisfaction in your next endeavor. ClairSamoht 03:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Change in nickname, Red Rose City
Lancaster is called the Red Rose City more than sometimes. There was no point in changing it to say "sometimes called the Red Rose City." That is why the buses have Red Rose Transit Authority on them, and the seal of the city has a red rose emblem.
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* 2 Scope
* 3 Parentage
* 4 Descendant WikiProjects
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* 10 State templates
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* 13 Body of article
o 13.1 Geography
o 13.2 History
o 13.3 Demographics
o 13.4 Economy
o 13.5 Transportation
o 13.6 Law and government
o 13.7 Important cities and towns
o 13.8 Education
+ 13.8.1 Colleges and universities
o 13.9 Professional sports teams
o 13.10 Miscellaneous topics
o 13.11 See also
o 13.12 References
o 13.13 External links
[edit] Football teams in Lancaster?
Lancaster Lightning. Pro football? I mean, does this ring a bell with anyone? I was looking through random websites awhile back and I found a website for the Lancaster Lightning, and then a few days ago I noticed some banner advertising the team, saying that they were going to play at the stadium or something. Is this team really a real team, or have I really gone off the deep end? --Lequis 04:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)nz
- They are a semi-pro team, and from what I know, they have pretty much played their "home games" mainly at Pequea Valley High Schools football field, or McCaskey High Schools football field.PYLrulz 13:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] To The Moderators: Watt & Shand building IS being demolished
The Watt & Shand building is indeed currently being demolished. The proof is right here:
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/27889
"Fair Use" quote from the above newspaper article: "The Watt & Shand building is coming down, and the cost of its replacement on Penn Square — a hotel and convention center — has gone up."
Another "Fair Use" quote from the same newspaper article: "Meanwhile, demolition crews from Reading-based Empire Wrecking have been pulling away the back of the former Watt & Shand department store by day."
Further evidence is in the photograph accompanying the above newspaper article:
http://local.lancasteronline.com/5/demolition5
http://images.lancasteronline.com/local/demolition5_ful.jpg
Note that this newspaper article will expire from public view on November 30, 2006. It is free for anyone to view until that date.
No vandalism was intended. The Watt & Shand building is indeed being demolished. The above newspaper article and photograph prove it.
Posted 16 November 2006
[edit] UPDATED December 31, 2006
I see that someone uncredited has removed the photograph of the former Watt & Shand building, and replaced it with a generic skyline shot. The tragedy is that this change was unavoidably necessary. The hollow shell of the Watt & Shand facade, supported by ugly gray scaffolding, has become a major source of shame for Lancaster - especially considering the way it was done, without accountability to the taxpayers who are forced to pay for it.
My thanks to whoever was kind enough to replace that picture, it was too much of a reminder of yet another part of Lancaster's history that has been lost forever.
Rdcarney 00:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The 1980 (1960) Redevelopment Plan
I removed the following because it seemed like the start of something interesting, but stopped at a single introductory sentence. In 1960 the city of Lancaster began a redevelopment/modernization plan that was supposed to be a 20-year long project that was to be completed by the year of 1980. I encourage anyone with knowledge of the subject to expand on this and add it back in. --Thisisbossi 16:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- The "1980" plan was a nearly complete failure. Although substandard housing was removed, and most of the rest of the City brought up to code, thousands of people were permanently displaced, and much of the once-thriving and formerly historic downtown area is now a concrete wasteland where few people are seen. My recommendation is that this failed plan not be mentioned here.
- For an in-depth look at what really happened, I recommend a well-researched book written by an F&M professor: "A City Transformed 1940 - 1980", by David Schuyler.
- --Rdcarney 00:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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- That is exactly the sort of reasoning that I believe it should be in the article. It's a facet of Lancaster's history that has apparently helped to shape what it is today; and redevelopment and urban renewal are topics that will only become more prevalent as time continues on. Thank you for the book tip -- I will be sure to check it out sometime. --Thisisbossi 01:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Amish don't live in Lancaster CITY
The first line underneath "Economy" states "Lancaster suffers from high unemployment, especially in the southeastern quadrant, in part of Amish residents as many are unlicensed farmers". The southeast quadrant ("The Ward") is overwhelmingly minority, but NO Amish live within the Lancaster City limits (and there are DEFINITELY no working farms within the city limits). I haven't edited this, I don't know why that statement was put there in the first place.
Rdcarney 21:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Overwhelmingly minority? Not only is that any oxymoron, but shows racial prejudice. All you had to say is that the southeast quadrant is MAJORITY black or hispanic. Whites are the minority in this quadrant. The definition of minority is not hispanic, black, Asian, etc. Whites can be a minority, too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KnoxSGT (talk • contribs) 23:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
